stiwrc2001 | 8 Jun 12:08 2005
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Running BNR2 under Windows XP

Just wondering if any one experienced any problems with running Bnr2 
in Windows XP Pro?

About once a month I have to reload BNR2 in WindowsXP because the 
program locks databases or decides to place blank records into a 
newgroup.  I am only connecting to 1 news server.

Any have ideas on how to fix this. Getting pretty p**s*d off with BNR2.

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Evzen Polenka | 8 Jun 13:56 2005
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Re: Running BNR2 under Windows XP

stiwrc2001 wrote:

> About once a month I have to reload BNR2 in WindowsXP because the 
> program locks databases or decides to place blank records into a 
> newgroup.

It's "normal" with BNR2...
If you want more stable database, go for BNR3. But be prepared for much 
slower performance.

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Not saying | 8 Jun 17:34 2005
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Re: Running BNR2 under Windows XP

> > About once a month I have to reload BNR2 in WindowsXP because the 
> > program locks databases or decides to place blank records into a 
> > newgroup.
> 
> It's "normal" with BNR2...
> If you want more stable database, go for BNR3. But be prepared for 
much 
> slower performance.
> 
> -- 
It's not normal and something is amiss.  I run BNR2 0.14.6.447 with XP 
Pro and haven't had database problems for the last 4 months.  Prior to 
that I used to have database problems when I was retrieving headers 
using 2 servers.  My suspicion was that the secondary server was 
corrupting the database and that BNR2 wasn't detecting it.  Since my 
switch to using 1 server everything has been fine.  I only use 1 
connection and update 1 group at a time when retrieving headers.  If 
you have access to another server I'd recommend you try another server 
for updating headers and see if that fixes your problem.

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Terry May | 8 Jun 17:43 2005
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Re: Running BNR2 under Windows XP

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:34:12 -0000, Not saying wrote:

> It's not normal and something is amiss.  I run BNR2 0.14.6.447 with XP 
> Pro and haven't had database problems for the last 4 months.  Prior to 
> that I used to have database problems when I was retrieving headers 
> using 2 servers.  My suspicion was that the secondary server was 
> corrupting the database and that BNR2 wasn't detecting it.

How does a server corrupt your database?  All a server can do is provide
information.  It's up to the client to decide what to do with that
information.  It's impossible for a server to write directly to your
database.
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Evzen Polenka | 8 Jun 17:42 2005
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Re: Running BNR2 under Windows XP

Not saying wrote:

> It's not normal and something is amiss.

Of course it HEAVILY depends on how EXACTLY is BNR used. It has been 
discussed many times before.
I'm afraid that saying "I'm using 1 server only" is simply not enough to 
identify what the cause is.

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Valis Keogh | 8 Jun 17:52 2005

RE: Running BNR2 under Windows XP

you haven't been watching this group very long have you?
-----Original Message-----
From: bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Terry May
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:44 AM
To: bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BNR] Running BNR2 under Windows XP

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:34:12 -0000, Not saying wrote:

> It's not normal and something is amiss.  I run BNR2 0.14.6.447 with XP
> Pro and haven't had database problems for the last 4 months.  Prior to
> that I used to have database problems when I was retrieving headers
> using 2 servers.  My suspicion was that the secondary server was
> corrupting the database and that BNR2 wasn't detecting it.

How does a server corrupt your database?  All a server can do is provide
information.  It's up to the client to decide what to do with that
information.  It's impossible for a server to write directly to your
database.
--
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hanger while I was still in the womb?"

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Stormblade | 8 Jun 17:54 2005
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Re: Running BNR2 under Windows XP


On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:34:12 -0000, Not saying wrote:
>>> About once a month I have to reload BNR2 in WindowsXP because
>>> the program locks databases or decides to place blank records
>>> into a newgroup.
>>>
>>
>> It's "normal" with BNR2...
>> If you want more stable database, go for BNR3. But be prepared for
>>
> much
>> slower performance.
>>
>> --
> It's not normal and something is amiss.  I run BNR2 0.14.6.447 with
> XP Pro and haven't had database problems for the last 4 months.
> Prior to that I used to have database problems when I was
> retrieving headers using 2 servers.  My suspicion was that the
> secondary server was corrupting the database and that BNR2 wasn't
> detecting it.  Since my switch to using 1 server everything has
> been fine.  I only use 1 connection and update 1 group at a time
> when retrieving headers.  If you have access to another server I'd
> recommend you try another server for updating headers and see if
> that fixes your problem.

Actually yes it is normal...for BNR2. The fact that you have found a way to gain a bit more stability does not
negate the fact that these problems are "normal" for BNR2. In fact one of the major reasons for BNR3 was to
switch databases for more stability. The way you use BNR2 is fine but it's not the norm. You run with only 1
server you say. Well BNR2 was made for multi server capabilities. That's one of the big advantages it has
over apps like Agent which currently support only 1 server.

