somethingkillingyou | 1 Dec 04:52 2010
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Re: interpertation of levels and time parameters



well... then > this < should be of some help... it's not exactly what you asked for, but it's a starting point... saves you some time with envelopes/lfo times... for amplitude values, you have to check for yourself... you may want to use a vst audio analyzer...

anyway using a noise gate (vst or the real thing) with your k5 and k5m will definitely solve 'floor noise' problems in non-playing parts... instead, the poor SNR produces a particular sound, that I actually think it's part of these old synths' fashion! of course a noise gate won't eliminate the noise that gets summed with the signal, but in the mix you won't notice that too much at all... unless you use your k5 for piano piece music (?!?)...

besides my K5, I also have a K1m, a K4r and a K3... noise-wise, the K5 is the worst one, the K1 being a close second, because 8-bit samples are noisy and have poor dynamic resolution... and it is k1's strongest sonic quality!!! lots of character and actually produces some mellotronic and (...breathy) vocal sounds very well...

all kawai synths (except maybe the old analogs and the k5000) suffer from bad SNR, but they're cool anyway, and they're perfectly usable and have been used in professional recordings of course I think... only that musicians/studios won't tell you they did, because kawai = cheap...
you just have to use some
extra gear (or vst) to have more hi-fi quality when needed.


Fabio

--- In k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, jim michaels <gymmichaels <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Now that I think about it, I did buy them around '87.
>
> I want to emulate it because I am fascinated by additive synth, Fourier
> analysis, etc. Also the sound quality is not the best on these and I want use
> some of these sounds on a CD.
>
>
> Longer term, the direction I am going on is to emulate it so that I understand
> why the sounds sound the way they do. (understanding: best way to trap humans)
> Once understood and emulated, then I plan to branch off and extend.
>
>
>
>
> The most keeping-it-real answer: I just want too. ;)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: somethingkillingyou somethingkillingyou <at> ...
> To: k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
> Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 1:10:10 PM
> Subject: [k5synth] Re: interpertation of levels and time parameters
>
>
> actually, only 23 years old...
>
> why do you want to emulate the k5 when you have 2 of them?
>
> --- In k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, jim michaels gymmichaels <at> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings fellow K5'ers
> >
> > About a year ago I wrote asking about patches etc because I was experimenting
> > with a software simulation of K5. I got a ways along but it doesn't sound
> >quite
> >
> > right. And I'm even more impressed by what my 30 yr old K5 and K5m are able to
> >
> > achieve. Even with careful coding a PC is considerably slower than a K5.
> >
> >
> > None the less, back at it again. It's an obsession. So...
> >
> > I experimented with various ways of interpreting levels of levels of harmonics,
> >
> > parameters in envelopes as linear and various exponential factors. I think the
> >
> > the levels of harmonics are linear and the levels in evelopes are db-ish.
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share the interpretations the parameters.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> > Jim
> >
>


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jim michaels | 1 Dec 08:24 2010
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Re: Re: interpertation of levels and time parameters



Thanks Fabio. That table of times is very helpful. 

I really love my K5. Yet some how, I feel compelled to create something.

Jim

From: somethingkillingyou <somethingkillingyou-whZMOeQn8C0@public.gmane.org>
To: k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 7:52:01 PM
Subject: [k5synth] Re: interpertation of levels and time parameters

 

well... then > this < should be of some help... it's not exactly what you asked for, but it's a starting point... saves you some time with envelopes/lfo times... for amplitude values, you have to check for yourself... you may want to use a vst audio analyzer...

anyway using a noise gate (vst or the real thing) with your k5 and k5m will definitely solve 'floor noise' problems in non-playing parts... instead, the poor SNR produces a particular sound, that I actually think it's part of these old synths' fashion! of course a noise gate won't eliminate the noise that gets summed with the signal, but in the mix you won't notice that too much at all... unless you use your k5 for piano piece music (?!?)...

besides my K5, I also have a K1m, a K4r and a K3... noise-wise, the K5 is the worst one, the K1 being a close second, because 8-bit samples are noisy and have poor dynamic resolution... and it is k1's strongest sonic quality!!! lots of character and actually produces some mellotronic and (...breathy) vocal sounds very well...

all kawai synths (except maybe the old analogs and the k5000) suffer from bad SNR, but they're cool anyway, and they're perfectly usable and have been used in professional recordings of course I think... only that musicians/studios won't tell you they did, because kawai = cheap...
you just have to use some
extra gear (or vst) to have more hi-fi quality when needed.


Fabio

--- In k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, jim michaels <gymmichaels <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Now that I think about it , I did buy them around '87.
>
> I want to emulate it because I am fascinated by additive synth, Fourier
> analysis, etc. Also the sound quality is not the best on these and I want use
> some of these sounds on a CD.
>
>
> Longer term, the direction I am going on is to emulate it so that I understand
> why the sounds sound the way they do. (understanding: best way to trap humans)
> Once understood and emulated, then I plan to branch off and extend.
>
>
>
>
> The most keeping-it-real answer: I just want too. ;)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: somethingkillingyou somethingkillingyou <at> ...
> To: k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
> Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 1:10:10 PM
> Subject: [k5synth] Re: interpertation of levels and time parameters
>
>
> actually, only 23 years ol d...
>
> why do you want to emulate the k5 when you have 2 of them?
>
> --- In k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, jim michaels gymmichaels <at> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings fellow K5'ers
> >
> > About a year ago I wrote asking about patches etc because I was experimenting
> > with a software simulation of K5. I got a ways along but it doesn't sound
> >quite
> >
> > right. And I'm even more impressed by what my 30 yr old K5 and K5m are able to
> >
> > achieve. Even with careful coding a PC is considerably slower than a K5.
> >
> >
> > None the less, back at it again. It's an obsession. So...
> >
> > I experimented with various ways of interpreting levels of levels of harmonics,
> >
> > parameters in envelopes as linear and various exponential factors. I think the
&gt ; >
> > the levels of harmonics are linear and the levels in evelopes are db-ish.
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share the interpretations the parameters.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> > Jim
> >
>




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