Do you have any evidence for this being a myth?

Everything - and I do mean everything, not just a few online comments; this is something in published works back in the '80s as well - that I've read has said it maxes out at 100.  There was even an Anatek product that remapped the DX's response to allow it to fudge up to 127.

I'm not categorically saying you're wrong, but I would like to see some evidence you're right.

On 29 February 2012 12:44, Gil Sicuro <gsicuro <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

 

One last thing: the velocity transmit max=100 is a MYTH. Its the DX7's keyboard which have a logarithmic redponse curve.

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Links then, if you please.  

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Thanks everyone for your help :)

I didn't know it doesn't have internal velocity sensitivity, though that's not too bad, when I'm not messing with it I would be controlling it by laptop or Yamaha RM1x.

24.7" wide - that's about 2 feet? That's smaller than I thought, cute B-)

A bit of a mixed opinion about it sounding different to the DX7, but Martin says there are different parameters and it's easier to program and the LFO is different.

I think I'll put it on the wishlist, after the Casio CZ-101 probably, I love tiny keyboards :O}

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> Hello all :)
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> I own a DX7 MKI and I am pondering whether to put a DX100 on my wishlist. I'm addicted to small keyboards and don't have a FM one. If anyone could answer these questions below, that would be cool :)
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> Does the DX100 sound different compared to a DX7, or can a DX7 copy it and sound indistinguishable from it (I'm thinking of classic patches like Solid Bass)?
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> Is it light weight enough to carry around the house (the DX7 is built like a tank!)?
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> Does its transmit velocity ranges upto 100 or upto 127?
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> Thanks :)
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If you have a DX7, just play a key *very very hard* while recording to a sequencer. If you play hard enough the value will be above 100. One way to do that is holding the indicator finger with the other hand forcing it as if it were a spring then releasing it on the key.

The SY77's velocity response is pretty close to the DX7. I compared them side by side.

cheers


Em 29/02/12 21:10, Christopher Winkels escreveu:

 

Links then, if you please.  

This goes against everything I've come across in the last 20 years.

And it's widely acknowledged that the DX7ii and subsequent FM synths did not have this issue, so referencing them doesn't really make much sense.

On 29 February 2012 19:00, Gil Sicuro <gsicuro <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

 

I do have my DX7 as evidence. This was already discussed here. The DX7 can in fact send velocity above 100, it's just •very hard• due to the keyboard's velocity curve. Actually one have to almost break a key to send velocity above 100. This is valid also for the DX5, DX7II and SY77 (I made the test side by side).

cheerz

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Em 29/02/2012, às 04:29 PM, Christopher Winkels <cwinkels <at> gmail.com> escreveu:

 

Do you have any evidence for this being a myth?

Everything - and I do mean everything, not just a few online comments; this is something in published works back in the '80s as well - that I've read has said it maxes out at 100.  There was even an Anatek product that remapped the DX's response to allow it to fudge up to 127.

I'm not categorically saying you're wrong, but I would like to see some evidence you're right.

On 29 February 2012 12:44, Gil Sicuro <gsicuro <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

 

One last thing: the velocity transmit max=100 is a MYTH. Its the DX7's keyboard which have a logarithmic redponse curve.

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Here's some pics of how to play to get velocities above 100 and the recorded result.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YamahaDX/photos/album/2146551415/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc

Note that this is not practical at all for normal playing. One have almost to break a key to get velocity values above 100.

However this shows that the DX7's max velocity is not limited to 100 as many believe, but it's the keyboard velocity curve that is too steep for higher values (logarithmic, if I'm not mistaken). So, it's not impossible to get velocity values above 100 on a DX7. It's just *very hard*. This is the same for the DX5, DX7II, DX7s, SY77. I already used them all as controllers. For normal use though, I used a custom velocity curve on my DAW to compensate this.

cheers

On 29/02/12 21:22, Gil Sicuro wrote:

 

If you have a DX7, just play a key *very very hard* while recording to a sequencer. If you play hard enough the value will be above 100. One way to do that is holding the indicator finger with the other hand forcing it as if it were a spring then releasing it on the key.

The SY77's velocity response is pretty close to the DX7. I compared them side by side.

cheers


Em 29/02/12 21:10, Christopher Winkels escreveu:

 

Links then, if you please.  

This goes against everything I've come across in the last 20 years.

And it's widely acknowledged that the DX7ii and subsequent FM synths did not have this issue, so referencing them doesn't really make much sense.

On 29 February 2012 19:00, Gil Sicuro <gsicuro <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

 

I do have my DX7 as evidence. This was already discussed here. The DX7 can in fact send velocity above 100, it's just •very hard• due to the keyboard's velocity curve. Actually one have to almost break a key to send velocity above 100. This is valid also for the DX5, DX7II and SY77 (I made the test side by side).

cheerz

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Em 29/02/2012, às 04:29 PM, Christopher Winkels <cwinkels <at> gmail.com> escreveu:

 

Do you have any evidence for this being a myth?

Everything - and I do mean everything, not just a few online comments; this is something in published works back in the '80s as well - that I've read has said it maxes out at 100.  There was even an Anatek product that remapped the DX's response to allow it to fudge up to 127.

I'm not categorically saying you're wrong, but I would like to see some evidence you're right.

On 29 February 2012 12:44, Gil Sicuro <gsicuro <at> yahoo.com> wrote:

 

One last thing: the velocity transmit max=100 is a MYTH. Its the DX7's keyboard which have a logarithmic redponse curve.

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2012, ben.todd <at> btinternet.com wrote:

> I think I'll put it on the wishlist, after the Casio CZ-101 probably, I love
> tiny keyboards :O}

Yes, a CZ-101 is cute too. And what about, not quite "vintage" yet, a
Microkorg. However you can make it look vintage like this:

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2010/06/26/the-micromoorg-korg-microkorg-mod/



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That looks like a Crumar Bit O1 rack.    I could be wrong but that's what it looks like.

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