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legosynth | 1 May 2003 02:52
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Re: Live Performance ... Best Synth?

I may have been vague in the above post.

I use a Rocktron All Access to control my rig (Triaxis, Replifex, 
Intelifex and Roland GR-33).  I would like to upgrade to have the 
ability to use other sound modules as mentioned above.  I am hearing 
that the GR-33 does not work well with sound modules so I feel I am 
only left to upgrade.  Knowing this ... which of the 3 (GI-20, G50, 
AX-100) would be best suited for this type of situation.

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Randy Hammon | 1 May 2003 02:59

Re: Axon v.s. Roland

steve wrote:
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> also some of the random note glitches can be due to gtr setup, you don't
> have to have a BMG(you guys don't mind being used as a quality reference do
> you...) but a mexican strat w/ a Gk on it is going to have inherent
> problems, richard from rmc has made this point repeatedly, its not about the
> pickup setup but the gtr itself, a well cut nut, clean fretwork, tight neck
> joint and well groomed saddles are requisite none of these come standard on
> fenders or most other factory gtrs

I agree that the guitar plays a role, but I disagree based on a lot of
experience with the mexi-strat necessarily having problems. Both my
american strat and mexican strat are very stable with the roland
controllers but unstable with the axon, i.e. it ain't the guitar's
fault. I didn't do any special setup on those guitars other than making
sure it was right according to my requirements. I admit that the
workmanship on the mexi-strats isn't the same as a BMG, but if it works
it works. I HAVE experienced glitchiness due to the guitar, but it
showed up with both kinds of controllers.

BTW, my friendly local music store just shipped a GI-20 to me. I should
have it tomorrow or friday.

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legosynth | 1 May 2003 02:42
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Live Performance ... Best Synth?

I currently have a GR-33.  I am considering moving to a GI-20, G50 or 
AX-100 and controlling a Korg Triton and a few E-Mu products.  Which 
Midi converter would be best suited for Live Perfomance.

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steve | 1 May 2003 03:06

Re: Axon v.s. Roland

randy, i share many of your axon complaints and I'll bet its more sensitive
to gtr weirdness than a GR, just pointing out something that may be obvious
to you but not everyone

after you have some time on your GI20, send us a review and
compare/contrast, it looks like you'll be the first list member to get one

some of us are curious

steve

ddon 4/30/03 20:59, Randy Hammon at randy <at> trancekat.com wrote:

steve wrote:
> 
> also some of the random note glitches can be due to gtr setup, you don't
> have to have a BMG(you guys don't mind being used as a quality reference do
> you...) but a mexican strat w/ a Gk on it is going to have inherent
> problems, richard from rmc has made this point repeatedly, its not about the
> pickup setup but the gtr itself, a well cut nut, clean fretwork, tight neck
> joint and well groomed saddles are requisite none of these come standard on
> fenders or most other factory gtrs

I agree that the guitar plays a role, but I disagree based on a lot of
experience with the mexi-strat necessarily having problems. Both my
american strat and mexican strat are very stable with the roland
controllers but unstable with the axon, i.e. it ain't the guitar's
fault. I didn't do any special setup on those guitars other than making
sure it was right according to my requirements. I admit that the
workmanship on the mexi-strats isn't the same as a BMG, but if it works
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Shannon Pengelly | 1 May 2003 05:23
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Re: [midi guitar] Axon v.s. Roland

Just my 2 pence...

I use the Axon 100SB with the Axon version of the GK-type hex pickup on my
old (¹62-but sadly no longer vintage...not my fault) Strat.

I have loved the system since Day 1 though it definitely requires tweaking
and fairly regular maintenance/tweaks to keep it tracking at it¹s best.
Keeping the Hex as close to the strings as possible (manual suggests 1mm
though that can be tricky with setup) and spending some real time with the
string gain controls usually does the trick with minimum problems.

I DO believe this system would be EVEN better on a solid top guitar (Les
Paul) etc. as the Hex pickup is sitting on a plastic pickguard, on top of a
hollow pickup cavity in the Strat.

This has to introduce some unwanted resonance to the hex.

I¹m sure (and plan to upgrade to) an RMC type (in bridge) would eliminate a
lot of this body-resonance plus get that ugly box off the front of my Strat.

Body-resonance and such are part of what make the Strat sound so cool to
begin with though and I wouldn¹t trade it for just better tracking.

I use an older K2000 as my external module, rarely use the SB in the Axon.
There IS a definite feel difference in the two but I have learned to adjust
to it...it¹s minimal. The K2000 also has a hidden ³Guitar/Wind Mode² which
changes the order of the MIDI messages processed making it more suited to
guitar synths. I have noticed only a slight improvement with this ³ON² but
it¹s sometimes worse depending on the Patch used. Unfortunately you can¹t
change this mode from patch to patch.....:(
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Randy Hammon | 1 May 2003 07:35

Re: Axon v.s. Roland

steve wrote:
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> randy, i share many of your axon complaints and I'll bet its more sensitive
> to gtr weirdness than a GR, 

A good possibility.

