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davexnet01 | 1 Feb 2005 21:00
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Something to avoid (causes a hang)


I tried the following in bnr3:

Some headers were downloading.  Navigated to the newsgroups tab,
seleced a group and hit "subscribe"

Immediate hang.  Apologies it it's already old news.
Dave

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Dave Warren | 1 Feb 2005 21:15

Re: Something to avoid (causes a hang)


> I tried the following in bnr3:
> 
> Some headers were downloading.  Navigated to the newsgroups tab,
> seleced a group and hit "subscribe"
> 
> Immediate hang.  Apologies it it's already old news.
> Dave

I noticed that a couple times, but it's not consistent here.

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davexnet01 | 1 Feb 2005 21:49
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Re: Something to avoid (causes a hang)


--- In bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com, "Dave Warren" <dave.warren <at> d...> wrote:
> > I tried the following in bnr3:
> > 
> > Some headers were downloading.  Navigated to the newsgroups tab,
> > seleced a group and hit "subscribe"
> > 
> > Immediate hang.  Apologies it it's already old news.
> > Dave
> 
> I noticed that a couple times, but it's not consistent here.
> 
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Well I've only done it twice.  Perhaps this time I'll remember and
wont repeat it!  I checked the task manager, and it seemed like a true
hang.  There was no I/O or cpu usage.  Lights on modem stopped blinkng.

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oopman2002 | 1 Feb 2005 21:59
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Re: Something to avoid (causes a hang)


I've always thought that you should do NOTHING until the headers are 
downloaded. I guess that possibly adding new groups may get BNR 
confused as it is trying to handle the headers.

--- In bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com, "davexnet01" <davexnet01 <at> y...> wrote:
> 
> I tried the following in bnr3:
> 
> Some headers were downloading.  Navigated to the newsgroups tab,
> seleced a group and hit "subscribe"
> 
> Immediate hang.  Apologies it it's already old news.
> Dave

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davexnet01 | 2 Feb 2005 01:16
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Re: Something to avoid (causes a hang)


--- In bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com, "oopman2002" <oopman2002 <at> y...> wrote:
> 
> I've always thought that you should do NOTHING until the headers are 
> downloaded. I guess that possibly adding new groups may get BNR 
> confused as it is trying to handle the headers.
> 
> --- In bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com, "davexnet01" <davexnet01 <at> y...> wrote:
> > 
> > I tried the following in bnr3:
> > 
> > Some headers were downloading.  Navigated to the newsgroups tab,
> > seleced a group and hit "subscribe"
> > 
> > Immediate hang.  Apologies it it's already old news.
> > Dave
It's easy to do in a state of absentmindedness.  The point is if the
architecture doesn't support it, the UI should not let you do it.
I suppose if this product ever gets out of Beta, these issues will
be taken care of.
Dave

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frovingslosh | 2 Feb 2005 01:25
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Re: Something to avoid (causes a hang)


--- In bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com, "davexnet01" <davexnet01 <at> y...> wrote:

> I tried the following in bnr3:
> 
> Some headers were downloading.  Navigated to the newsgroups tab,
> seleced a group and hit "subscribe"

Hangs will happen in bnr2, randomly, if you manually do anything that
makes a change to the database, most obviously marking files for
download or even unmarking ones that were already marked, or marking a
group of headers as "read". It seems to be OK to open a group and
look, but not to touch. Not hard to accept that subscribe also causes
this, but it's the first report I've seen of it. Also it is
interesting to note that this is happening with BNR3 and not just
BNR2. Maybe these differences will help point Jeff in a direction to
look for this long existing hang, and maybe even to a cause for
database corruption.

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davexnet01 | 2 Feb 2005 01:28
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higher priotity server offline - target ANY- article just sits there


Hello,
Maybe this is the way it works - higher priority article server 
temporarily unavailable and as such disconnected.  The lower pr. article
server is active.

When articles are selected, they're on the queue with a target of any.
But nothing downloads until I set the target specifically to the
lower priority server.  Is this WOA?
regards,
Dave
PS I do have "allow downloading from lower priority servers"
checked in options/downloads

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frovingslosh | 2 Feb 2005 01:31
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Re: Something to avoid (causes a hang)


--- In bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com, "davexnet01" <davexnet01 <at> y...> wrote:

> It's easy to do in a state of absentmindedness.  The point is if the
> architecture doesn't support it, the UI should not let you do it....

Yea, it's easy to do, and it's worse than just absentmindedness. The
program has features in it to autorefresh a group after certain
amounts of time have passed too, and I've had these auto-refresh
cycles trigger just as I was marking a group as read (with the hang
being the result). As a result I've had to stop using this useful
feature because I could not be sure, even if I was paying attention to
what was going on in the connection boxes at the bottom of the
display, that a header refresh might not start and hang my system.

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Carsten Laekamp | 2 Feb 2005 03:45

Re: higher priotity server offline - target ANY- article just sits there


davexnet01 wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Maybe this is the way it works - higher priority article server 
> temporarily unavailable and as such disconnected.  The lower pr. article
> server is active.
> 
> When articles are selected, they're on the queue with a target of any.
> But nothing downloads until I set the target specifically to the
> lower priority server.  Is this WOA?
> regards,
> Dave
> PS I do have "allow downloading from lower priority servers"
> checked in options/downloads

Same here, and it's been that way for several versions of BNR2.

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Dave Warren | 2 Feb 2005 04:13

Re: higher priotity server offline - target ANY- article just sits there


It seems to depend why it's offline.  If it's yellow or red then it BNR
moves on to lower priority servers, but if it's manually disconnect then
BNR waits.

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-----Original Message-----
From: "davexnet01" <davexnet01 <at> yahoo.com>
To: bnr1 <at> yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:28:43 -0000
Subject: [BNR] higher priotity server offline - target ANY- article just
sits there

> 
> 
> Hello,
> Maybe this is the way it works - higher priority article server 
> temporarily unavailable and as such disconnected.  The lower pr.
> article
> server is active.
> 
> When articles are selected, they're on the queue with a target of any.
> But nothing downloads until I set the target specifically to the
> lower priority server.  Is this WOA?
> regards,
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