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shashirao | 1 Aug 2007 01:20

Re: The Pancham-Rafi Effect 3172007

LOL...Objection sustained.

At least SDB was related by blood :)

I am waiting and hoping this thread becomes a full-blown discussion 
on Pancham-Rafi partnership. If this gets into discussing Rafi and 
his fantastic partnership with Naushad and SJ - Loin will growl.

Anyways...here's my attempt towards steering this thread towards 
Pancham:

In my experience with Pancham's works and use of Rafi, KK, Lata and 
Asha - I almost feel that Rafi and Lata were treated at par by 
Pancham - with respect - for specific songs.

When it came to KK and Asha - Pancham was more experimental in using 
their talents to different situations, genres and actors.

In the earlier days, we find Pancham attempting to make Rafi and Lata 
sing the same style numbers as he composed with KK and Asha. For 
instance there is Teesri Manzil, Pyar Ka Mausam, Waris, Abhilasha, 
Ehsan, Puraskar, Raaton Ka Raaja, Caravan, Dil Ka Raaja, etc.

Then post 1974 we find Rafi and Lata singing more of the similar type 
for songs - not much variations, the romantic numbers, the soulful 
background numbers, the bhajans or songs picturised on actors more 
suited for their voice.

There are certain exceptions - for instance the album SHAAN is a 
total turnaround - Rafi all over...from 'Naam Abdul' to 'Yamma
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pancham | 1 Aug 2007 09:24
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sur_2001 | 1 Aug 2007 09:51
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Still Pictures - Remembering Pancham show in Kolkata

Interested members can just click on the following link and view few 
snaps from the event "Remembering Pancham".The page will automatically 
open once you click on the link below.

http://www.ourhfm.com/index.php?
showtopic=6214&pid=89933&st=20&#entry89933

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Focus_e_ht048 | 1 Aug 2007 11:48
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Re: Still Pictures - Remembering Pancham show in Kolkata

grateful having a glimpse of the snaps..they remind me of that unforgettable evening ..believe me it is
just the same feeling I had being present there ...want more snaps..just keeping my fingers crossed when
will the next happen...still cannot forget when Homiji just could not restrain himself on the backstage
and came running to join Bhanuji and Rameshji on stage to play a tiny tune..it was wonderful....we the
panchamfans are there Euphony, to make such an evening a gala  on earth....   
sur_2001 <jayantsur2@...> wrote:          Interested members can just
click on the following link and view few 
snaps from the event "Remembering Pancham".The page will automatically 
open once you click on the link below.

http://www.ourhfm.com/index.php?
showtopic=6214&pid=89933&st=20&#entry89933

js

       
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sur_2001 | 1 Aug 2007 19:21
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Re: Still Pictures - Remembering Pancham show in Kolkata

Thanks for the same!!
js
--- In pancham@..., Focus_e_ht048 <focus_e_ht048 <at> ...> 
wrote:
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> grateful having a glimpse of the snaps..they remind me of that 
unforgettable evening ..believe me it is just the same feeling I had 
being present there ...want more snaps..just keeping my fingers 
crossed when will the next happen...still cannot forget when Homiji 
just could not restrain himself on the backstage and came running to 
join Bhanuji and Rameshji on stage to play a tiny tune..it was 
wonderful....we the panchamfans are there Euphony, to make such an 
evening a gala  on earth....   
> sur_2001 <jayantsur2 <at> ...> wrote:          Interested members can 
just click on the following link and view few 
> snaps from the event "Remembering Pancham".The page will 
automatically 
> open once you click on the link below.
> 
> http://www.ourhfm.com/index.php?
> showtopic=6214&pid=89933&st=20&#entry89933
> 
> js
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yatin sangoi | 1 Aug 2007 15:20
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Re: Kuchh aur batein


  bahut hi khub likha hai balwantji.
  main bahot hi bhavuk ho utha aap ka mail padhkar.
  inn baaton ko hamare saath baantne ke liye shukriya.
  jay pancham
  yats ;-)

