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Adam Warner | 1 Jan 2001 01:25
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Question aimed at Telecom (will there be any home-office ADSL packages?)

Hi all,

We're all aware that Telecom will almost certainly be offering a cut-down
version of flat-rate DSL for homes this year. I wonder if their upcoming
services will be applicable to home businesses as well (e.g. something
comparable to a second line for home offices at a residential rate)?

In essence this is all going to come down to how restrictive Telecom makes
its terms and conditions. If they say that you can't host a web site,
conduct any commercial business using the connection, etc. then I guess many
subscribers to this mailing list might find such terms and conditions too
restrictive.

So if someone at Telecom is monitoring this mailing list, all I'm hoping is
that Telecom will also be considering and revising their home-office DSL
solutions as well.

Regards,
Adam

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Geoff Cant | 1 Jan 2001 11:45

Re: Question aimed at Telecom (will there be any home-office ADSL packages?)

Jetstart: this is (heavy emphasis) _not_ available for businesses at all in
any way. (Isp information says that you do not install it on a business
line)

However, some similar service aimed at businesses will probably be announced
a few months after jetstart, possibly after they assess this service.

I have no idea how they define business as it pertains to jetstart other
than how they distinguish residential/business lines at the moment. There is
no restriction on what you can do with your jetstart (other than Telecom's
normal restrictions). I think the main distinction between the
residential/business jetstart will be whether or not you are allowed a
static ip. (bring on the gre tunnels)

I suppose the above doesn't really help you, but this is all the information
that has been released to isp's (that I'm aware of :)

-geoff/Nem

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> Hi all,
>
> We're all aware that Telecom will almost certainly be offering a cut-down
> version of flat-rate DSL for homes this year. I wonder if their upcoming
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Dr David Hingston | 1 Jan 2001 22:45
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GRE Tunnels

I think the main distinction between the
| residential/business jetstart will be whether or not you are allowed a
| static ip. (bring on the gre tunnels)

Does anyone have some pointers on gre tunnels???  URL's, what they are, how to do etc??

David Hingston MB ChB MBA
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Adam Warner | 2 Jan 2001 00:54
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RE: Question aimed at Telecom (will there be any home-office ADSL packages?)

Thanks Geoff,

Then I suppose Jetstart will contain this clause:

"You must not run servers, use Static IP addresses or provide any public
information service from a computer connected via this plan."

(Taken from the Xtra Terms and Conditions and Pricing Plans).

So this would make it completely unsuitable for anybody even wanting to play
around and try and host a low-end web site. Or anyone would break the terms
and conditions by installing any file sharing service.

Well thanks Geoff. Even though Jetstart will be symmetric DSL it sure looks
like your rights won't even be close to symmetric.

Regards,
Adam

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Jetstart: this is (heavy emphasis) _not_ available for businesses at all in
any way. (Isp information says that you do not install it on a business
line)
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Geoff Cant | 2 Jan 2001 00:47

Question aimed at Telecom (will there be any home-office ADSL packages?)

I don't think that the Xtra terms and conditions apply - they certainly do
not apply to me as I never agreed to them. I agreed to Telecom's and
InspireNet's :) terms and conditions which make no mention of servers or
services.

-geoff/Nem (my jetstart is still fullrate :)

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Warner" <adamw <at> ihug.co.nz>
> To: "Adsl MailingList" <adsl <at> unixathome.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:54 PM
> Subject: RE: Question aimed at Telecom (will there be any home-office ADSL
> packages?)
>
>
> > Thanks Geoff,
> >
> > Then I suppose Jetstart will contain this clause:
> >
> > "You must not run servers, use Static IP addresses or provide any public
> > information service from a computer connected via this plan."
> >
> > (Taken from the Xtra Terms and Conditions and Pricing Plans).
> >
> > So this would make it completely unsuitable for anybody even wanting to
> play
> > around and try and host a low-end web site. Or anyone would break the
> terms
> > and conditions by installing any file sharing service.
> >
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Geoff Cant | 2 Jan 2001 00:50

Re: GRE Tunnels

Try the linux advanced networking howto:
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO.html

or Cisco: www.cisco.com (as they created it in the first place).

-geoff/Nem

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Subject: GRE Tunnels

> I think the main distinction between the
> | residential/business jetstart will be whether or not you are allowed a
> | static ip. (bring on the gre tunnels)
>
> Does anyone have some pointers on gre tunnels???  URL's, what they are,
how to do etc??

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Adam Warner | 2 Jan 2001 02:34
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Re: Question aimed at Telecom (will there be any home-office ADSL packages?)

Geoff said:

"I don't think that the Xtra terms and conditions apply - they certainly do
not apply to me as I never agreed to them. I agreed to Telecom's and
InspireNet's :) terms and conditions which make no mention of servers or
services."

That's great news Geoff. As you stated before "(Isp information says that
you do not install it on a business line)"

Well that should be fine for all residential users and/or home businesses.

I say this because I have just checked out Telecom's Jetstream page. They
have this plan:

"JetStream packages

Residential & Home Business Plans

Here is a great plan for your residential or home business use. This plan is
only available on residential lines."

So with this plan Telecom is specifically recognising that home business use
of JetStream is allowed on residential lines.

Or are you saying that to the best of your knowledge JetStart will be even
more restrictive than this?

Regards,
Adam
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Nicholas Lee | 3 Jan 2001 08:57
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Re: PPPoSSH Problems


> Ya it seems that the ssh session is freezing, however I don't think it is
> due to inactivity because the VPN is used by about 10 clients connecting
to
> our Terminal server, and it disconnects them from active sessions every
> time.  Even file transfers accross the link can be disconnected by it.

I'm seeing something similar with my MW1122.  ssh terminal sessions (ie.
ssh -t volcano mutt) hang after a certain period of inactivity.

I just put it down to my flaky DSL connection, since it happen previously
with my M10.  I guess that its the MW1122, which is crazy crap.

Nicholas

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Nicholas Lee | 3 Jan 2001 09:00
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Re: Question aimed at Telecom (will there be any home-office ADSL packages?)


> So this would make it completely unsuitable for anybody even wanting to
play
> around and try and host a low-end web site. Or anyone would break the
terms
> and conditions by installing any file sharing service.

Damn, better not tell Telecom about Windows.  Especially people with
internal modems. ;)

Nicholas

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Don Stokes | 3 Jan 2001 13:01
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Re: PPPoSSH Problems


"Nicholas Lee" <nj.lee <at> plumtree.co.nz> wrote:
>I'm seeing something similar with my MW1122.  ssh terminal sessions (ie.
>ssh -t volcano mutt) hang after a certain period of inactivity.

Sounds like the inactivity timer on the NAT is getting you -- don't know
about the specifics for the MW1122, but pretty much all NAT
implementations I've run across mop up NAT entries after a period of
inactivity; for TCP, this usually defaults to an hour.

There is such a thing as TCP keepalives, that most TCP stacks implement. 
Unfortunately, these usually trigger at two hour intervals.  I usually
set the TCP NAT timeout, if I can, to three hours -- that way, the
keepalives will keep the NAT entry for long term TCP sessions alive,
while still letting the NAT mop up stale entries.

If there isn't a way to control the TCP timeout (I can't find it in the
MW1122 manual. but I haven't looked very hard), or some of the TCP
stacks involved don't do TCP keepalives, you have to keep the channel
alive yourself.

If you're running a VPN, a periodic ping from an internal address to an
internal address at the other end of the VPN tunnel should keep the
thing alive.

For terminal sessions, this is a tad more difficult -- if your remote
system is a modern-ish Unix box, a little script along the lines of:

#! /bin/sh
#
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