And as for me, I was able to run BNR2 for many months before something would happen and the database would need
to be deleted. With BNR3 the only time I had that happen was my own fault. I turned off certain safety
features for speed and my APC Battery Backup was off to the shop and I had a crash. Other than that I have had
BNR3 running without a problem.

One reason for the difference in length of time is of course how each person uses it. For example, someone who
runs with 5 servers and subscribed to 20 newsgroups, most of which are large ones, well that person will
probably seen the corruption sooner than someone with 1 server and 1 small newsgroup. Someone posted once
that basically the corruption is there and happening but is not really noticeable at first.
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Terry May | 8 Jun 18:23 2005
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Re: Running BNR2 under Windows XP

I *created* this group.  I've been "watching" it even longer than Patrick
Aalto.

Of course, none of that has anything to do with the fact that a server
cannot write directly to your database.

On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:52:18 -0500, Valis Keogh wrote:

> you haven't been watching this group very long have you?
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Terry
> May
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:44 AM
>   To: bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [BNR] Running BNR2 under Windows XP
> 
>   On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:34:12 -0000, Not saying wrote:
> 
>   > It's not normal and something is amiss.  I run BNR2 0.14.6.447 with XP
>   > Pro and haven't had database problems for the last 4 months.  Prior to
>   > that I used to have database problems when I was retrieving headers
>   > using 2 servers.  My suspicion was that the secondary server was
>   > corrupting the database and that BNR2 wasn't detecting it.
> 
>   How does a server corrupt your database?  All a server can do is provide
>   information.  It's up to the client to decide what to do with that
>   information.  It's impossible for a server to write directly to your
>   database.

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Stormblade | 8 Jun 18:27 2005
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Re: Running BNR2 under Windows XP

On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:23:53 -0700, Terry May wrote:
>I *created* this group. I've been "watching" it even longer than
>Patrick Aalto.

Woot you tell em.

>
>Of course, none of that has anything to do with the fact that a
>server cannot write directly to your database.

SQLServer can. LoL. Yeah Yeah I know you meant usenet servers but I just couldn't resist. Hmm. Blame it on
lack of food. Gonna go eat now.

>
>On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:52:18 -0500, Valis Keogh wrote:
>
>>you haven't been watching this group very long have you? -----
>>Original Message-----
>>From: bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
>>Of Terry May Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:44 AM To:
>>bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BNR] Running BNR2 under
>>Windows XP
>>
>>On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:34:12 -0000, Not saying wrote:
>>
>>>It's not normal and something is amiss. I run BNR2 0.14.6.447
>>>with XP Pro and haven't had database problems for the last 4
>>>months. Prior to that I used to have database problems when I
>>>was retrieving headers using 2 servers. My suspicion was that
>>>the secondary server was corrupting the database and that BNR2
>>>wasn't detecting it.
>>>
>>
>>How does a server corrupt your database? All a server can do is
>>provide information. It's up to the client to decide what to do
>>with that information. It's impossible for a server to write
>>directly to your database.
>>
>
>--
>"When I was born, the doctor came out to the waiting room and said
>to my father... 'I'm very sorry.....we did everything we
>could.....but he pulled through.'" - Rodney Dangerfield
>
>Now playing: the radio.
>
>
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>
>
>

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Valis Keogh | 8 Jun 18:33 2005

RE: Running BNR2 under Windows XP

*created*
and
*watched*
are two very different things.
 
of course the SERVER doesn't randomly dial up your computer and start writing to your databases, bnr is beta, parts of it are problematic, the problems are intermittent, bnr corrupts the database from time to time, yadda yadda yadda
-----Original Message-----
From: bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Terry May
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:24 AM
To: bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BNR] Running BNR2 under Windows XP

I *created* this group.  I've been "watching" it even longer than Patrick
Aalto.

Of course, none of that has anything to do with the fact that a server
cannot write directly to your database.

On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:52:18 -0500, Valis Keogh wrote:

> you haven't been watching this group very long have you?
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Terry
> May
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:44 AM
>   To: bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [BNR] Running BNR2 under Windows XP
>
>   On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:34:12 -0000, Not saying wrote:
>
>   > It's not normal and something is amiss.  I run BNR2 0.14.6.447 with XP
>   > Pro and haven't had database problems for the last 4 months.  Prior to
>   > that I used to have database problems when I was retrieving headers
>   > using 2 servers.  My suspicion was that the secondary server was
>   > corrupting the database and that BNR2 wasn't detecting it.
>
>   How does a server corrupt your database?  All a server can do is provide
>   information.  It's up to the client to decide what to do with that
>   information.  It's impossible for a server to write directly to your
>   database.

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