balwant singh <singh_balwant2004@...> wrote:
          Namaste, Sub sadsiyo ko,
Aap logo ko yaad hoga ki kareeb 6 mahine pehle maine aap logo ko Pancham da se sambandhit kuchh ghatnye batai
thi, jaise, 27 June ko main dubai mein aaya, apne bete ki naamrashi Ra se nikli, jaisi kuchh batein.Aaj main
aap logo ko kuchh aur batein batana chata houn.
1. Sub se pehle to main sub se badi baat aap logo ko batana chhounga. Pancham da ka janamdin 27 june ko tha aur
din wednesday ka tha. Dekhiye kya ittefaq ki baat hain ki apne bete rahul ka janamdin bhi wednesday(25
July) ko tha. Apne bete ka janamdin Pancham da ke 28 din baad aata hain.Yani saal mein Pancham da ka janamdin
kisi bhi vaar ko aaye, usi din apne bete ka janamdin bhi aayega.waise yeh bhi ittefaq ki baat hain ki mera
janamdin bhi Pancham da ke janamdin se 84 din (12 weeks,4th April) pehle aata hain. Is ka matlab yeh hain ki
agar saal mein jis vaar ko mera janamdin aayega, usi din Pancham da ka aur apne bete ka bhi janamdin aayega.
Is ittefaq ko aap kya kehenge.
2. Maine SKSKM mein kuchh din pehle Gaulson Bawra ji ka programme suna. Unnohne bataya ki un ka janam 13 April
1938 mein hua. Aap sub to jante hi hain Gulson sahaab ne Pancham da ke sath kitna kaam kiya hain aur dono mein
kitni gehri dosti thi. Kya kismat ki baat hain ki 13 April ko meri bhi shadi hui.
3. Apne ek dost ki mother ka 27 Dec. 2006 ko dehant ho gaya. Mujhe yeh jaankar bada hi achharya hua ki kaise
Pancham da ke janamdin ke thik 6 mahine baad hi us ki maa ka nidhan hua. Halaki weh bhi Kishore da aur Pancham
da ka bahut bada fan hain.
4. Pancham da ko cooking ka bada souk tha . Dekhiye main bhi cooking line mein houn. Main pichhle 10 saal se is
line mein houn. Us samay mujhe pata nahin tha ki Pancham da ko cooking ka souk bhi tha.
Is ke alawa, main Manohari da se phone par baat karne ki 2 ghatnao ki baat karoonga. Maine pehli baar 29 dec
2006 ko dada ko phone kiya. Us samay weh Calcutta jane ki tayari kar rahe the. Maine unneh phone kiya to
unnohne kaha ki baad mein phone karna. Maine yeh baat unko bhi batai ki kya ittefaq ki baat hain ki aap
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Shyamtanu Banerjee | 2 Aug 2007 05:59
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Re: Re: The Pancham-Rafi Effect 3172007 - 2 Lata-Rafi duets

Shashi and all,

What do you think about these two songs: -

1. Mohabbat Me Aji Kya (Rafi-Lata): This song, stands as high as any other renowned non-pancham Rafi-Lata
gem. Those days Pancham did not try too much with orchestration, rather concentrated on only melody (like
Tum Meri Zindegi Me from Bombay to Goa), and see the result.
Somewhere there is SDB Gharaana inside this song, though RDB stamps can be found everywhere, look at the
flight of those words 'Chhodo sawaal yeh ab tum jawaab do, Apne bhi pyaar ka thoda hisaab do' then the shift
of mood in 'Pyar tum se karte hain, hum tum pe marte hain'
This is pristine romance man... kahan hai aise masoom lyrics... kahan hai aise tarz, aur kahan aisi aawaazen!

2. Nagma Humaara Gaayega: It is less rare than the previous one, thanks to Universal. Look at the treatment
in shehnayee and Veena (?) in the interludes!! The tune is very unique, with the short taan involved in the
mukhda, as till 'hum de chale ishk ko' no one can predict how the tune will go back to the first note of 'Naghma
Humaara'.. but look how Pancham handled the words 'ek aisa taraana' ! Sheere bliss... while coming back to
the mukhda from the second antara, Lataji has added a short taan, that is a master stroke... kya baat hai!

Add more guys. Need to get back to work now... the less interesting , but essential things of life
Cheers
Shyamu

----- Original Message ----
From: shashirao <shashi@...>
To: pancham@...
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August, 2007 4:50:28 AM
Subject: [Pancham] Re: The Pancham-Rafi Effect 3172007

LOL...Objection sustained.
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Pavan Jha | 2 Aug 2007 14:01
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OTH : [badhkebolbeta] Re: Did You Miss These Ones: Pancham's Paanch

You wont believe Guys.. while I wrote the mail 5 minutes back..
Suddenly a song has started just now on my World Space.... You wont
believe its "Dono ke Dil hain" (the one I mentioned in the post 5 mins
back).. Haven't heard the song for 4-5 years but suddenly just after
sending the mail it came on Radio... also the version they are playing
is a revelation for me..  its not the one Sung by Lata and Jagjeet but
another version by Lata and Suresh, which I have heard for the first
time.. Anybody has any idea on this version..

