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grzinn | 1 Jan 2008 01:21
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Advice Needed: A good MIDI keyboard controller to use with Sibelius

I'm embarrassed to say that I have been an owner of a Kurzweil
2500XS for about 9 years. I am an "electrophobic" and have not managed
to understand nor use the K2500XS during all this time. I am
attempting to begin anew with equipment that is not so intimidating. I
wish to do some writing and arranging of big band charts using
Sibelius. I have seen a lot of negative reviews of M-Audio keyboards on
the internet. I really do need some advice and direction about a simple
rig that I could set up that would not tend to drag me down and bollix
me up into an electronic never land. What MIDI controller (with
weighted keys and after touch) do you recommend?

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DavidBrown99 | 1 Jan 2008 02:28
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RE: Advice Needed: A good MIDI keyboard controller to use with Sibelius

A Kurzweil K2500X
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Sibelius

  I'm embarrassed to say that I have been an owner of a Kurzweil
  2500XS for about 9 years. I am an "electrophobic" and have not managed
  to understand nor use the K2500XS during all this time. I am
  attempting to begin anew with equipment that is not so intimidating. I
  wish to do some writing and arranging of big band charts using
  Sibelius. I have seen a lot of negative reviews of M-Audio keyboards on
  the internet. I really do need some advice and direction about a simple
  rig that I could set up that would not tend to drag me down and bollix
  me up into an electronic never land. What MIDI controller (with
  weighted keys and after touch) do you recommend?

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Jon Stubbs | 1 Jan 2008 03:05
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Re: Advice Needed: A good MIDI keyboard controller to use with Sibelius

I guess if you were thinking about selling your K2500XS
(assuming it's in good shape) you might be able to get
enough for a one of the graded-hammer controllers.
But keeping your K2500XS and using it would be a safe move too.

You may find Sibelius will run more smoothly using the K2500XS
as a sound source than it is running virtual instruments in the box.

But you'll be able to configure Sibelius to use either
depending on how responsive you want it to be.

For big band arranging, you'll probably want to use
Sibelius sounds to check your work, but you may want to
use the K2500's sounds if you are doing real-time input.

If you don't have samples brass or woodwinds, you can
probably find 'em pre-made for Kurzweil so you wouldn't
need to do anything but load them.

Jon

>I'm embarrassed to say that I have been an owner of a Kurzweil
2500XS for about 9 years. I am an "electrophobic" and have not managed
to understand nor use the K2500XS during all this time. I am
attempting to begin anew with equipment that is not so intimidating. I
wish to do some writing and arranging of big band charts using
Sibelius. I have seen a lot of negative reviews of M-Audio keyboards on
the internet. I really do need some advice and direction about a simple
rig that I could set up that would not tend to drag me down and bollix
me up into an electronic never land. What MIDI controller (with weighted
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dhbailey52 | 1 Jan 2008 13:36
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Re: Advice Needed: A good MIDI keyboard controller to use with Sibelius

grzinn wrote:
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> 
> I'm embarrassed to say that I have been an owner of a Kurzweil
> 2500XS for about 9 years. I am an "electrophobic" and have not managed
> to understand nor use the K2500XS during all this time. I am
> attempting to begin anew with equipment that is not so intimidating. I
> wish to do some writing and arranging of big band charts using
> Sibelius. I have seen a lot of negative reviews of M-Audio keyboards on
> the internet. I really do need some advice and direction about a simple
> rig that I could set up that would not tend to drag me down and bollix
> me up into an electronic never land. What MIDI controller (with
> weighted keys and after touch) do you recommend?
> 

Since you already have the Kurzweil, which contains extremely fine 
samples, why buy something new?  Can't you just buy soundbanks and 
install them and use them?  I used to have the original K2000 and only 
got rid of it because it only had 60 unweighted keys and I wanted a full 
88-key weighted keyboard.  I certainly understand how intimidating the 
K2xxx series synths are, but if you search for soundbanks which will 
give you GM-compatibility you might end up with lower expense and 
exactly what you have.

I have the PC88mx (very old model) which I love!  I bought that to 
replace the original K2000, so I definitely understand the desire to 
move to something which you turn on and get all the sounds you want.

Perhaps you should consider one of the Kurzweil PC series -- I don't 
know the current models all that well, but I have the rack-mount PC2r
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Galen Zinn | 1 Jan 2008 06:55
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Advice Needed:.......

