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unlunf | 2 Sep 2007 07:02
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Re: Famous drum break - was SLOW GOLD guitar software

moonie,

> The author of that piece isn't claiming that the "beat" is originally  
> from that record. 

Small wonder.  It's obvious that Nate H. hasn't ever listened to The
Ventures early material.  A close inpsection should reveal at least
one potential source of The Winston's riff. <g>

> [without any recognition of the rights of the musicians who recorded it]

Again, it's hard to tell who holds the original rights for a singular
recording of something so common in the drummer's repertoire.  Howie
Johnson wasn't the first to do this, I'm sure, I'm only saying that he
was the first that I heard do it, on a record (starting in '60, then
repeatedly throughout his short stay with the group).  Since then, I've
heard so many others do it, or something so similar, that I would be the
last person to make a definitive claim as to who originally authored
the riff.

in re: Udo's remarks;
I wasn't aware of anything coming from Europe at that time, but later,
while in the Army in the mid 60's, and stationed in Germany, the beat
was very popular both live and on records from all over the world.
I'd be very hard pressed to give The Winstons credit for the original
conception..... sorry, Nate. <sad smile>

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unlunf | 2 Sep 2007 07:51
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Re: SLOW GOLD guitar software

> Kevin Mcfarland <kevin <at> ...> wrote:
>
> ........... A lot of them (like me) are small one-person shops,
> barely making ends meet.
>
> I think both Slow Gold and Amazing Slow Downer fall into that  
> category (small, one or two-person shops).
>

True, at least as far as SlowGold goes. That's Warren Sirota, who happens
to hang out on another forum of mine, elsewhere in webspace.

While SlowGold may be "deficient" for some of you in terms of file formats
it can handle, the fact is, all of them except one degrades the contents
somewhat - wav files are the only "perfect" representation of whatever was
recorded, bit for bit - no compression.  The rest of them are all some form
of compression in order to reduce file size.

I've no argument with that, they serve a valid purpose, but when it comes
to manipulating the bits that make up a piece of music, the program just
flat needs all the data it can get, or else the results will be poor indeed.
To put it in old-school geek terms "garbage in, garbage out".  Compressed
files simply won't have enough information with which a 'slow downer' can
work successfully.

That's why Warren chose to not expand his original repertoire beyond wav
files (excepting the newer version that can handle mp3 files).  Have you
ever noticed the drop in sound quality when playing one of the other formats,
through a 'slow-downer'? It can be pretty painful, believe me.  Even Slow
Gold suffers on mp3's.
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gregor_malecha | 2 Sep 2007 15:53
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13-pin cables - strain relief & multiple cables

Hi Anya & group, 

I created a folder with annotated photos in the "Photos" section 
http://launch.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/midiguitar/photos/browse/d1fa
where strain relief, as well as multiple cables, is dealt with. 

Have a look there (at the large versions of the pix), it'll give you 
some practical ideas. 

BTW - is what I'm there calling "spiral cable tie" the same thing as 
what others referred to as "snakeskin" ? 

:^) Greg

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> Thank you for info. I wonder what device i can use to
> provide  cable strain relief on the Axon's jack.What
> do you use to keep the cable plugged  tight , it is
> quite heavy and, maybe it is jerking the axon's jack
> all over.
> thank you
> Anya
> 
> --- Marty Cutler <martycutler <at> ...> wrote:
> 
> > Id recommend putting some strain relief on the
> > cable--both at the guitar end of the 13-pin connection 
> > and at the Axon end. ...
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midimacmobile@yahoo.com | 2 Sep 2007 19:07
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strain relief & multiple cables

  the diffirence between spiral and snakeskin is ... 
         spiral - plastic in a spiral/wrap around form
   snakeskin - a tough, flexable, material tubing,
usually nylonish

is "spiral cable tie" the same thing as
what others referred to as "snakeskin" ? 

       
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James | 2 Sep 2007 19:10
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Re: SLOW GOLD guitar software

I obviously have a lot to learn.  So I should have used a wav file 
format when I ripped the cd's???  I don't remember making a choice; and 
would have thought I had whatever the default happened to be.

