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Oliver Sampson | 11 Apr 2002 00:34

multiple simultaneous program changes

Howdy,
I'm looking for a way to change midi programs on multiple devices in
my live rig simultaneously.  I was thinking that there was a MIDI
Router that did this (the JL Cooper MSB Rev 2, maybe?), but none of
the ones I've spent the last few hours looking for, send MIDI program
changes on the fly.

I don't know if the following device exists, but it sure would be
great if it did, and if somebody could tell me about it, since I can't
seem to find it on my own.

I'd like a MIDI router independent of a computer that responds to
program change messages, and when changing programs, begins to send
programmed program changes (or even SysEx would be better, eh!) on the
out streams.  Each program would also have recallable routing,
filtering, etc. Does this device exist?  

If this device doesn't exist, can I use the sequencer in my K2500RS to
send program change messages on the different MIDI out channels?

Many thanks,
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Marsiglio, Clifford | 11 Apr 2002 01:17
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RE: multiple simultaneous program changes

> Oliver writes:
> 
> I'd like a MIDI router independent of a computer that 
> responds to program change messages, and when changing 
> programs, begins to send programmed program changes (or even 
> SysEx would be better, eh!) on the out streams.  Each program 
> would also have recallable routing, filtering, etc. Does this 
> device exist?  
> 
> If this device doesn't exist, can I use the sequencer in my 
> K2500RS to send program change messages on the different MIDI 
> out channels?

Yeah, the sequencer would be perfect for this sort of thing.  You can either
record your MIDI Changes (the easiest way, but sloppy) or simply program in
the program changes from the event editor.  You probably want to record the
events first to make sure you know how your other machines will react to the
change.  For instance, a program change on the Kurzweil is accomplished
(err...in default mode I believe) by sending 2 program changes...these tell
it first the bank and then the program.  Others do it differently and may
even require a CC value to provide the bank (few do it that way anymore
though).  Record the key presses you need, and figure out how each synth is
receiving them...and then program them yourself.  

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Yash | 11 Apr 2002 11:52
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RE: multiple simultaneous program changes

Maybe you could try a hardware sequencer.

Yash.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oliver Sampson [mailto:olsam <at> quickaudio.com]> 
> 
> Howdy,
> I'm looking for a way to change midi programs on multiple devices in
> my live rig simultaneously. 

> I'd like a MIDI router independent of a computer that responds to
> program change messages, and when changing programs, begins to send
> programmed program changes (or even SysEx would be better, eh!) on the
> out streams.  Each program would also have recallable routing,
> filtering, etc. Does this device exist?  

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Yash | 11 Apr 2002 12:54
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Something to look out for?

Q: What's the link between Jordan Rudess (uses the K2600 a lot), Mike Garson
and David Bowie?

A: 'Heathen'

I like both Rudess and Garson from the little I've heard of them, the first
from a Dream Theater song and some of the K series demoes, and the second
from the '1. Outside' album which is one of my favourites.

More at:

http://music.yahoo.com/launch/news/launch/story.html?a=n/music/launch/news/l
aunch/rock/20020410/26/p1&b=n/music/launch/news/launch/rock/20020410/26/p2

To anyone who has listened to 'Earthling' and 'Hours', could you send me
your appreciation of these albums directly?

Thanks,

Yash.

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Oliver Sampson | 11 Apr 2002 13:50

Re: Firewire or USB to SCSI

On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:23:06 -0500, "Richard Paske"
<rpaske <at> bitstream.net> wrote:

>I am searching for a way to get samples into my K2000 during live gigs. I've
>thought of getting an external CDROM or ZIP drive to attach directly to the
>K2000 SCSI port, but am also interested in the possibility of using a
>Firewire- or USB-to-SCSI converter from my VAIO laptop on which I am
>currently running Sonar. The VAIO-to-SCSI option would allow me to use its
>internal hard drive and CDRW as storage space for my K2000 samples, as well
>as keeping the equipment cartage somewhat lighter since the SCSI converters
>are smaller than an external CDROM or ZIP drive. This AM at CompUSA I saw
>two Belkin pieces: a USB-to-SCSI for $120 and a Firewire-to-SCSI for $130.
>
>Questions:
>
>1. Has anyone tried one of these converters? If so, do they work with the
>K2000 (I've got OS 3.87)?

I don't have the Belkin, but I have the Xircom USB to SCSI convertor.
I was one of the lucky ones to buy their products two months before
Intel bought them and orphaned all of the products.  WTF?!  But I
digress.