So far, I have gotten replies only from folks wanting to buy the  
K2500XS. I did not offer it for sale. I simply implied that it's a  
mountain that I haven't climbed yet. I repeat, I'm looking for advice  
from folks who are experienced with electronic music who are willing  
to help me get up and running. I think I would prefer something  
simpler than the K, but I'll bet there is a simple setup using the K  
with my iMac and Sibelius that would enable me to work on the goal of  
music composition. So, what equipment is worth the $, is less  
expensive than the K, and would set me up to compose music without  
the K? I'm not going to sell the K unless I have to sell it in order  
to use MIDI and a music notation program to compose.
GRiZ

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James Cason | 1 Jan 2008 14:46
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--- grzinn <grzinn <at> astound.net> wrote:

> I'm embarrassed to say that I have been an owner of
> a Kurzweil
> 2500XS for about 9 years. I am an "electrophobic"
> and have not managed
> to understand nor use the K2500XS during all this
> time. I am
> attempting to begin anew with equipment that is not
> so intimidating. I
> wish to do some writing and arranging of big band
> charts using
> Sibelius. I have seen a lot of negative reviews of
> M-Audio keyboards on
> the internet. I really do need some advice and
> direction about a simple
> rig that I could set up that would not tend to drag
> me down and bollix
> me up into an electronic never land. What MIDI
> controller (with
> weighted keys and after touch) do you recommend?
> 
> 

All you really need with Sibelius is a good controller
so that you can key in the notes and chords. NONE of
the extra bells and whistles on your present K2500XS
are needed.  You will not gain any simplicity by using
a controller only keyboard.
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Lee Sebel | 1 Jan 2008 16:06
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Re:Advice Needed: A good MIDI keyboard controller to use with Sibelius

I heartily endorse DavidBrown99's brilliant response.

The OP owns one of the finest electronic keyboards ever made,
and it is perfectly suited to the task at hand.

Even an admitted electrophobe should be able to connect a MIDI cable.

Plenty of resources available right here when it comes to particular
parameter settings to enhance the overall experience.

Syncerely,

Lee Sebel aka Voltz / 801-558-9355
Sales / Development / Evangelism
KeyToSound Audio Technology
"You...heard right!"

www.keytosound.com

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les_lmbrt | 1 Jan 2008 16:36
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Mother Keyboard choice

The solution to your problem lies in identifying the difficulties (Grasshopper).

You don't overtly state but I assume you're trying to make large arrangements using MIDI 
only. And not get lost in somebody elses operating system
This isn't something that everybody takes to, regardless of what they "want".

My own case is unusual, but covers the main issues.
(feel free to skip this bit if it upsets/bores you)
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Played for years in covers bands, got the sixties experience (now fortunately unavailable) . 
Had jobs in music store, electronic maintenance,PA, tour management, studio equipment 
hire, studio maintenance, studio construction and destruction.

Learned Studio technology as it happened 1963 to now. Got to be good surely.
Sidetracked for 15 years doing live sound,practicing piano, raising family, losing hair etc.
Did synths pre MIDI, got into MIDI early, watched the pioneers, talked to them about it, 
what stuff, how to etc. Brilliant.
Continued spending until the money ran out, didn't re-equip just to get the latest. Great.
Thought I was making good progress. Lots of admin and in depth software operational 
detail. 
Never really got anything worth having musically once MIDI was involved.
Got into HD editing very early, Digital Tape large and medium format, all the stuff you 
read about. 
Gets very detailed here, takes lots of time and effort. Computers take over the planet, 
humans flee clutching sobbing infants, dogs run by with strings of sausages clamped in 
their jaws, giant Gorillas climb tall buildings.

All of this stuff was done full time, getting paid for learning, instructing, problem solving.
Music was a full time pursuit, consumed money, but no great music resulted.
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fredholmes01851 | 1 Jan 2008 21:30
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Kurzweil K2500r + for sale $500

Lowell MA

Kurzweil K2500r rack mount synth with all ROMS , full Pram OS 3.02.
(No KDFX or Sampler) Also comes with external scsi cd-rom and 2
external scsi hard drives - all scsi cables and pci scsi card. All
factory disks and manuals. Little used in non smoking home studio.
Will also throw in Alesis MidiVerb 4 signal processor

Email or Call Fred  <at>  978-454-6678

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Martin Demsky | 1 Jan 2008 22:29
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Some my K2xxx programs

Hello, 

i am working on my programs sometimes inspired by character of  Virus/Nord sound, here is some of selected
programs that in my opinion doesn't sound bad. 
Feel free to use sounds and comment my effort... i wish happy new year :)

www.demsky.sk/DEMSKY.KRZ

 
Martin Demsky 

P.S.: Sounds uses mod wheel as filter, Controller for resonance or other  things, 
some of them require old digitech effect unit for correct sound. 

       
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