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Tim Llewellyn | 1 Jun 2004 21:28
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Roland Phantom XR


Anyone tried one of these for MIDI guitar yet? On the surface it
looks like a nice module for looping/sampling live audio as well
as yer baisic rompler thing with more sounds/features/ROM/RAM than
before. All in a 1U format with a 1/2 gig card slot for backups.

Shame there's not a second MIDI in,only seems to be 16 part multitimbral
as far as I can see (just confirmed by checking the small print).

regards

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Joe Khejl | 2 Jun 2004 00:04
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Re: Roland Phantom XR

--- In midiguitar <at> yahoogroups.com, "Tim Llewellyn"
<tim.llewellyn <at> b...> wrote:
> 
> Anyone tried one of these for MIDI guitar yet? On the surface it
> looks like a nice module for looping/sampling live audio as well
> as yer baisic rompler thing with more sounds/features/ROM/RAM than
> before. All in a 1U format with a 1/2 gig card slot for backups.
> 
> Shame there's not a second MIDI in,only seems to be 16 part
multitimbral
> as far as I can see (just confirmed by checking the small print).
> 
> regards

I'm waiting for this unit to show up at my local Guitar Center for an
audition. I'm looking at it not for MIDI guitar work, but as a part of
a home studio revamping I'm going thru right now. It does look like a
juicy synth filled with lots of potential. Yeah, 2 MIDI ins would have
been nice for the 128 voice setup. I guess only Emu has the guts to do
that on my P2K!

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dudichdir | 2 Jun 2004 08:05
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news from the land of rising sun

This is not directly related to technicalities of midi controllers.

The interesting (not really) news is that Tokyo is a deserted place 
where people do not know what AX100 is. This product is supposedly 
sold in Nagoya. And I feel it would be stupid to buy something from a 
remote place, without trying it out and then what if the unit breaks 
down a little later?

Shops in tokyo are not too familiar with Yamaha G50 so they do not 
keep the stuff. Yamaha guys themselves do not know who would sell G50 
in tokyo and mentioned pls order it from so-and-so shops. This 
ordering process takes 2-5 days. Moreover, the same story - when I 
cannot try G50 before purchasing why should I buy it blindly?

So the last option is GI-20. This is sold everywhere. So I went to a 
famous place called Laox musical instruments shop and asked for a 
demo. It was not connected so they started working on this 
new 'assignment'. They managed to misconfigure it so nicely that all 
the time fifth string played the synth sound, rest others played 
piano all the time. I switched off GI-20 and powered it back on and 
then the guitar stopped making any sound. Three people from the shop 
fiddled with the guitar, pickup, GI-20 on a trial & error basis - the 
wait would have been endless...

Finally I told them that I would be back after 3-4 days. And they 
were very happy to get rid of a potential customer :)

Arun

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Joe Khejl | 3 Jun 2004 00:21
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Re: news from the land of rising sun

--- In midiguitar <at> yahoogroups.com, "dudichdir" <dudichdir <at> y...> wrote:
>. They managed to misconfigure it so nicely that all 
> the time fifth string played the synth sound, rest others played 
> piano all the time. I switched off GI-20 and powered it back on and 
> then the guitar stopped making any sound. Three people from the
shop 
> fiddled with the guitar, pickup, GI-20 on a trial & error basis -
the 
> wait would have been endless...
> 
> Finally I told them that I would be back after 3-4 days. And they 
> were very happy to get rid of a potential customer :)
> 
> Arun

Although you are on the other side of the globe, it's amazing how
little things are different from here in the USA when it comes to the
retail market and their inability to properly demo any MIDI guitar
stuff. I've come to the conclusion that only the hell bend dedicated
soul that positivly has to have one buys these things after trying one
out in a retail store. I bought my Axon 100 from Sam Ash here in NYC,
where the salesman didn't even know they carried the thing!!! I was
lucky enough to play the Yamaha G50 at an AES convention, so that
provided me with the hands on demo of the technology. I'm sure most
people end up buying their choice thru word of mouth recommondation
rather than actually playing all the available units and judging them
evenly. It makes places like this site a gold mine for the beginners
to find out the real pros and cons of all the current hardware.
Although we're good for at least one good "AXON vs ROLAND" flame war
every few months this is a good source of info on all things MIDI
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Udo van der Meer | 3 Jun 2004 02:03

Re: news from the land of rising sun

Hi,

I noticed from your post that you live in Japan.

