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Barbara Scales | 1 Aug 2011 06:24
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: non-silent depictions of silence

Indeed - There is MetaMusik - the stunning piano concerto - which, Jenny Lin performed with the Winnipeg Symphony  at their New Music Festival in 2010. 

Barbara
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On 2011-07-31, at 11:55 AM, Dionisis Boukouvalas wrote:

And there is a relevant Silvestrov work I think...

From: scalesb <at> latitude45arts.com
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 07:59:12 -0400
CC: silence <at> virginia.edu
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Subject: [silence] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: non-silent depictions of silence

Think of Federico Mompou, "Musica Callada"  or "Silent Music" -  Mompour, like Cage, was deeply influenced by Satie. 
THe new recording of Musica CAllada , Jenny Lin, is a treasure trove not just  ofsilence but  of stillness. 




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On 2011-07-30, at 5:14 AM, Dionisis Boukouvalas wrote:

Hmm...
of course the word itself in the title would no justify it as "depiction of silence".
On the other hand, there are works out there that could be described as such without having the word "silence" in their title (see the "wild life" example I mentioned in my first email).

From: rod <at> stasick.org
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:55:19 -0500
To: silence <at> virginia.edu
Subject: [silence] Re: RE: Re: non-silent depictions of silence


On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Dionisis Boukouvalas wrote:

This would make for a fascinating compilation :-)


I agree! I did a quick check of my iTunes list
and there are over 300 tunes with the word "silence" - 
much too large for such a compilation.


Rod


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Now playing: Amon Düül II - Syntelman's March of the Roaring Seventies: Prayer to the Silence




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Robert Miller | 1 Aug 2011 16:22
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Re: RE: Re: non-silent depictions of silence


My favorite: Silence To Be Beaten (Chiffre II), by Wolfgang Rihm.

Wonderful lists which inform me about music which I have not yet heard.

Thank you.  Rob Miller
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Goldstein, Louis | 2 Aug 2011 21:38
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: non-silent depictions of silence

Barbara Scales scalesb <at> latitude45arts.com to Dionisis, silence
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Indeed - There is MetaMusik - the stunning piano concerto - which, Jenny Lin performed with the Winnipeg Symphony  at their New Music Festival in 2010. 

Barbara


And a great recording of MetaMusik on ECM.  Dennis R. Davies and the Vienna Radio Orch (I forgot the pianist's name!)

Also   ---   "Emanations" by Steve Peters - soft sounds barely edging in and retreating to inaudibility.
And Bernhard Gunter's "Time, Dreaming Itself,"  almost constant sound, but .....

Louie

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On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Dionisis Boukouvalas <paistinpotamia <at> hotmail.com> wrote:
Hmm...
of course the word itself in the title would no justify it as "depiction of silence".
On the other hand, there are works out there that could be described as such without having the word "silence" in their title (see the "wild life" example I mentioned in my first email).

From: rod <at> stasick.org
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:55:19 -0500
To: silence <at> virginia.edu
Subject: [silence] Re: RE: Re: non-silent depictions of silence


On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Dionisis Boukouvalas wrote:

This would make for a fascinating compilation :-)


I agree! I did a quick check of my iTunes list
and there are over 300 tunes with the word "silence" - 
much too large for such a compilation.


Rod


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Now playing: Amon Düül II - Syntelman's March of the Roaring Seventies: Prayer to the Silence


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Jared Steward | 3 Aug 2011 04:01

RE: non-silent depictions of silence

So I just did a search in my iTunes and came up with only one: "Silence is the Question" from The Bad Plus's album These are the Vistas.

Seems appropriate!

Jared

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From: Dionisis Boukouvalas <paistinpotamia <at> hotmail.com>
Date: July 30, 2011 5:14:52 AM EDT
Subject: [silence] RE: Re: RE: Re: non-silent depictions of silence

Hmm...
of course the word itself in the title would no justify it as "depiction of silence".
On the other hand, there are works out there that could be described as such without having the word "silence" in their title (see the "wild life" example I mentioned in my first email).

