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Re: John Cage Books

John Cage, Themes and Variations, Barrytown, NY: Station Hill Press 1982
John Cage, The First Meeting of the Erik  Satie Society, Osiris Press, NY1985

John Cage Influences

Studies and Montage-Pieces (2004)

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1 Study #1 "homicide" 8:14
2 Study #2 7:00
3 Study #3 "optimism is continuous" for John Cage 5:24
4 Study #4 "directed me before" 3:02 | listen mp3
5 Study #5 "unconsciously calculating" 3:20 | listen mp3
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7 Study #7 for Allen Ginsberg 8:14 | listen mp3
8 Study #8 for Jack Kerouac 3:05
9 Study #8a 2:42
10 Study #9 "the divorce of State & industry" for John Cage 6:16 | 
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12 Study #11 3:53
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"Schoenberg said that music was repetition—repetition and variation. And 
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— John Cage remembering Schoenberg's teaching

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Re: John Cage Influences

In a message dated 12/5/04 10:40:15 AM, rwmk_110385 <at> yahoo.com.hk writes:

<< Obviously Erik Satie played a heavy role in Cage's influences and some 
non-music artists(i.e. Marcel Duchamp), also his fellows, mentors, 
contmeporaries. Other than these have he mentioned others?  >>

The question of influences on Cage is an interesting one. Offhand I cant 
think of another composer who writes and talks so extensively about artists, 
writers, and philosophies--rather than other composers--as influences. Overall he 
is quite stinting in his praise and finds practically nothing of interest in 
traditional Western music, the major sticking points being repetition 
(especially melodic),  rhythmic regularity, and harmony (although his attitudes softened 
with age). He does approve of  Mozart, Schoenberg, and (for a while at least) 
Webern, but in terms of specific aspects (respectively, multiplicity of 
ideas, continual development, silence and discontinuity) rather than in terms of 
technique, style, or anything else for that matter. Similarly, when he speaks 
positively of Ives it is often in personal rather than musical terms, and he 
chooses those ideas in Ives's philosophy that jibe with his own beliefs. Even 
Satie, a composer for whom Cage's admiration is unconditional, is pressed into 
service to justify Cage's own aesthetics and compositional practices. This 
pattern can be seen in passages from Conversing with Cage (edited by Richard 
Kostelanetz) and in his writings in Silence, for instance, when discussing Feldman, 
Cowell,  and others.  

"fellows, mentors, contemporaries" certainly covers a lot. Perhaps if you 
could list the main suspects among this crew others could fill in.   

Re: John Cage Influences

Re: John Cage Influences

In a message dated 12/6/04 12:20:30 AM, rwmk_110385 <at> yahoo.com.hk writes:

<< Acutally I'm most curious that if Cage have any "non - western music" 
influences, like Chinese classical msuic for example, and maybe also some ancient 
music from Greek or other countries. >>

Important Eastern influences are philosophical and aesthetic rather than 
theoretical or practical. I suggest David Patterson's chapter in John Cage: Music, 
 Philosophy , and Intention (edited by Patterson) and Tan's chapter in John 
Cage at Seventy-Five (ed. Fleming & Duckworth).

A few other specifics come to mind but I wouldn't call them 
influences--Cage's admiration for shakuhachi and (later) sho, the simulated Korean heterophonic 
entrances in Ryoanji, use of Greek modes (following Satie) in Cheap 
Imitation. 

Cage Influences

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the list.  My name is Katherine Setar and my friend, Joe 
Zitt, recommended this list to me.  I've done some reading on Cage (and 
a performed few of his pieces.)  In the trivia department, my childhood 
piano teacher went to the Cornish School and performed in some of Cage's 
early percussion pieces.  (Her name was Brabazon Lindsay, and she's 
mentioned on p. 61 of Richard Kostelanetz's anthology JOHN CAGE.)

To answer Ryan's questions on Cage influences:  Off the top of my head: 
  I remember reading the name Daisetz T. (D.T.)Suzuki--a Zen 
scholar--mentioned numerous times by Cage as a major influence.  Cage 
also was a mycologist (mushroom hunter) and ate macrobiotic food when 
his health declined in mid-life.  Incidentally, I think  it was Yoko Ono 
who turned Cage onto macrobiotic cooking.

Katherine Setar
silence-request <at> list.mail.virginia.edu wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I have a general question that I think all "new to Cage" people

  will ask, maybe you guys have answered many times, but please kindly do

  it again!:0
>  
> Obviously Erik Satie played a heavy role in Cage's influences and some

  non-music artists(i.e. Marcel Duchamp), also his fellows, mentors,

  contmeporaries. Other than these have he mentioned others? Cage is very

into the "Zen" thing and Chinese herbs, I wonder if Chinese (ancient)

  music have an influence on him, and also Greek (ancient) music, he used

  to study Greek in high school, dosen't he?
>  
> Please discuss
>  
> regards,
> Ryan
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Re: bbc.co.uk: JOHN CAGE IN ONE MINUTE

I encourage all members of Silence to inform the BBC that their discography for John Cage is very incomplete ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/music/muze/index.pl?site=music&action=discography&artist_id=4851

Visit ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3281777.stm

... and refer the BBC to http://johncage.info for a full and accurate discography, not just a corporate 
discography.