Do you know any Japanese music stores that ship overseas and have a website showing
prices (at least in part) in English ?

I dealt with "Sound on Sound" a few years ago, but the website has disappeared.

By coincidence, I came across the website of a company with several stores  recently,
that also listed 2nd hand gear, but forgot to save the URL).

Thanks,
Udo

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Tim Llewellyn | 3 Jun 2004 15:59
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Re: Roland Phantom XR

--- In midiguitar <at> yahoogroups.com, "Joe Khejl" <joekhejl <at> e...> wrote:

> Yeah, 2 MIDI ins would have
> been nice for the 128 voice setup. I guess only Emu has the guts to do
> that on my P2K!

I think Yamaha do that too. You need the extra multitimbrality on the
p2k anyway because it doesn;t have drum sets ike the Rolands do, so
doing drums eats MIDI channels. 

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Tim Llewellyn | 3 Jun 2004 16:07
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Re: news from the land of rising sun

--- In midiguitar <at> yahoogroups.com, "dudichdir" <dudichdir <at> y...> wrote:
> This is not directly related to technicalities of midi controllers.
> 
> The interesting (not really) news is that Tokyo is a deserted place 
> where people do not know what AX100 is. This product is supposedly 
> sold in Nagoya. And I feel it would be stupid to buy something from a 
> remote place, without trying it out and then what if the unit breaks 
> down a little later?
> 
> Shops in tokyo are not too familiar with Yamaha G50 so they do not 
> keep the stuff. Yamaha guys themselves do not know who would sell G50 
> in tokyo and mentioned pls order it from so-and-so shops. This 
> ordering process takes 2-5 days. Moreover, the same story - when I 
> cannot try G50 before purchasing why should I buy it blindly?
> 
> So the last option is GI-20. This is sold everywhere. So I went to a 
> famous place called Laox musical instruments shop and asked for a 
> demo. It was not connected so they started working on this 
> new 'assignment'. They managed to misconfigure it so nicely that all 
> the time fifth string played the synth sound, rest others played 
> piano all the time. I switched off GI-20 and powered it back on and 
> then the guitar stopped making any sound. Three people from the shop 
> fiddled with the guitar, pickup, GI-20 on a trial & error basis - the 
> wait would have been endless...
> 
> Finally I told them that I would be back after 3-4 days. And they 
> were very happy to get rid of a potential customer :)
> 

MIDI guitar is low volume technology so not widespread and does
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dudichdir | 4 Jun 2004 04:23
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Re: news from the land of rising sun

This is the only one I have found so far with info in English
   http://www.ishibashi-music.com/

Arun

--- In midiguitar <at> yahoogroups.com, Udo van der Meer 
<u.vandermeer <at> m...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I noticed from your post that you live in Japan.
> 
> Do you know any Japanese music stores that ship overseas and have a 
website showing
> prices (at least in part) in English ?
> 
> I dealt with "Sound on Sound" a few years ago, but the website has 
disappeared.
> 
> By coincidence, I came across the website of a company with several 
stores  recently,
> that also listed 2nd hand gear, but forgot to save the URL).
> 
> Thanks,
> Udo

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widoworx | 4 Jun 2004 07:00
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[CONTENT] Re: OT. Through-necks

Here are a couple more.  I believe the first year of the "SG Les 
Paul", 1961, that this was a neck through model.  Ed Roman has an 
article about the most famous of this model, the Fool painted guitar 
used by Clapton in Cream and Todd Rundgren after that.

All Alembics from 1970 until the Epic model were neck through, 
including the 1976 6 and 12 string Series the Greg Lake used on the 
Works tour (and happens to be in my studio.)

The BC Rich's come in the Mid Seventies, mostly 75 or later.  The 
Bich, Mockingbird and Seagulls were all neck through orginally.

By the way, neck through and pitch convertors are not always a good 
combination.  Almost all of them have dead spots.....

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> He hold many patents.
> 
> And an all round nice guy too.. 
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Matt Picone | 4 Jun 2004 15:08

RE: [CONTENT] Re: OT. Through-necks

> Ed Roman 

Don't say it two more times or he might appear... ;)

-m <at> 

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