From: rod <at> stasick.org
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:55:19 -0500
To: silence <at> virginia.edu
Subject: [silence] Re: RE: Re: non-silent depictions of silence


On Jul 28, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Dionisis Boukouvalas wrote:

This would make for a fascinating compilation :-)


I agree! I did a quick check of my iTunes list
and there are over 300 tunes with the word "silence" - 
much too large for such a compilation.


Rod


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Now playing: Amon Düül II - Syntelman's March of the Roaring Seventies: Prayer to the Silence

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Rob Haskins | 12 Aug 2011 16:25
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Beiswanger 1944

Does anyone happen to have this article, which I found cited in the Cage Compendium:


Beiswanger, George 1944. “Moderns in Review.” Dance News (May).


My library's ILL has exhausted all its possibilities to get it, so I appeal to the wonderful Cage community for help.

Thank you,
Rob

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Rob Haskins | 12 Aug 2011 17:09
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Re: Beiswanger 1944

This is odd, since it doesn't mention Cage. (According to Revill, I think, this article was the one that contained the famous description of sound of The Perilous Night as a woodpecker in a church belfry.) I continue to look . . . 

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:50 AM, michael billings <zb13m <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
here is a pdf of loc holding, you can actually read article in this format

cheers,

mb

--- On Fri, 8/12/11, Rob Haskins <rob.haskins <at> gmail.com> wrote:

From: Rob Haskins <rob.haskins <at> gmail.com>
Subject: [silence] Beiswanger 1944
To: "Silence" <silence <at> list.mail.virginia.edu>
Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 10:25 AM

Does anyone happen to have this article, which I found cited in the Cage Compendium:

Beiswanger, George 1944. “Moderns in Review.” Dance News (May).


My library's ILL has exhausted all its possibilities to get it, so I appeal to the wonderful Cage community for help.

Thank you,
Rob

--
Rob Haskins, Ph.D.
Associate Professor and
     Coordinator, Graduate Studies
Department of Music, College of Liberal Arts
University of New Hampshire
M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center
30 Academic Way
Durham, NH 03824
603-862-3987 (office)
603-862-3155 (fax)
<http://unh.edu/music/>
<http://robhaskins.net>
<http://musicandmiscellaneous.blogspot.com/>



--
Rob Haskins, Ph.D.
Associate Professor and
     Coordinator, Graduate Studies
Department of Music, College of Liberal Arts
University of New Hampshire
M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center
30 Academic Way
Durham, NH 03824
603-862-3987 (office)
603-862-3155 (fax)
<http://unh.edu/music/>
<http://robhaskins.net>
<http://musicandmiscellaneous.blogspot.com/>
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Rob Haskins | 16 Aug 2011 20:53
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Oxford Bibliography Online: John Cage

I'm working on the bibliography on John Cage for Oxford University Press's amazing Oxford Bibliographies Online Internet resource. I've been charged to make a selection of 100 to 150 entries that will allow the article to be "a selective guide to the best and most useful sources." The OBO entry will have commentary and brief annotations. I ask folks on the Silence list to send me recommendations for the most useful, indispensable entries, as well as citations for sources in obscure journals or monographs. 


Although some of your suggestions might not make it into OBO, I would like to publish my complete bibliography online as a comprehensive resource for Cage scholarship. (The Cage Compendium is, of course, an unbelievable resource, but it contains everything [including, for example, reviews] and is therefore sometimes difficult to use.) I might arrange my bibliography chronologically so one can go to the most recent sources right away, but the online bib I publish won't have annotations or follow the organization in OBO.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!
best,
Rob

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Associate Professor and
     Coordinator, Graduate Studies
Department of Music, College of Liberal Arts
University of New Hampshire
M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center
30 Academic Way
Durham, NH 03824
603-862-3987 (office)
603-862-3155 (fax)
<http://unh.edu/music/>
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Ed Crooks | 16 Aug 2011 23:38
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Re: Oxford Bibliography Online: John Cage

Dear Rob,
I'm sure it will be a great resource!
These are my nominations for the most useful/interesting/thought-provoking entries that sometimes get overlooked:

Beal, Amy C. (2007): ‘David Tudor in Darmstadt’. Contemporary Music Review

26(1), 77-88.

