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Michael Sands | 1 Mar 2008 02:36
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Re: Amps vs Amp modelling and the VG99 in the real world

Bill:
  I totally get your "sense of humor". That's why I'm laughing my ass off right now, because I just got home from
my day job, and like everyday, I rode my bicycle; it's about 6 miles round trip. After I get done with this,
I'm gonna go do my obligitory 20 minute weight session. I learned long ago, that in the entertainment
business, well, no-body really liked the fat Elvis, if ya know what I mean. And further more, if packing
your Marshall stack around helps you get your excercise, and more importantly, helps you work off a little
hostility, I for one, applaud your efforts. And, I'm with you on the love affair with the tubes, man. But the
geeksquadron has a point here, and I appreciate what they're saying. As for clubs not wanting you to pack an
amp, well, it wouldn't suprise me. Haven't e
 ncountered it yet, but it wouldn't suprise me. Give it 10 years, and I bet it won't be anything but kareoke,
and touch tune jukeboxes. That's why I've been doing this act for 7 years now,
 as a duo, and using midi-tracks. No drummer, no bass, no keys. Just me, my ax, my tube amp, my partner, the
Qy100, and I will admit, I have a nice little PA system. And when we play Virginia City, I have to "roadie" all
that shit up 1 rickety flight of stairs. If I could, and I'm not saying I will, but if I could eliminate one
peice of equipment, I certainly would. I'm not convinced yet, but I'm listening. That, my friend, is
having an open mind. Now if you will excuse me, I gotta go do some curls for the girls. Peace out. 

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          "Bill, do you like being a roadie??"

No, not really, but I've always accepted it as "part
of the territory. And I don't have a roadie, but a
little exercise is actually good for you (or so I've
heard).

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pjoneal35 | 1 Mar 2008 17:12
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Re: Amps vs Amp modelling and the VG99 in the real world

To clarify your statement of 'don't use the presets' - you're right.
No one who uses any modelled device should ever use the presets - they
are meant to sound good in the store or your bedroom. Crank 'em up and
they're mud. I sold my VG-88 and got a Line 6 Podxt with floorpedal. I
run that through an ADA Microtube power amp and into a 2x12 cabinet
loaded with Celestion 40 watters (I think). 

The first time I trotted the rig out live, it as horrible. Couldn't
hear myself for crap and band thought I sounded bad as well (lousy
tone). To say I was bummed was an understatement. Then I learned about
Fletcher-Munson, setting up patches at concert level, and post-eq. All
is good in the world. My tone is phat, my mates are happy and more
importantly, I really enjoy playing out live. 

Here's the big advantage that a modelling amp has over non-modelled,
in my opinion. I can record guitar tracks so much more quickly,
especially with the POD than ever before. 

Those of you who have children know what I'm talking about. When you
only have 20 minutes, you have to act and act fast. I don't have tons
of time to experiement with mic position, eq etc. like you need to on
a 'regular amp'

So, while I think there is certainly merit for both types of amps
live, in the studio, there is no competition. 

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Orren Merton | 1 Mar 2008 18:08

Re: Amps vs Amp modelling and the VG99 in the real world


On Mar 1, 2008, at 1:13 AM,  "archie" archieaa <at> earthlink.net  
archieaa1 wrote:

> Tubes, Transistors, and Modeling amps? Guess what, You're still going
> to sound like yourself. Your touch, your timing, your vibrato, your
> phrasing, Etc. These are unique to you and have a great effect on your
> tone.

Argh!  But what if I don't want to sound like myself??  Where can I  
buy a Talent plug-in for Logic Pro??? ;)

Seriously for a moment, there's a place for all of this stuff.  I  
have an arsenal of modelers—I have most AU and RTAS modelers  
available, as well as a hardware DigiTech GSP1101 (which sounds  
really good, BTW).  So I'm loaded with models.

Yet my amp of choice for recording at home is a tube amp, my precious  
Egnater MOD50.  For those not familiar with the Egnater MOD series,  
it's as close as you can get to a "tube modeling amp."  The preamp  
sections of the amp is modular, so you can swap between preamp  
modules with various voicing.  I have modules voiced like unique  
Egnater amps, marshalls, mesa boogies, fenders, and voxes.  The amp  
sure costs a lot more money than a $149 amp modeling plug-in, but it  
sounds better, too.  http://www.egnater.com/main.htm

That said, my album has a combination of both tube amp and modeling  
amp goodness (http://www.emberafter.com).  Both serve their purpose,  
both are tools in my arsenal, both sound great.
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James | 2 Mar 2008 00:52
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Re: Amps vs Amp modelling and the VG99 in the real world

As for getting your tone I'll repeat a story I've told elsewhere, maybe 
even here.  A few months back we had an old rocker from the 60's show up 
at one of our jams.  Named Ron.  Ron could utterly shred a guitar; I 
thought he was playing through one of the small but very expensive 
boutique amps that are available.  I went over to check it out later and 
it was a solid state Fender 25R; about $125 at Sam Ash.  Sure as h*ll 
surprised me...

