shashirao | 1 Nov 03:32 2007
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Sapan Chakraborty....continued

<<Loin peeking out of den to Saurav's call>>

Wonderful questions - am not sure I have the answers....but can
certainly share my take on your queries...

1. Admitted Pancham was of Bengali origin - however that does not make
him a literary expert. Pancham was more into his music and am sure fit
most lyrics to his tune.

It is not that Pancham did not have appreciation or liking for good
poetry - however he would also be inclined to repeat his success combos.

For instance, Pancham had admiration for Gulzar's words, treated Nida
Fazli and Yogesh's ditties with utmost care - he even gave Majrooh's
Urdu output the most modern touch. All the time there are enough
evidence that he certainly knew the good lyrics over the bad.

However, Pancham's success (commerical) was mostly with Anand Bakshi
and Majrooh - both lyricists strived to provide simple words.

IMO, the same would be the case in Bangla - although Pancham did work
with Gauriprasanna Majumdar, he probably had more success with Sapan C
as lyricist.

Also the Bangla albums were produced by music companies like HMV -
which meant the lack of a writer/director in the venture - someone who
had the vision for the literary output required. Its the same with
Pantera - I cringe when I hear the lyrics to some of the songs - so
banal and mushy-mushy.

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shashirao | 1 Nov 03:44 2007
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Re: Rishi Kapur remembers RD

Abhijit,

I understand your point and agree with the gist of it
wholeheartedly....but kya kare...cannot just stop at
waah-waah...thought I had something to add...saary baas...aadat se
majboor :)

Damini - correct on the score that the producers pushed for NS. The
producers are the Morani Brothers and Sunil Soorma - the makers behind
Arjun, Dushmani, Yodha, Raja Hindusthani, etc.

I was always ticked off with them when they never repeated Pancham
after Arjun. I mean what the heck!!!! Arjun - success - with Pancham,
Rahul R, Sunny Deol and the producers.

Their next venture - Yodha - same team, Sunny, Rahul R, Moranis,
etc....lekin Boppi-da. This was like ghor-paap. Like some just stepped
into my mandir of expectations with muddy shoes.

I lost all respect for this banner when they drifted to Annu M, Nadeem
Shravan, whoever. I stopped caring!! (Loin imagined himself Arjun
Malwanker ;))

Once again I have to agree that Rajkumar Santoshi never had the sense
for music. I have written about this on an earlier posting. What can I
say...he visits Pancham with Mehmood to extract music for
Ghaatak...and he oks 'Nighaaon Ne Chedha Hai' ?? Pancham was raring to
go - he could have provided better with more time and encouragement.
Instead we get Maggi noodle!

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pancham | 1 Nov 08:16 2007
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Anindya Roychowdhury | 1 Nov 10:18 2007
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Re: Pancham da aur Satyan Kappu ji

Satyan Kappu sahaab ek mater aise actor hain jinohne Pancham da ke 
sath 50 films se jayada films mein kaam kiya hain. 

Good write up, Balwant ji...R.I.P Satyen Kappu

The one Pm song connection I can recall is "Jeevan mien tuu darna 
nai.n" from Khote Sikke, which IIRC was featured on both Papa (Satyen) 
and (his little boy who grows up to be) Feroze Khan, at various points 
in the film like e leitmotif.

>>27 Oct. 1997 ko mujhe current laga aur main

"Shocking!!"

Anindya

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yatin sangoi | 1 Nov 17:52 2007
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Re: Pancham da aur Satyan Kappu ji


dhanya ho balwant singhji

----- Original Message ----
From: balwant singh <singh_balwant2004@...>
To: pancham@...
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October, 2007 5:12:38 PM
Subject: [Pancham] Pancham da aur Satyan Kappu ji

    
            Namaskaar, Sub sadsiyo ko,

                                            Bade hi dukh ki baat hain ki 27 Oct. ko character artist Satyan kapoor ji ka dehant ho gaya. Kafi dino se main
yeh soch hi raha tha ki aap logo se is baat par discuss karoo ki kis actor ne Pancham da ke sath sub se jayada
films mein kaam kiya hain. Dekhiye kya badkismati hain ki aaj jab Satyan ji nahin hain to aap logo ko un ke
baare mein bata raha houn. Satyan Kappu sahaab ek mater aise actor hain jinohne Pancham da ke sath 50 films
se jayada films mein kaam kiya hain. Un filmo ki list neeche hain.Satyan Kappu ji ki pehli film Kabuliwala
thi, jis mein unnohne Satyander Kumar ke naam se kaam kiya tha. Agle saal 1962 mein un ki film Prem Pater
aayi, jis mein unnohne Satender Kapoor ke naam se kaam kiya. Jitni films maine dekhi hain aur internet se
  nikali hain, un ki list yeh rahi:

