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trouthead27 | 1 Aug 2008 09:37
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Re: How much would you charge for my custom ex Variax midi guitar?

Well, I've now listed it on Ebay....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&rd=1&item=260269619545&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=016

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trouthead27 | 1 Aug 2008 09:39
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Re: How much would you charge for my custom ex Variax midi guitar?

Thanks for your comments.

Well, I've now listed it on Ebay...

http://tinyurl.com/6qk74r

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sebastianotero | 2 Aug 2008 08:54
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midignorant

Hi amigos
se
im new to midi guitar. I have GR 20 and MIDI Fender...... I have experimented with 
softsynths/sampler (Sample Tank) thru my sequencer. Slow innacurate 
response....normal?

I want to use MIDI guitar live on gigs. Im mostly interested in soft dreamy pads with soft 
attack, lead synths like Pat Metheny, some tecno bass sounds, ocassional pianoetc. 

From what I have been reading, it seems the GR20 just sucks?

What about the V models by Roland that come with sounds? Same inaccuracy problems?

I think one of the Axons comes with sounds too, the problem there is nowhere to demo 
Axons.......

One big priority if i buy more midi guitar gear is easy live set up and easy to use patch 
editor.playing live i would use either synth in laptop or in a self contained unit by Axon or 
Roland. But no big keyboards etc

i would appreciate your insights and knowledge

thank

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dale77s@yahoo.com | 2 Aug 2008 10:04
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Re: midignorant

I have used a Godin LGXT and Roland GR-30 in live settings as you described. I have been very pleased with the results,

Dale

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Subject: [midiguitar] midignorant

Hi amigos
se
im new to midi guitar. I have GR 20 and MIDI Fender...... I have experimented with 
softsynths/sampler (Sample Tank) thru my sequencer. Slow innacurate 
response.... normal?

I want to use MIDI guitar live on gigs. Im mostly interested in soft dreamy pads with soft 
attack, lead synths like Pat Metheny, some tecno bass sounds, ocassional pianoetc. 

From what I have been reading, it seems the GR20 just sucks?

What about the V models by Roland that come with sounds? Same inaccuracy problems?

I think one of the Axons comes with sounds too, the problem there is nowhere to demo 
Axons.......

One big priority if i buy more midi guitar gear is easy live set up and easy to use patch 
editor.playing live i would use either synth in laptop or in a self contained unit by Axon or 
Roland. But no big keyboards etc
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Steve | 2 Aug 2008 11:07
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Ramirez 2CWE with Polydrive

Unfortunately after I auditioned the guitar I had to reject it. Not 
that it was bad it just wasn't as good an instrument as the standard 
2CWE (which is what I ended up buying). The action was quite high, 
higher that the standard instrument and as far as I could see little 
scope to lower it. Also I had ordered an instrument with outboard 
Polydrive and it arrived with the onboard unit. Tracking with my GR20 
was tricky to get right and I've read other reports that harmonically 
rich instruments can cause problems with mis-triggering. So a bit of a 
disappointment - I shall have to continue using my Tanglewood TW73 
steel string with GK pickup for midi access. I've never been interested 
in the midi nylon Godins, they feel and sound wrong, just my opinion.

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Rich H | 2 Aug 2008 11:40
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Re:midignorant

The GR20 is a good unit, but tracking is optimised for internal sounds.  If you want to trigger external
modules or soft synths you would get much better results from a Roland GI-20 or one of the Axon units.  One of
the Axon units does come with built in sounds (AX100) but they aren't great.  If you search for this under
Terratec Axon you should find sites and a forum, with demo vids from a guitarist called Burr Johnson.

  If you mean the Roland VG series, then there are no tracking issues involved, but this isn't guitar
synthesis as such.  The new VG-99 does also have built in pitch to MIDI conversion as well though, but I don't
know how good this is.

  If you can't find the links, post again, but you should be able to Google them (include Terratec maybe in the
search terms).

