Debaprasad Bandyopadhyay | 11 Aug 2006 13:53
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Silenceme and absential quantifier

 
 
 
“Silence itself is defined in relationship to words, as the pause in music receives its meaning from the group of notes round it. The silence is a moment of language; being silent is not being dumb; it is refuse to speak, and therefore keep on speaking.” – Jean Paul Sartre.  1948. What is Literature?

 

The act of speaking (non-silence) is constrained, appropriated, approximated by the unspeakable/ unspoken spaces—so-called blank spaces are controlling the revealed speech. These blank spaces are emitting different meanings in different situations and non-signs were endowed with the supposed sign-ness. That is the de-sign of “silenceme” as it is de-sign-ated within the sign-ness. Silenceme is not absence of speaking, but it is a subjective “perception” of absence of speaking in relation to non-speaking. 

 

Now I am trying to understand the ontology as well as phenomenology of silence as elaborated by cage by deploying an Indian philosophical tool called abhava or absence. In the Nyaya-Vaiseska (henceforth NV, Indian Logic) tradition, categories are distinguished based on their presence (bhava) and absence(abhava). They considered both the existence and non-existence as categories, which are subject to the knowledge or cognition by means of generic perception.

 

Generally, in the English translations of the NV-literature, this category comes under the notion of negation and its subdivisions are translated as “relational absence” and “mutual absence” or “difference” (anyonyabhava). In the context of “silence”,  I will mainly concentrate on the “relational absence” or simply absence rather than that of difference.

 

All relations are regarded in Navyanyaya as dyadic relations between two terms: anuyogin (referend, qualificand, locus X) and pratiyogin (counterpositive, referent, qualifier, located Y). Relation (R) is always a property resident in the residence or referend. Thus, one can say  X –(R-Y) where X is the locus of absence of Y where R is a relata.  

In case of relational absence, a qualifier qualifies a qualificand and by negating it we get an “absence of that qualifier” (which is another qualifier) qualifying the same qualificand, “this silent-space X is qualified by speaking-absence Y”. On the other hand, difference referred to “this is not silence” type of negation. Thus, absence of non-speaking-ness and difference from a silence are two distinguishable sub-categories of abhava.

 

These blank spaces may be perceived /cognized as a category called “absence” (absence is always designated in relation to something). One could perceive absence by assigning the absential qualifier/ counterpositive to the locus of empty locus/ referend, qualificand. Thus, the absence of speaking means perceiving the dyadic relations between two constructs: speaking and non-speaking in a certain locus. There is no absolute non-speaking silent zone---all silent zones are pervaded by the non-silence and vise versa, however, when, speaking/listening subject is perceiving something as “silence” is actually cognizing “absence” of stipulated non-silence in a locus. Thus, in the terminologies of NV, the  speaking/listening subject perceives the “absence” of  couterpositive (stipulated non-silence) in the locus of supposed/stipulated silence. And it is a case of Absential relation. 

 

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Rob Haskins | 11 Aug 2006 15:18
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Re: Silenceme and absential quantifier

For me, I don't really perceive a duality between Cage's sound and silence in the sense of presence or absence.  The more I listen to his music I find the two come to form a totality--in particular, I begin to perceive his silences as a kind of sound (rarely the other way around).  I wonder how others react to the silences in Cage's music, and if there are other ways of theorizing or describing them.
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Silence itself is defined in relationship to words, as the pause in music receives its meaning from the group of notes round it. The silence is a moment of language; being silent is not being dumb; it is refuse to speak, and therefore keep on speaking. Jean Paul Sartre.  1948. What is Literature?
 
The act of speaking (non-silence) is constrained, appropriated, approximated by the unspeakable/ unspoken spacesso-called blank spaces are controlling the revealed speech. These blank spaces are emitting different meanings in different situations and non-signs were endowed with the supposed sign-ness. That is the de-sign of silenceme as it is de-sign-ated within the sign-ness.
Silenceme is not absence of speaking, but it is a subjective perception of absence of speaking in relation to non-speaking. 
 
Now I am trying to understand the ontology as well as phenomenology of silence as elaborated by cage by deploying an Indian philosophical tool called abhava or absence. In the Nyaya-Vaiseska (henceforth NV, Indian Logic) tradition, categories are distinguished based on their presence (bhava) and absence(abhava). They considered both the existence and non-existence as categories, which are subject to the knowledge or cognition by means of generic perception.
 
Generally, in the English translations of the NV-literature, this category comes under the notion of negation and its subdivisions are translated as relational absence and mutual absence or difference (anyonyabhava). In the context of silence,  I will mainly concentrate on the relational absence or simply absence rather than that of difference.
 
