Calixte FAURE | 6 Feb 10:24
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Lilypond web-editor

[Thanks to Dean Herington for the translation]

Hi, I posted this message on the english-speaking list, it’s about Mutopia, so i post it on this list too.
Please read on the english list at first: http://old.nabble.com/Experimental-Web-based-Lilypond-Editor-td33242123.html#a33242123

Hello,

I've tried in vain to write my message in
English, but given the difficulty I've had, I'm
posting in French, hoping that someone will post
it to the English-speaking list...
We could discuss it here [on the French-speaking
list], but there's more response on the
English-speaking list!

It would be interesting to combine some of the
Mutopia files with this online editor, especially
melodies and songs, to make it easy to transpose
these scores automatically without having to
copy/paste the source code, add the \transpose
command, etc.  Maybe a simple interface could be
created for this specific purpose?

I use Mutopia mainly for this purpose, and with
this feature I would be able to share [the
transposed scores] with my singer friends who
aren't comfortable installing and using Lilypond
(or with computers in general).

I hope I've been clear.  Thanks!
Calixte

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corallina | 4 Feb 19:40
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re contribution

Greetings,

I posted mid last year that I would be willing to help with mutopia, mostly
on some administrative things like getting some of my submissions
in place.   Unfortunately I was delayed on a project (barn roof) until now.

So now I am back and would like to work on my queued project.
I have the links for the readme.html and have looked at the git url.

Please advise what I can do as my last submission has some files
with japanese hiragana text and I would like to see how they come
out mutopiaproject.org

thanks
Ubw iobt | 16 Jan 13:15
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What is the accepted 'form' when converting someone else's score to latest stable LilyPond

Hello,


I have not posted anything to Mutopia before and I wasn't easily able to find the answer in the email threads.

What is the accepted behaviour when taking someone else's .ly file and converting it with regard to the tagline.

Not that I want my own name in there or am trying to take any 'glory' for simply running convert.ly on an old score, but I am more thinking in cases of old versions of LilyPond or pieces which have not been converted for many years, is it really acceptable or fair to leave the original person's name and/or email in the ly file?

Thanks for your time

James
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Glen Larsen | 19 Sep 03:15

Unclear sources

This is my first post to the discussion list and it is more of a question about the clarity of a scanned source I am working on. Please let me know if these questions are not appropriate to the mailing list.

I am working from Boije 4, D. Aguado's Op4 Six Petites Pieces for Guitar, and No4 illustrates 2 issues:

1. The piece starts with a markup, "6e en Pu." or "6e en Puí." or, possibly, "6e en Pué.". I am guessing this has something to do with detuning the 6th (E) string ('Sixth is <something>') to a 'drop-D' tuning on the guitar. If someone can give me the correct phrase and translation it would be appreciated.

2. I have encountered several confusing parts where time signatures do not add. The fix seems to be either making a beamed set of notes a \grace{...} or one or more tuples. In one case, only a grace managed to fix the required number of beats in the first case but in the second case it was ambiguous.

That is one question and one issue on clarity. In the case of #2 I made my best guess --- coding both and listening to the midi output, playing the sequence, etc. I have annotated the problems in the submitted lilypond file in case anybody has input.

-glen


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Christian Boyd | 20 Jul 04:02
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java/python conversion

I'm interested in contributing to the java - python conversion.  I've looked through a majority of the .java files to get the idea, would love to communicate with whoever contributed to the java files in the past if possible, I know Chris did, maybe others too?  Maybe this was covered, but I'll risk asking an obvious question, which version of python are we interested in using? More 2 or more 3 like?  


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Udo Weigelt | 18 Jul 16:17
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Mutopia - going forward

Hi,

I am very happy to see that mutopia is going on. Many thanks to you Chris. I think this is important for the lilypond language too.

I am developing lilypondbeans (http://sourceforge.net/projects/lilypondbeans) - an editor for lilypond. When I had seen that mutiopia is going on, I tried to port somethings into an applet (http://lilypondbeans.sourceforge.net/test). This could be a nice feature for mutopia. Like the Sibelius Scorch plugin it could be integrated into the mutopia website to present the great work of mutopia.

Is there a code versioning system like cvs or svn used on the server? This could be very helpfull to reproduce changes and revert changes if necessary. Lilypondbeans is based on the netbeans platform. Netbeans had some nice code versioning features - so it should be possible to support the mutopia editors to make ly-changes more easy (checkout,commit etc). There could be also a routine to check the ly-syntax and the mutopia metadata before commiting to the server.

In lilypondbeans older ly-versions could be updated easy and there is already a mutopia-plugin with updated samples from mutopia.
   
If I there anything what I could do - please let me know....

Udo

  

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bart deruyter | 30 Jun 13:45
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jazz standards - copyrighted?

Hi all,

me and a friend of mine are about to learn jazz. I have some scores from jazz standards, most of them probably come from the real book. Of course I now want to improve the scores, to make them more readable with lilypond.

I'd like to share the results, but I don't know if these songs are still on copyright. Is there a way to check if I'd be allowed to share the works on mutiopia?

Greets,
Bart Deruyter
http://www.bartart3d.be/

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Steve Taylor | 30 Jun 07:55
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Fwd: Warning: could not send message for past 8 hours

Is the contributions email address still working?  I got the following warning returned....