> 
> after you have some time on your GI20, send us a review and
> compare/contrast, it looks like you'll be the first list member to get one

Hi Steve,
Will do.
I buy my guitar synth stuff from Rick at Bananas at large in San
Raphael,CA. He's as passionate as I am in this area. Rick said that
dealers got 1, and wouldn't get any more for a month (wondering how many
computersandmusic got??? they posted email saying they had arrived,
implying more than 1).

I'll play it side-by-side with the GI-10 across a bunch of different
instruments. Might not get to it until this weekend, though. 

Instruments/Patches that are tweaked and work well with a midi guitar
controller; now that's another interesting topic and also is an
important ingredient in a successful guitar synthesizerist's soup.

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-Randy
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Tim Burke | 1 May 2003 10:33
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Gr33 tracking

Hey Steve
Great to hear from you. Appreciate the -- as always -- balanced and
thoughtful response. Some comments follow below:
 > Message: 6
>    Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:30:28 -0400
>    From: steve <studio_t <at> bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Gr33 tracking

> > not too helpful so far eh?

To the contrary!!  Lots of good stuff to think about.

> I've recently migrated to an EMu Esynth to gat better midi response and it
> has helped, when i first got an AX100 a couple years ago(I also bought an
> NGC60 when they first came out and an NGC77 a few years later) i was
trying
> to use a yamaha sy77 and a matrix 100 and samplecell as my target synthes,
> turns out part of my problem was these particular units don't get along
well
> w/ the axon and that information wasn't available at the time, oddly
enough
> I had an old proteus module around so i plugged it in for kicks and it
> worked better than any of the other units,

I find this compatibility issue a really interesting one. Do you have any
theory or info as to why those units wouldn't get along well with the Axon
but would get along better with a Roland, for example? Since they are both
sending midi to a sound module, one would think either would have the same
result. Then again, I know from my own experience, there are other issues
like processing speed of the sound module, for example, which accounts for
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Nik | 1 May 2003 10:46
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Re: Axon v.s. Roland

The more this thread progresses, the more I feel your Axon problems were/are
due to your technique. Not saying your technique is 'wrong, but that the
Axon just can't handle it. I strongly suspect those who love the Axon all
play cleanly with a pick. Those who can't get used to it have other elements
to their technique (fingerpicking, harmonics, lots of damping and stuff)
that the Axon systems just can't follow, and the Rolands can.

Nik

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From: "Randy Hammon" <randy <at> trancekat.com>
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> steve wrote:
> >
> > randy, i share many of your axon complaints and I'll bet its more
sensitive
> > to gtr weirdness than a GR,
>
> A good possibility.
>
> >
> > after you have some time on your GI20, send us a review and
> > compare/contrast, it looks like you'll be the first list member to get
one
>
> Hi Steve,
> Will do.
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Nik | 1 May 2003 10:40
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Re: Re: Live Performance ... Best Synth?

Hi,

What type of guitar and pickup do you use?
DO you play cleanly, with as pick?

Are you having any identifiable problems with the GR?

Nik

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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:52 AM
Subject: [midiguitar] Re: Live Performance ... Best Synth?

> I may have been vague in the above post.
>
> I use a Rocktron All Access to control my rig (Triaxis, Replifex,
> Intelifex and Roland GR-33).  I would like to upgrade to have the
> ability to use other sound modules as mentioned above.  I am hearing
> that the GR-33 does not work well with sound modules so I feel I am
> only left to upgrade.  Knowing this ... which of the 3 (GI-20, G50,
> AX-100) would be best suited for this type of situation.
>
>
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Nik | 1 May 2003 10:52
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Re: Gr33 tracking

It seems Emu synths - certainly older ones - respond very quickly to both
MIDI note messages and MIDI patch change messages, as do Yamaha XG modules.
I have an Emu Morpheus and Emu Ultraproteus, and these and the internal
Yamaha XG sounds respond to my Axon AX100SB noticeably better than my
Wavestation SR, Korg 03R/W (for sale), Evolution EVS-1  and any soft synths
I've tried.

Nik

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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:33 AM
Subject: [midiguitar] Gr33 tracking

> Hey Steve
> Great to hear from you. Appreciate the -- as always -- balanced and
> thoughtful response. Some comments follow below:
>  > Message: 6
> >    Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:30:28 -0400
> >    From: steve <studio_t <at> bellsouth.net>
> > Subject: Re: Gr33 tracking
>
> > > not too helpful so far eh?
>
> To the contrary!!  Lots of good stuff to think about.
>
> > I've recently migrated to an EMu Esynth to gat better midi response and
it
> > has helped, when i first got an AX100 a couple years ago(I also bought
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