  1. Kati Patang 2. Amar prem 3. Apna desh 4. Jawani Diwani 5. Seeta aur Geeta 6. Khotte Sikke 7. Savera 8. Aap ki
kasam 9. Imaan 10. Dil deewana 11. Deewar 12. Sholay 13. Benaam 14. Kala sona 15. Viswasghat 16. Chala
Murari hero banne 17. Doosri sita 18. Mahachor 19. Phandebaaz 20. The burning train 21. Red rose 22. Bhola
bhala 23. Ganga meri maa 24. Kudrat 25. Pukar 26. Ashanti 27. Raksha 28. Zameen Aasman 29. Rocky 30. Sunny
31. Sunny 32. Duniya 33. Karishma 34. Yeh desh 35. Yeh to kamaal ho gaya 36. Savere wali gaddi 37. Alag-Alag
38. Lovers 39. Zalzalla 40. Qayamat 41. Jeeva 42. Jhooti shan 43. Gurudev 44. Yadon ki baraat 45. Manzil 46.
Chor Police 47. Dhongi 48. Main awara houn 49. Palay khan 50. Jhoota kahin ka 51. Khel khel mein 52. Joshiley
53. Shubhkamna 54. Hum hain lajaawab 55.
  Bond 303 56. Gunehgaar koun 57. Khule aam 58. Bindiya chamkegi 59. Sautela bhai
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Abhijit Patwardhan | 1 Nov 18:34 2007
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Re: Re: Rishi Kapur remembers RD

Haha:-) A rocking post as usual! Thanks Loin bhaisaab!

On 10/31/07, shashirao <shashi@...> wrote:
>
>   Abhijit,
>
> I understand your point and agree with the gist of it
> wholeheartedly....but kya kare...cannot just stop at
> waah-waah...thought I had something to add...saary baas...aadat se
> majboor :)
>
> Damini - correct on the score that the producers pushed for NS. The
> producers are the Morani Brothers and Sunil Soorma - the makers behind
> Arjun, Dushmani, Yodha, Raja Hindusthani, etc.
>
> I was always ticked off with them when they never repeated Pancham
> after Arjun. I mean what the heck!!!! Arjun - success - with Pancham,
> Rahul R, Sunny Deol and the producers.
>
> Their next venture - Yodha - same team, Sunny, Rahul R, Moranis,
> etc....lekin Boppi-da. This was like ghor-paap. Like some just stepped
> into my mandir of expectations with muddy shoes.
>
> I lost all respect for this banner when they drifted to Annu M, Nadeem
> Shravan, whoever. I stopped caring!! (Loin imagined himself Arjun
> Malwanker ;))
>
> Once again I have to agree that Rajkumar Santoshi never had the sense
> for music. I have written about this on an earlier posting. What can I
> say...he visits Pancham with Mehmood to extract music for
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suwag11 | 1 Nov 19:48 2007
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Sapan Chakraborty continued

Hi Loin,

In the end, its all about the combination - in Hindi Film Industry,
people are generally quite superstitious and like to repeat successful
combos. And thus we have enough evidence of failed repeats, tepid
followups and uninspired Part-IIs. 

Some examples: Zamane Ko Dikhana Hai, Swami Dada, Samundar, etc.
------------------------------------------------

I wasn't sure what you meant by this; were the films tepid and 
uninspired, or the music, or both? I like the music of all three 
films. ZKDH had excellent music IMO.

Directors are known to have bloated king-maker egos. And MDs have 
this 
habit of taking too many assignments and getting busy.

Some examples: 
J Om Prakash signing up Pancham for Aap Ki Kasam - when LP proved
expensive/unresponsive. But once LP realised their mistake and
buttered their way back, J Om Prakash never signed Pancham (except 
for 
Aandhi) inspite of Aap Ki Kasam being a huge hit.
-----------------------------------------------------

In a recent interview to Screen J Omprakash (JO) spoke about his 
association with RD. They collaborated for the first time for RAJA 
RANI of which JO was the executive producer. This film was directed 
by Sachin Bhoumik, who insisted on RD, and JO agreed. This apparently 
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Anirudha Bhattacharjee | 2 Nov 09:38 2007
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Re: Sapan Chakraborty continued

IIRC, Khawab has Ravindra Jain and not Bappi da as the
composer. Shakti Samanta tried Ravindra Jain for Khwab
and Ayaash.

--- suwag11 <acwagle@...> wrote:

> Hi Loin,
> 
> In the end, its all about the combination - in Hindi
> Film Industry,
> people are generally quite superstitious and like to
> repeat successful
> combos. And thus we have enough evidence of failed
> repeats, tepid
> followups and uninspired Part-IIs. 
> 
> Some examples: Zamane Ko Dikhana Hai, Swami Dada,
> Samundar, etc.
> ------------------------------------------------
>  
> I wasn't sure what you meant by this; were the films
> tepid and 
> uninspired, or the music, or both? I like the music
> of all three 
> films. ZKDH had excellent music IMO.
> 
> 
> Directors are known to have bloated king-maker egos.
> And MDs have 
> this 
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Kishoranand | 2 Nov 15:01 2007
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R.D.Burman & Veena

Has pancham used the VEENA in any of his songs 
which movie is that?

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sr1969 | 2 Nov 17:52 2007

Evergreen hits of Rajesh Khanna on 22nd November

Hi all pancham fans,

This is to announce that music troupe Musicolor is organising a grand musical nite on 22nd November (
Thursday) at Dinanath Mangeshkar hall, Vile Parle East at 8:30pm. The programme will feature several R D
Burman classics picturised on superstar Rajesh Khanna from films like Amar Prem, Kati Patang, Namak
Haram, Ajnabi, Agar Tum Na Hote and Kudrat among others. For details contact 9820587610

[Moderator edit: Please contact the poster directly about the program. Do not respond to the group.]

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Gmane