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corallina | 17 Jun 20:21
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volunteers for mutopia

Greetings,

I am away from my residence in the usa for about another month.
However my services will be available afterwards.
I would guess that my first priority will be to work on some files
that I had previously submitted, learn how to use the git system
with mutopia and then later work on updating some older files
to newer versions of lilypond.
I also have some other projects, that I have not worked on lately
while waiting to see what direction mutopia was going to take.

Thanks to everyone who is working on mutopia.
Chris Sawer | 12 Jun 12:16
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Mutopia - going forward

Dear all,

I am pleased to report that a plan is being put together to get Mutopia 
up-and-running again. Thanks to Valentin Villenave we are moving the 
source repository to a publicly accessible GIT server and starting a bug 
tracking system. This should allow us to divide tasks between a number 
of volunteers rather than one person having to do everything.

The following message has been posted on the website asking for volunteers:

Project update June 2011

Mutopia has not been actively maintained for around a year. However a 
new team is being put together to work through the backlog and get 
Mutopia up-and-running again. Could you help us? We are looking for 
volunteers to help with the following roles:

- Adding new contributions sent to us
- Applying corrections to existing pieces
- Upgrading pieces written with old LilyPond versions
- Redeveloping website (programming)
- Redeveloping build scripts (programming)
- Translation of website
- Delegating incoming e-mail ("front desk")
- Answering legal queries (English)
- Answering general queries (English)
- Answering queries in non-English languages
- Maintaining projects in progress page and chasing/removing old ones

Any help that can be offered will be appreciated. Thanks to Javier 
Ruiz-Alma who is looking at applying corrections to existing pieces.

The backend is currently an unpleasant mixture of Perl and Java but I am 
looking to move to Python for both the website and build scripts. A 
start has already been made on this.

I would like to apologise to all those who have contributed pieces and 
sent corrections that have not yet been added to the website. I hope we 
can work through the backlog over the next few weeks.

I think Mutopia is still unique in offering sheet music with full source 
files that can be edited using free software. I hope we can maintain it 
as a useful resource going forward.

Regards,

Chris
corallina | 23 Nov 19:39
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Re: Mutopia-discuss Digest, Vol 36, Issue 3

Not sure what is involved but if  I can help getting the backlog
cleared out,  perhaps I could assist.

patrick

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> As someone who has been invovled a little with the admin and legal
> side at MutopiaProject.org over the years, and also as a long-time
> user, I would like to express my incredible gratitude for all the hard
> work which Chris has done during all this time. As Chris says, he has
> run the site nearly all by himself, and he deserves the utmost credit
> -- it is easy to have a burst of enthusiasm that lasts for a short
> while, but it takes real commitment to keep processing submission
> after submission for over a decade.  Thank you also to everyone who
> has contributed scores -- your generosity is what Chris has worked so
> constantly to enable.
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> I agree with Chris's analysis of our strengths.  There are now many
> sheet music collections on the web, some with tens of thousands of
> scores. For me, the Mutopia Project collection has three key
> strengths, two of which Chris has already mentioned:
>
> 1) All the scores are available in source form. We could potentially
> do so much with this that would not be possible with PDFs:
> transposition on demand, input data for learning software, melody
> search, ring tones <cough> ... the possibilities are endless.
>
> 2) All the scores have a permissive licence, allowing free use and
> redistribution in all contexts. The user can even perform and record
> the music without paying royalties, which is surprisingly rare amongst
> other collections.
>
> 3) Legal clarity. Submitters state which edition they used to typeset
> the work. Due diligence checks are performed to ensure that the work
> is out of copyright in both the EU and the US (and thereby most of the
> rest of the world). We've even had legal challenges and we've resolved
> them to everyone's satisfaction. Most (but not all) other sites are
> far, far behind this standard. Some sites will let you upload a scan
> without performing any checks whatsoever on its legality. Don't get me
> wrong, there are advantages to that sort of openness -- just as flikr
> allows you to upload photos without them being approved. But there are
> some circumstances where it really helps to have the legal clarity
> that the Mutopia Project collection provides.
>
> I think these strengths are really important, and so I would really
> like to see the project continue. If other people are interested in
> sharing the technical work, I would like to be involved.
>
> Mergers: I would have no problem with us merging with another project
> which shared these same values. But in any case, all the music is
> under a permissive licence, so projects don't need our permission to
> share the scores -- they can, and do, treat the Mutopia Project as an
> upstream source of high-quality sheet music, and I think that's great.
>  I would be extremely happy to see scores from the Mutopia Project
> appearing in Musopen and anywhere else which can make use of them.
> Just to re-emphasise: you can copy the scores without asking. They
> don't belong to us -- they are free for anyone to use, courtesy of the
> original submitter. And of course the composer :-)
>
> I also agree with Chris's analysis of our shortcomings. The two things
> I'd most like to see are public (read-only) access to the SVN archive,
> and an internationalized website available in many languages. We
> answer mails to {francais,deutsch,cymraeg}@MutopiaProject.org but this
> is not sufficient. Anecdotal evidence suggests that worldwide, only
> 1/3 of sheetmusic searches are made in English. We will get much
> better search engine rankings if our website is available in the
> searcher's language. I also agree that we should use standard metadata
> formats.
>
> That's my opinion. But please don't attach any particular weight to
> it, because I'm just one person who has helped out a bit from time to
> time. I do hold the domain name but I don't intend to be pushy about
> that, because the real power behind the project is the submitters, and
> its up to you all to decide what you want to contribute to which
> collections, just like it always has been.
>
> Many thanks,
> --
> David Chan <david (at) MutopiaProject.org>
> Mutopia Project co-maintainer
> http://www.MutopiaProject.org/
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