Fundamentally it works fine for small file transfers.  But when I try
to copy a whole directory I get BSoDd on Win98SE.  I haven't tried it
yet on Win2k, so it could be that the buffer flowthrough is handled
better there.  

Based on knowledge of the USB and Firewire protocols, I'd just go with
the Firewire to SCSI even if it is a tad bit more expensive.  Firewire
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Andrew / subtlerage | 11 Apr 2002 14:45

Selling Kurzweil Analog Synth Collection library

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Rodrigo Saboia Silva | 11 Apr 2002 16:28
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Re: multiple simultaneous program changes

Check out the Digital Instruments MX8.  I think it may do the trick.

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>    Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:34:58 +0200
>    From: Oliver Sampson <olsam <at> quickaudio.com>
>Subject: multiple simultaneous program changes
>
>Howdy,
>I'm looking for a way to change midi programs on multiple devices in
>my live rig simultaneously.  I was thinking that there was a MIDI
>Router that did this (the JL Cooper MSB Rev 2, maybe?), but none of
>the ones I've spent the last few hours looking for, send MIDI program
>changes on the fly.
>
>I don't know if the following device exists, but it sure would be
>great if it did, and if somebody could tell me about it, since I can't
>seem to find it on my own.
>
>I'd like a MIDI router independent of a computer that responds to
>program change messages, and when changing programs, begins to send
>programmed program changes (or even SysEx would be better, eh!) on the
>out streams.  Each program would also have recallable routing,
>filtering, etc. Does this device exist?

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David Day | 11 Apr 2002 16:42
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RE: multiple simultaneous program changes

Oliver

I do not know how this would affect your rig, but I can see a number of ways
of doing this.

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For upto 8 devices you can use Setups to achieve this, sending patch changes
from each zone, and assigning the zones as MIDI channels.  Remember you can
still set a sequencer Song in the Common page, so you are not losing the
sequencer at all.  Once Setup per configuration Song would be about right in
this instance.

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If you want a creative way of doing this using the MIDI sequencer, try this.
For every rig configuration, design a SongStep with one channel devoted to
each device in your rig, and make sure the channel designations are M for
MIDI.  Place your Bank/Patch/Volume/Pan information in each channel in the
stream (I would tend NOT to rely on the initial patch/vol/pan using the
Mixer - for a bunch of reasons).  Once you have put in MIDI patch changes,
you can edit out Bank msgs as required (each device will be different -
watch for errors of -1).  For Sysex you'll need to get the Kurz to record a
Sysex event from another device to get going, cut and paste will then work.
Trim the end event in the list editor to as short a possible - 1 bar may be
about all you need.

You then create a master Song, and call it "RigChange" or something.   Make
sure all channels in this Song are L for Local.  Tie each SongStep in turn,
to the main song, by specifying it as a step in the Arrange page.
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Mike Hall | 11 Apr 2002 21:34
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Re: [VAST] - different response curves for MWheel?

Tim Clarke wrote:

> I'm trying to create some custom 3-layer string patches (soft layer, mf
> layer, and ff layer)  that crossfade smoothly via the mod wheel (MWheel).

I've always wanted to do this with the Mellotron samples...

> Is there any way to customize the MWheel value curve so that the MWheel
> responds in a non-linear way?

Not directly.  MWheel "has" to remain "MWheel" in case other programs,
layers, setups, etc. want to use it at the same time.

> More specifically, I'd like the FF layer
> (with amplitude depth assigned to MWheel) to go from 0 to 127 starting when
> the MWheel is at 3/4 position (what normally might be considered a value of
> around 96) and ending at the uppermost position (127).

> Does that make sense?

Yep!  Beautiful exposition!

> Can anyone help me here?

FUNs, FUNs, FUNs.  They're your friends.

I don't know if there's enough to do exactly what you want,
but it'll be pretty close.  Check into the 'diode' and 'tri'
or 'warp1' FUNs.  They'll let you generate control signals
that are different shapes of the input (in this case, MWheel).
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Kurzrep | 11 Apr 2002 23:16
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Re: [VAST] - different response curves for MWheel?

In a message dated 4/11/2002 2:37:02 PM Central Daylight Time, 
mghall <at> enteract.com writes:

My "steampipe" program already does this.  The Modwheel is used to crossfade 
between 4 layers.  FUNs, FUNs, FUNs.

-Mike Martin
Kurzweil

> Even better, maybe there's a program out there that already does this.
> Anyone?

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