All relations are regarded in Navyanyaya as dyadic relations between two terms: anuyogin (referend, qualificand, locus X) and pratiyogin (counterpositive, referent, qualifier, located Y). Relation (R) is always a property resident in the residence or referend. Thus, one can say  X (R-Y) where X is the locus of absence of Y where R is a relata.  
In case of relational absence, a qualifier qualifies a qualificand and by negating it we get an absence of that qualifier (which is another qualifier) qualifying the same qualificand, this silent-space X is qualified by speaking-absence Y. On the other hand, difference referred to this is not silence type of negation. Thus, absence of non-speaking-ness and difference from a silence are two distinguishable s ub-categories of abhava.
 
These blank spaces may be perceived /cognized as a category called absence (absence is always designated in relation to something). One could perceive absence by assigning the absential qualifier/ counterpositive to the locus of empty locus/ referend, qualificand. Thus, the absence of speaking means perceiving the dyadic relations between two constructs: speaking and non-speaking in a certain locus. There is no absolute non-speaking silent zone---all silent zones are pervaded by the non-silence and vise versa, however, when, speaking/listening subject is perceiving something as silence is actually cognizing absence of stipulated non-silence in a lo cus. Thus, in the terminologies of NV, the  speaking/listening subject perceives the absence of  couterpositive (stipulated non-silence) in the locus of supposed/stipulated silence. And it is a case of Absential relation. 
 

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paulohartmanndesign | 11 Aug 2006 16:44

prepared guitar concert

Dear Silencers,

Next week on 17th august, i'll be presenting my reaserch with prepared 
guitars at file/hipersonica festival(http://www.file.org.br/file2006press/)

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Dr Vesty | 14 Aug 2006 17:05
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buddhist quote on silence

Hello All,

Just came across this quote and thought it went with your theme:

"Sometimes one creates a dynamic impression by saying something,
and sometimes one creates as significant an impression by remaining silent."

(H.H. The 14th Dalai Lama)

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Stefanodoug76 | 18 Aug 2006 20:43
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John Cage and Mike Bongiorno

Hi there, I might be not exactly the first one asking for this but I thought this mailing list as good place to try.
 
I'm looking for the really mysterious John Cage partecipation to the italian quiz show "Lascia o Raddoppia" (double or nothing). I'm from Italy and I have been looking for this videoclip for a long time unfortunately without positive results (so far I have only a pic of it contained in an italian cd).
 
I wonder if anybody out there knows something, anything, because everything could be helpful in my search for it.
 
 
Thanks in advance
 
 
Stefano

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zachary moldof | 21 Aug 2006 00:23
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Cagesque question

Greetings all,

I am doing some research on sampling and am wondering if any of you
can recommend resources. I am mostly concerned with earlier examples
in which new methods for working with sampling are explored. This is
not to say that I am looking for the oldest examples, rather instances
that changed the structure of sampling.

Thanks,
Zach.

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Glenn Freeman | 21 Aug 2006 05:46

Two3 Broadcast Premiere Sought

In October, OgreOgress productions will release the first recording (96kHz|24bit Audio DVD) of John 
Cage's Two3 (1991) for sho and conch shells. This 121-minute work in 10 movements is John Cage's 
longest Number Piece. We are seeking a willing radio station (broadcast or internet) to air the first 
broadcast of this very important John Cage work, in its entirety, on September 5th (John Cage's 
birthday). Please ask any interested parties to contact me soon.

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Guy De Bievre | 21 Aug 2006 08:28

Re: Cagesque question

for one thing it will depend on your definition of sampling (I like 
to think of Messiaen walking the woods, writing down birdsong and 
then recycling it into music as a form of sampling, ...or birds that 
imitate other birds - in which case the brain is the 
sampler)...Pierre Schaeffer's work seems essential

At 12:23 AM 8/21/2006, zachary moldof wrote:
>Greetings all,
>
>I am doing some research on sampling and am wondering if any of you
>can recommend resources. I am mostly concerned with earlier examples
>in which new methods for working with sampling are explored. This is
>not to say that I am looking for the oldest examples, rather instances
>that changed the structure of sampling.
>
>Thanks,
>Zach.
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Re: Cage's comments


Hi everyone,

I am not sure if I posted this correctly last time.
I am keenly in search of any and all comments 
Cage made on his 4'33" piece. I would like, if possible
to assemble these and put them in some chronological order.

For instance, there's the one in "Silence" prefacing the
essay on Rauschenberg, "To Whom it May Concern:
the white paintings were first; my silent piece came later."
Where, I wonder, does this fit in the theorization of 4'33"
and of the ever richer theoretical connections Cage made
between it and the White Paintings. I would be so grateful 
for suggestions on ways to pursue this.

With appreciation in advance, for your thoughts,

Julia.

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Edgardo Salinas | 21 Aug 2006 17:00
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To the list's collective wisdom,
Can anyone tell me off the top of your head exactly where Cage says
"I make music, not cages."
Thanks!
Edgardo

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