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The Ethereal Void | 1 Aug 2006 08:54
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Re: 8/3-dub gabriel (dj set) w/ Karsh Kale & Zakhm-NYC

please oh please someone record this !!!!!!

--- dubgabriel <dubgabriel <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

> . thursday, august 3rd .
> 
> Kollektiv: NYC
> . the sound of breaking ground .
> 
> . Every Thursday  <at>  Kush .
> 8.03 : 8.10 : 8.17 : 8.24 : 8.31
> 
> With Special Guest:
> DUB GABRIEL
> 
> Featuring:
> KARSH KALE
> ZAKHM
> 
> - Dub Session -
> 
> Direct from Berlin, former Kush resident Dub
> Gabriel
> joins the 
> Kollektiv
> crew for a signature set of global electronia
> featuring Balkan Gypsy 
> Music,
> Arabic Funk, Indian Electronic, UK Dub and
> Dirty Dance
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pm.carey | 1 Aug 2006 09:21
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Re: Modern Arabic music

>>Natacha Atlas - "Halim" (Mantra/Beggars, 1997)
>>Natacha Atlas - "Diaspora" (Mantra/Beggars, 1995)
>>Natacha Atlas - "Gedida" (Mantra/Beggars, 1999)

>>An obvious choice.  I think these three are her best,
>>although almost every album has some must-have cuts.
>>"Halim" is definitely the place to start.

* "micah stupak" <micah <at> benthic.cc> wrote:
>i figured someone would bring up natacha sooner or later... her work
>is pretty excellent, she has an amazing voice, and does some pretty
>excellent covers. the three above discs are pretty good, and yeah, i
>think _halim_ is the best, too. _something dangerous_ is her very
>poppy album from a few years back, not that interesting, but she has a
>new one just out called _mish malia_ (from memory, not so sure on that
>one), which i think may actually be her strongest, most traditional work.

Agreed that "Mish Maoul" is a strong return to Atlas' roots, which,
after the disappointing, "Something Dangerous", is good to see/hear.
Unfortunately, as with _almost_ all of her albums, some programming
of the CD player is required.  "Halim" remains the only one that is
pretty much top-notch from start to finish.  She's done plenty of
ace cameos too, on some wonderful records.

Oh, yeah... good luck in Jordan, Sean!  I was looking forward to getting
over there (as well as to Turkey, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, UAE & Iran),
but now it will probably be later rather than sooner...

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twIXta IX | 1 Aug 2006 20:55
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Re: Re: Modern Arabic music

I, as fervent listener of Middle Eastern music, was
also disappointed with Muslimgauze, for the same
reasons as Alan. The subject popped up on another
board I visit and I also got into same argument about
the gear. (I suggested his 'making Arab music his own'
was mainly based on studying the manuals of his
sampler).

Anyway, the words on that last Natacha Atlas make me
more eager to check it out. I have all her cd's but
that one, and I figured to change my focus a bit as I
discovered Abdel Halim Hafez, Farid Elatrache and
Fairouz. No funky bass there, but spinechillingly
beautiful music! Recommendations in this field are
more than welcome!

Yeah, Secret Chiefs 3 rule. I don't think Carcass ever
resorted to Schoenberg tonalities but OK. ;)

As for 'fusions', check this excellent site:
http://progressive.homestead.com/

Sout Et Leil by Fifth Sun may be of interest, slick
stringarrangements better than your average sampled
affair in this field.

You also might look into modern pop and arabesk. I'm a
bit more focused on Turkey at the moment, but the
music scene is very diverse. From the excellent stuff
on Double Moon to the Türkpop (and -rock!) on the
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twIXta IX | 1 Aug 2006 21:02
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Re: Re: Modern Arabic music

--- twIXta IX <twixta9 <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

> like Mo?ollar dropped in the post
> before me, but also Bar?? Manço,

That's Mogollar and Baris Manço, without proper diacritics.

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pm.carey | 2 Aug 2006 11:51
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Middle Eastern Music (was Re: Modern Arabic music)

* "twIXta IX" <twixta9 <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
>Anyway, the words on that last Natacha Atlas make me
>more eager to check it out.  I have all her cd's but
>that one, and I figured to change my focus a bit...

It is worth owing for a few ace songs, much like *almost*
every other album she's made.  I think she spreads herself
too thin sometimes.  More focus might lead to a more
solid album than "Halim" (her best), which would be nice
to hear.

>...as I discovered Abdel Halim Hafez, Farid Elatrache
>and Fairouz.  No funky bass there, but spinechillingly
>beautiful music!  Recommendations in this field are
>more than welcome!