Brooks, William (1993): ‘John Cage and History: Hymns and Variations’.

Perspectives of New Music 31(2), 74-103.

Brooks, William (2007): ‘Pragmatics of Silence’. In: Nicky Losseff and Jenny Doctor,

eds. (2007): Silence, Music, Silent Music. Aldershot: Ashgate, 97-126.

Cage, John and Jeffrey Barnard (1980): Conversation without Feldman. Darlinghurst:

Black Ram Books.

Cage, John and Morton Feldman (1993): Radio Happenings I-V. Köln: MusicTexte.

Chou Wen-chung (1971): ‘Asian Concepts and Twentieth-Century Western

Composers’. Musical Quarterly 57(2), 211-29.

Corbett, John (2000): ‘Experimental Oriental: New Music and Other Others’. In:

Georgina Born and David Hesmondhalgh, eds. (2000): Western Music and its Others: Difference, Representation, and Appropriation in Music. Berkeley: University of California Press, 163-86.

Jones, Caroline A. (1993): ‘Finishing School: John Cage and the Abstract

Expressionist Ego’. Critical Inquiry 19(4), 628-65.

Kahn, Douglas (1997): ‘John Cage: Silence and Silencing’. Musical Quarterly 81(4),

556-98.

Leonard, George J. (1994): Into the Light of Things: The Arts of the Commonplace

from Wordsworth to John Cage. Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

Low, Sor-Ching (2006): ‘Romancing Emptiness’. Contemporary Buddhism 7(2), 129-

47.

Pepper, Ian (1997): ‘From the “Aesthetics of Indifference” to “Negative Aesthetics”:

John Cage and Germany 1958-1972’. October, no.82, 30-47.

Rainer, Yvonne (1981): ‘Looking Myself in the Mouth’. October, no.17, 65-76.

Roth, Moira and Jonathan D. Katz (1998): Difference/Indifference: Musings on

Postmodernism, Marcel Duchamp and John Cage. Amsterdam: G + B Arts International.

Said, Edward (1997): ‘From Silence to Sound and Back Again: Music, Literature, and

History’. In: Edward W. Said (2001): Reflections on Exile and Other Literary and Cultural Essays. London: Granta Books, 507-26.

Shultis, Christopher (1998): Silencing the Sounded Self: John Cage and the American

Experimental Tradition. Boston: Northeastern University Press.


best wishes
Ed Crooks

University of York
ejc505 <at> york.ac.uk
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Rob Haskins | 23 Aug 2011 15:50
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citation help

Does anyone happen to have Cole Gagne and Tracy Caras, "An Interview with John Cage," New York Arts Journal 1, No. 1 (May 1976)?  Or perhaps contact info for Cole Gagne?


Thanks,
Rob

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     Coordinator, Graduate Studies
Department of Music, College of Liberal Arts
University of New Hampshire
M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center
30 Academic Way
Durham, NH 03824
603-862-3987 (office)
603-862-3155 (fax)
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Tim Ovens | 26 Aug 2011 13:59
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Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes)


Hi all,

for long time I have been out of this list. Can anyone tell me how the search
in the archive is working now? For example I could not find any entry for the
words Haiku or Changes, but I am sure there are any.

Are there any old editions with Seven Haiku or Music of Changes? I did contact
Gene Caprioglio from Peters in New York, but he wrote: 
"8.5 by 11 inches IS the size intended by Cage.   Is your copy 8.5x11?	The
height of the staff should be a tiny bit over 1/8 inch.  If it is, than carry
on, you have the correct music.   If there are larger copies extant, they are
wrong.	 They should be ignored.   They were not produced by C.F. Peters
Corporation."

But in this size Cages remarks on the space and time make no sense. Besides
this Haiku score is in parts not legible (e.g. no. 5), because the handwriting
is smeared over by the diminuishing. How do you handle with this?

Best,
Tim
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