Pavan

On 8/2/07, Pavan Jha <pavanjha@...> wrote:
> Kishori Lal ji,
>
> RD had reused a tune of Papa Burman which has been reused by many
> other composers too
>
> The original source for Saagar Kinare and Hamein Raaston ki is Thandi
> Hawaayein lehra ke aayein - Naujawaan - SDB - 1951
>
> This was later re used by Roshan saab in Rahein Na Rahein Hum - Mamta
> (66)  and he proudly told Burman da about the inspiration.. Incidently
> Madan Mohan ji too used a similar tune in 1964 in Aapki Parchhaiyaan
> in the song Yahi Hai Tammanaa Tere Ghar Ke Saamne meri jaan jaaye..
> In 90s two more composers reused the same composition Basu
> Chakrawarthy in Dono Ke Dil hain - Nargis (93) and ofc Rajesh Roshan
> in Ghar Se Nikalte Hi -Papa Kahte Hain -  96..
>
> So an interesting pattern is Two father-son combos (SDB-RDB and
> Roshan-Rajesh Roshan) have used this tune..
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Ali Rashid | 2 Aug 2007 21:49
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Re: The Pancham-Rafi Effect 3172007 - 2 Lata-Rafi duets

Two excellent duets Shyamu-bhai, "Mohabbat Mein Aji" is very 
romantic and sweet, the melody is fantastic and so is the 
orchestration with its light touch and fresh fragrance. Lata and 
Rafi are as usual very great in this song.

I have always found "Nagma Hamara" to be very soulful. A beautiful 
classical-based duet, Lata and Rafi take the song to a whole new 
level. The sarod and veena are just too good, and the interludes 
have been crafted nicely.

Coming to Pancham-Rafi, picking up from where Shashi-bhai left off, 
based on my experiences, their hit ratio was very high. They have 
many gems to their credit. Pancham and Rafi have songs in different 
genres; happy, sad/pathos, romantic, fun, classical-based, ghazal-
type melodies, western/pop, qawwali's, devotional numbers, 
philosophical gems. When many talk about this partnership, this 
point often gets overlooked. 

Pancham used Rafi consistently throughout his career. There is a 
phase (73-76) where I feel Pancham should have turned to Rafi more. 
You will find them coming together a lot before and after that 
phase, but in that time they seemed to have reduced their output a 
little. Ofcourse this doesn't take anything away from their 
partnership, which was awesome.

Some also tend to overlook this jugalbandi. The Pancham-KK team was 
excellent, they were made for eachother, and as Rafi was, as one of 
my friends put it, "consistently perfect" with the majority of MD's, 
Pancham wanted to be different and had his favourite in KK. However 
even with this, Rafi was also a regular with Pancham and his second-
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Ali Rashid | 2 Aug 2007 21:59
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Re: The Pancham-Rafi Effect 3172007 - 2 Lata-Rafi duets

I forgot to mention this, but in regards to that phase (73-76), even 
if Pancham-Rafi had reduced their output a little during that time, 
it ALSO doesn't take anything away from Pancham using Rafi 
consistently throughout his career.

Regards

Ali

--- In pancham@..., "Ali Rashid" <ali_rashid83 <at> ...> 
wrote:
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> Two excellent duets Shyamu-bhai, "Mohabbat Mein Aji" is very 
> romantic and sweet, the melody is fantastic and so is the 
> orchestration with its light touch and fresh fragrance. Lata and 
> Rafi are as usual very great in this song.
> 
> I have always found "Nagma Hamara" to be very soulful. A beautiful 
> classical-based duet, Lata and Rafi take the song to a whole new 
> level. The sarod and veena are just too good, and the interludes 
> have been crafted nicely.
> 
> Coming to Pancham-Rafi, picking up from where Shashi-bhai left 
off, 
> based on my experiences, their hit ratio was very high. They have 
> many gems to their credit. Pancham and Rafi have songs in 
different 
> genres; happy, sad/pathos, romantic, fun, classical-based, ghazal-
> type melodies, western/pop, qawwali's, devotional numbers, 
> philosophical gems. When many talk about this partnership, this
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