Nice to see someone else mention 'Abd al-Halim Hafez,
Fairuz & Farid al-Atrash, who were a footnote in my
earlier post.  Don't forget Umm Kulthum, the truly
legendary Egyptian diva.  I assume most know that Hafez's
"Khosara" was brought to many new ears in the West via
Jay-Z & Timbaland's "Big Pimpin'".

>As for 'fusions', check this excellent site:
>http://progressive.homestead.com/

A great site, to be sure.  If anyone wishes to discuss
the albums here in *rigorous detail*, be sure and join
the Avant-Prog list: avant-progressive <at> yahoogroups.com .
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sqeele_23 | 2 Aug 2006 20:57
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Modern Arabic Music

There's Rabih Abou Khalil - I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned him yet.  Two 
favorites are Al-Jadida (1991) with Sonny Fortune, Glen Moore, Ramesh Shotham and Nabil 
Khaiat; and Odd Times (1997) with Howard Levy, Michel Godard, Mark Nauseef, and Nabil 
Khaiat.     - S.

np:  Steve Hillage in Amsterdam in 1979

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twIXta IX | 2 Aug 2006 23:40
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Re: Middle Eastern Music (was Re: Modern Arabic music)

--- Patrick Carey <pm.carey <at> utoronto.ca> wrote:
> I can make similar lists for Iran, and the Maghreb,
> should this OT discussion continue...

Please do, I'm interested!

I heard two tracks by Syrian Omar Souleyman (and a bit
on 'I Remember Syria') which sounded great.

I saw Dhafer Youssef, two times with Eyvind Aarset,
which was very good. The cd's didn't have the same
effect.

The album by Al-Yaman is also nice, they are from the
Czech Republic except for their Yemenite singer. They
cover a Fairuz tune too. It's a good 'Arabic w/ beats' thing.

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pm.carey | 3 Aug 2006 02:13
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Re: Modern Arabic Music

* "sqeele_23" <scottsteele97233 <at> comcast.net>:
>There's Rabih Abou Khalil - I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned
>him yet.  Two favorites are Al-Jadida (1991) with Sonny Fortune, Glen
>Moore, Ramesh Shotham and Nabil Khaiat; and Odd Times (1997) with Howard
>Levy, Michel Godard, Mark Nauseef, and Nabil Khaiat.

Yet another ace musician, one of Lebanon's première oud players.
There's really so much else we could mention now that we're beyond
"beats 'n' bass".  Rabih Abou-Khalil plays "Arabic/Turkish jazz",
or "Arabic/Turkish jazz fusion", for lack of better descriptions.
Think Cherry and Coleman for the "jazz" element.

Google him or the wonderful Enja label to sample his music.
One of his best, IMHO, is "Arabian Waltz" (1996), which he
recorded with the Balanescu Quartet.

Have to also mention ECM artist, Anouar Brahem, a Tunisian oudist
easily on par with Abou-Khalil, but on a whole other trip...

-Patrick

NP: Ellen Allien - "Berlinette"
OD: Papa M - "Whatever, Mortal"

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pm.carey | 3 Aug 2006 02:18
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Re: Middle Eastern Music (was Re: Modern Arabic music)

* twIXta IX <twixta9 <at> yahoo.com>:
>I saw Dhafer Youssef, two times with Eyvind Aarset,
>which was very good. The cd's didn't have the same
>effect.

Yet another great oud player, that folks here would like.
I've seen Dhafer live a few times, with different groups
(incl. Jon Hassell), but the best would have to be Montréal
2004, with Paolo Fresu & Eivind Aarset!  Agreed that live
is SO much better!!

>The album by Al-Yaman is also nice, they are from the
>Czech Republic except for their Yemenite singer.  They
>cover a Fairuz tune too.  It's a good 'Arabic w/ beats'
>thing.

Thanks again, twIXta!  I totally forgot this, and I was
listening to it recently.  Sean, this album *definitely*
fits your initial request.  It's on the wonderful Czech
label, Indies, home to such bril. artists as Iva Bittová,
Tara Fuki, RadÛza (Raduza) etc. (a whole other discussion).
Their should be samples at: http://www.al-yaman.cz , or
on the Indies website!  Way OT... their singer, Ashwaq,
reminds me of this absolutely stunning Palestinian gal
I dated. :-)

>>I can make similar lists for Iran, and the Maghreb,
>>should this OT discussion continue...

>Please do, I'm interested!
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Alain Haas | 3 Aug 2006 07:26
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RE: Modern Arabic music

I think about few records that I didn't saw yet :

The Master Musicians of Jajouka self titled CD, released in 2000 and
produced by Talvin Singh.

Jonas Hellborg "Aram of the two rivers".

Also, even if it's not 100% arabic, all the "Ethiopiques" collection on
french label Buda Musiques (ethiopian soul, jazz & RnB during the Haile
Selassie aera).

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