James

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> Tubes, Transistors, and Modeling amps? Guess what, You're still going
> to sound like yourself. Your touch, your timing, your vibrato, your
> phrasing, Etc. These are unique to you and have a great effect on your
> tone. Your are also forgetting about a very important part of the
> feedback loop. Your Brain. You make a sound on the guitar, it travels
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sonicvoyager | 2 Mar 2008 03:40
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Re: ROM Cards for the GR-50

BTW, the D110/D10/D20 convert function will only download   tones and 
timbres, not patches. Therefore, when scrolling htrough patches it will appear that 
the tones have not been downloaded. You will neet to go into patch edit mode to 
access the tones and timbres, at which point you can save them as patches. 
The download screen should read "Convert Load From D-10/20/110" for the GR-50 to 
accept the D-10 card. I have a D-10 ROM card and have done this myself 
before.

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zee3ee | 2 Mar 2008 12:56
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Don Mock synth


Hi group,
                I had watched the Don Mock video a few times and thought it 
was quite good, it  turns out the guitar is on ebay

 
_http://tinyurl.com/24zfr5_ (http://tinyurl.com/24zfr5)  

 
_http://tinyurl.com/25bue9_ (http://tinyurl.com/25bue9)  

Ebay number 130202590146

 
Cheers,  Paul

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Mark Valentino | 2 Mar 2008 17:11
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Re: Re: Amps vs Amp modelling and the VG99 in the real world

I've gone back and forth with tube amps and modellers and I now use a Tonelab SE into a tech 21 powerengine 60. 
My parker guitar stereo output is also plugged into a Fender Acoustic amp. Great setup for me. I can get an
amazing amount of sounds with this setup.  No one is really wrong in this thread.  Tube amps DO sound better
but if you need a variety like I do, then modeling is the way to go.  You don't need a Variax into a VG99 to play
nothing but SRV and Hendrix all night.  Your gig should tell you what's best for you.  

  The Line 6 gear is getting better.  I bought one of their first amps and it broke down in the middle of a gig.  It
was a pain in the ass to get fixed.  The stuff I hear now is better and I don't hear about them breaking down. 
That's good.  

  The clubs I play in now make tube amps impractical.  I had a great Carvin Bel Air tube amp.  It was always too loud
for the rest of the band and yes it was heavy.  I also had to deal with a slew of stompboxes .  Set up time in a club
is very limited and my tonelab/tech 21 setup is easy.  I guess that makes me lazy but customers in a bar don't
want happy hour interupted by a 2 hour band soundcheck.  My band has learned to get our stuff up and running in
a minimum amount of time.

  Id love to try the VG99.  That pickup added to my guitar would make my Parker look like something out of a
science fiction movie, but what the hell.  best to all of you.  Keep live music alive!!!

James <res075oh <at> verizon.net> wrote:
          As for getting your tone I'll repeat a story I've told elsewhere, maybe 
even here. A few months back we had an old rocker from the 60's show up 
at one of our jams. Named Ron. Ron could utterly shred a guitar; I 
thought he was playing through one of the small but very expensive 
boutique amps that are available. I went over to check it out later and 
it was a solid state Fender 25R; about $125 at Sam Ash. Sure as h*ll 
surprised me...

James
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gregor_malecha | 2 Mar 2008 18:52
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Re: Don Mock synth

Hi Paul, 

thanks for sharing these links. 

When I saw his video on youtube last year January (after it was 
mentioned here in the group) I had noticed his strange string setup 
for the upper neck, the bridge being so close to the end of the 
fingerboard, and I was wondering how this could be...

Now in the ebay description (together with the pics) it's all well 
explained and understandable: 

"strings and frets electrically wired" 

"the strings just have to make contact with the frets to trigger the 
synth" 

"The analog technology at the time, however, only allowed for single 
notes, restricting dynamics and chords from being played..."

:^) Greg

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Ronald Lemos | 3 Mar 2008 02:41
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Re: ROM Cards for the GR-50

Bruce,

Thanks for the tip on needing to go into patch edit mode. This was the
missing piece for me after I loaded in a D-10 ROM card.

Best wishes,

Ron

>BTW, the D110/D10/D20 convert function will only download   tones and
>timbres, not patches. Therefore, when scrolling htrough patches it will
>appear that
>the tones have not been downloaded. You will neet to go into patch edit
>mode to
>access the tones and timbres, at which point you can save them as patches.
>The download screen should read "Convert Load From D-10/20/110" for the
>GR-50 to
>accept the D-10 card. I have a D-10 ROM card and have done this myself
>before.
>
>Bruce
>
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Timothy Kelly | 3 Mar 2008 05:48
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Re: Re: Amps Fender GDec and Vamp Amp 2.

Hi All,
   I have had both my Fender GDec, the bigger one, and
my Beringer Vamp Amp 2, the bright blue guitar body
shaped modeling gadget for a year now. 

   The GDec does a surprising good job of modeling the
complete Fender Amp line of the last few decades. The
most popular Fender Amps, especially if you take the
time to learn how to setup/program some custom amps to
your liking. Using the Create Your Own Fender Amp
Model features. 

   I can not say I use all the midi gadget features of
the GDec yet. But I did  buy the big LCD Footswitch
because I could not read the LCD Panel on the front of
the amp unless I put the amp on an amp stand. If you
are into gadget amps or do a lot of recording,
teaching, and dont want to haul around a van of
different Fender Amps, check out the best GDec. Its a
lot of fun and musicly useful. 

   The Beringer VAmp2 never fails to catch peoples eye
and using it could not be easier, since you get turn
all the selection knobs to whatever amp models and
multi effects you want. The VAmp2 also comes with two
nice big pedals, which is important to me because I
wear a size 13 shoe and todays puny small stomp boxes
are not made for anyone with big feet. 

   After all these decades of giant amps etc, I am
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