  Rich

  http://www.rolent.co.uk

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Rich H | 2 Aug 2008 11:40
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Re:midignorant

The GR20 is a good unit, but tracking is optimised for internal sounds.  If you want to trigger external
modules or soft synths you would get much better results from a Roland GI-20 or one of the Axon units.  One of
the Axon units does come with built in sounds (AX100) but they aren't great.  If you search for this under
Terratec Axon you should find sites and a forum, with demo vids from a guitarist called Burr Johnson.

  If you mean the Roland VG series, then there are no tracking issues involved, but this isn't guitar
synthesis as such.  The new VG-99 does also have built in pitch to MIDI conversion as well though, but I don't
know how good this is.

  If you can't find the links, post again, but you should be able to Google them (include Terratec maybe in the
search terms).

  Rich

  http://www.rolent.co.uk

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Lenny Stearns | 2 Aug 2008 16:44

Re: Re:midignorant

If the GR20 is anything like my GR33, it's no wonder you were
disappointed.  I ended up picking up a used Yamaha GR50 unit and have been
happy with the results so far.  The Axon and Roland units are a bit more
up to date, however, and may be a better bet if you have the money.

Regards,
Lenny

> The GR20 is a good unit, but tracking is optimised for internal sounds.
> If you want to trigger external modules or soft synths you would get much
> better results from a Roland GI-20 or one of the Axon units.  One of the
> Axon units does come with built in sounds (AX100) but they aren't great.
> If you search for this under Terratec Axon you should find sites and a
> forum, with demo vids from a guitarist called Burr Johnson.
>
>   If you mean the Roland VG series, then there are no tracking issues
> involved, but this isn't guitar synthesis as such.  The new VG-99 does
> also have built in pitch to MIDI conversion as well though, but I don't
> know how good this is.
>
>   If you can't find the links, post again, but you should be able to
> Google them (include Terratec maybe in the search terms).
>
>   Rich
>
>   http://www.rolent.co.uk
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Udo van der Meer | 3 Aug 2008 03:07

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---- Lenny Stearns <lens <at> planeteleven.net> wrote: 
> If the GR20 is anything like my GR33, it's no wonder you were
> disappointed.  I ended up picking up a used Yamaha GR50 unit and have been
> happy with the results so far.  The Axon and Roland units are a bit more
> up to date, however, and may be a better bet if you have the money.
> 

For tracking accuracy and speed the Yamaha G50 (not GR50, which is a  motorbike I think), is just as good as the
Axons when you use a magnetic hex pickup (from Roland, Yamaha or Axon). The Axon has an advantage when you
use a piezo hex pickup. Algorithms used in the G50 are the same as Axon's, but Axons had an update
specifically for piezos, which was not implemented in the G50.

The G50 doesn't provide as many 'zones' as the Axons, but has an envelope follower (loudness contour) which
can be used for modulation (filter sweeps, etc).

I used to own a G50 (sold recently), still use an Axon AX-100 and the midi converter built into the VG-99 (MIDI
convesion is NOT used for the sounds in the VG-99). I still have a Roland Gi-10 midi converter, but haven't
used it for ages. Its built into a modified VG-8.

Udo

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Lenny Stearns | 3 Aug 2008 04:52

RE: Re:midignorant

I'm actually using the G50 (not the GR50 - my mistake) with a piezo (LGXT),
but I have to set it to finger-picking sensitivity to get it to track
properly. It's weird, but it works fine on this setting. 

Regards,

Lenny

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---- Lenny Stearns <lens <at> planeteleven.net> wrote: 
> If the GR20 is anything like my GR33, it's no wonder you were
> disappointed.  I ended up picking up a used Yamaha GR50 unit and have been
> happy with the results so far.  The Axon and Roland units are a bit more
> up to date, however, and may be a better bet if you have the money.
> 

For tracking accuracy and speed the Yamaha G50 (not GR50, which is a
motorbike I think), is just as good as the Axons when you use a magnetic hex
pickup (from Roland, Yamaha or Axon). The Axon has an advantage when you use
a piezo hex pickup. Algorithms used in the G50 are the same as Axon's, but
Axons had an update specifically for piezos, which was not implemented in
the G50.

The G50 doesn't provide as many 'zones' as the Axons, but has an envelope
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