I do have quite a few mp3 music files.  At one time I had a large 
collection of music tapes; but after saving what I wanted I gave all of 
them away.  So I don't have anything with which I can make a wav file 
directly.  I guess the converter you mentioned would probably convert to 
wav; but if the data detail was lost in the original copy/rip process 
then it is gone for good.

I think Warren may be on this list from time to time; as I seem to 
remember running into him.

Thanks for the info.

James

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MoonCaine | 2 Sep 2007 21:27
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Re: Re: SLOW GOLD guitar software

On Sep 2, 2007, at 1:10 PM, James wrote:

> I obviously have a lot to learn.  So I should have used a wav file
> format when I ripped the cd's???

The short version is: use WAV when you want the cleanest, purest copy  
of the song from CD. Use MP3 when you don't mind a lower quality of  
audio, but do want to save space on your computer and fit more songs  
on it.

The WAV format works best with slow-downer programs, according to  
Unlunf. That makes sense. So if your goal is to make that song work  
in SLOW GOLD, WAV is a good format.

If your goal is to fit lots and lots of songs on your computer, it's  
OK to use other formats like MP3. We just want you to realize that  
the process of making that smaller music file means degrading the  
audio. How picky you are about audio quality is entirely up to you.  
If you want more tips, let me know -- I have done such work  
professionally for many years.

> I do have quite a few mp3 music files.  At one time I had a large
> collection of music tapes; but after saving what I wanted I gave  
> all of
> them away.  So I don't have anything with which I can make a wav file
> directly.

No need to pay for that; many programs do it for free. iTunes does  
it, and I think we saw an email telling us RealPlayer does it, too.  
There are many more.
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MoonCaine | 2 Sep 2007 21:16
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Re: Re: SLOW GOLD guitar software

Warren rocks! He's a MIDI guitar hero who was writing about it in  
magazines about 20 years ago, teaching us lots and giving us great  
ideas. Warren is cool!

--moonie

On Sep 2, 2007, at 1:51 AM, unlunf wrote:

> True, at least as far as SlowGold goes. That's Warren Sirota, who  
> happens
> to hang out on another forum

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MoonCaine | 2 Sep 2007 21:15
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My point about iTunes was mainly this: it's free, works great and  
converts audio files for you, even long lists if you want to tell the  
computer to do those while you go away or do something else on your  
computer.

--moonie

On Sep 2, 2007, at 1:51 AM, unlunf wrote:

> You want a freebie audio format converter?

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MoonCaine | 2 Sep 2007 21:37
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Re: Re: Famous drum break - was SLOW GOLD guitar software

On Sep 2, 2007, at 1:02 AM, unlunf wrote:
> Small wonder.  It's obvious that Nate H. hasn't ever listened to The
> Ventures early material.  A close inpsection should reveal at least
> one potential source of The Winston's riff. <g>

The Ventures! I love that stuff. Yeah, I can easily imagine that,  
from my dim memory of Ventures records. I could also easily imagine  
Ringo Starr playing that break in the early 1960s.

>> [without any recognition of the rights of the musicians who  
>> recorded it]
>
> Again, it's hard to tell who holds the original rights for a singular
> recording of something so common in the drummer's repertoire.

Right, but Nate's point isn't about who invented the beat, it's about  
the rights attached to a single *recording*, by the Winstons. That  
snippet of audio has been used over and over with no credit, no  
royalties. Few people even knew what record it was sampled from,  
because, as Nate explained, that snippet of audio was sold and  
resold, uncredited, on collections of samples and drum loops. Nate's  
point is to show off that he found the original record it came from.  
It's definitely a bit of a boast for his "chin-stroking art crowd" [I  
enjoyed that phrase; it says a lot about the video and its author,  
doesn't it?].

He talks too long and overdoes it, but that's what chin-stroking is  
all about -- being a professor and professing to the rest of us, no?

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