somethingkillingyou | 1 Dec 04:52 2010
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Re: interpertation of levels and time parameters



well... then > this < should be of some help... it's not exactly what you asked for, but it's a starting point... saves you some time with envelopes/lfo times... for amplitude values, you have to check for yourself... you may want to use a vst audio analyzer...

anyway using a noise gate (vst or the real thing) with your k5 and k5m will definitely solve 'floor noise' problems in non-playing parts... instead, the poor SNR produces a particular sound, that I actually think it's part of these old synths' fashion! of course a noise gate won't eliminate the noise that gets summed with the signal, but in the mix you won't notice that too much at all... unless you use your k5 for piano piece music (?!?)...

besides my K5, I also have a K1m, a K4r and a K3... noise-wise, the K5 is the worst one, the K1 being a close second, because 8-bit samples are noisy and have poor dynamic resolution... and it is k1's strongest sonic quality!!! lots of character and actually produces some mellotronic and (...breathy) vocal sounds very well...

all kawai synths (except maybe the old analogs and the k5000) suffer from bad SNR, but they're cool anyway, and they're perfectly usable and have been used in professional recordings of course I think... only that musicians/studios won't tell you they did, because kawai = cheap...
you just have to use some
extra gear (or vst) to have more hi-fi quality when needed.


Fabio

--- In k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, jim michaels <gymmichaels <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Now that I think about it, I did buy them around '87.
>
> I want to emulate it because I am fascinated by additive synth, Fourier
> analysis, etc. Also the sound quality is not the best on these and I want use
> some of these sounds on a CD.
>
>
> Longer term, the direction I am going on is to emulate it so that I understand
> why the sounds sound the way they do. (understanding: best way to trap humans)
> Once understood and emulated, then I plan to branch off and extend.
>
>
>
>
> The most keeping-it-real answer: I just want too. ;)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: somethingkillingyou somethingkillingyou <at> ...
> To: k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
> Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 1:10:10 PM
> Subject: [k5synth] Re: interpertation of levels and time parameters
>
>
> actually, only 23 years old...
>
> why do you want to emulate the k5 when you have 2 of them?
>
> --- In k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, jim michaels gymmichaels <at> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings fellow K5'ers
> >
> > About a year ago I wrote asking about patches etc because I was experimenting
> > with a software simulation of K5. I got a ways along but it doesn't sound
> >quite
> >
> > right. And I'm even more impressed by what my 30 yr old K5 and K5m are able to
> >
> > achieve. Even with careful coding a PC is considerably slower than a K5.
> >
> >
> > None the less, back at it again. It's an obsession. So...
> >
> > I experimented with various ways of interpreting levels of levels of harmonics,
> >
> > parameters in envelopes as linear and various exponential factors. I think the
> >
> > the levels of harmonics are linear and the levels in evelopes are db-ish.
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share the interpretations the parameters.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> > Jim
> >
>


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jim michaels | 1 Dec 08:24 2010
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Re: Re: interpertation of levels and time parameters



Thanks Fabio. That table of times is very helpful. 

I really love my K5. Yet some how, I feel compelled to create something.

Jim

From: somethingkillingyou <somethingkillingyou-whZMOeQn8C0@public.gmane.org>
To: k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 7:52:01 PM
Subject: [k5synth] Re: interpertation of levels and time parameters

 

well... then > this < should be of some help... it's not exactly what you asked for, but it's a starting point... saves you some time with envelopes/lfo times... for amplitude values, you have to check for yourself... you may want to use a vst audio analyzer...

anyway using a noise gate (vst or the real thing) with your k5 and k5m will definitely solve 'floor noise' problems in non-playing parts... instead, the poor SNR produces a particular sound, that I actually think it's part of these old synths' fashion! of course a noise gate won't eliminate the noise that gets summed with the signal, but in the mix you won't notice that too much at all... unless you use your k5 for piano piece music (?!?)...

besides my K5, I also have a K1m, a K4r and a K3... noise-wise, the K5 is the worst one, the K1 being a close second, because 8-bit samples are noisy and have poor dynamic resolution... and it is k1's strongest sonic quality!!! lots of character and actually produces some mellotronic and (...breathy) vocal sounds very well...

all kawai synths (except maybe the old analogs and the k5000) suffer from bad SNR, but they're cool anyway, and they're perfectly usable and have been used in professional recordings of course I think... only that musicians/studios won't tell you they did, because kawai = cheap...
you just have to use some
extra gear (or vst) to have more hi-fi quality when needed.


Fabio

--- In k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, jim michaels <gymmichaels <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Now that I think about it , I did buy them around '87.
>
> I want to emulate it because I am fascinated by additive synth, Fourier
> analysis, etc. Also the sound quality is not the best on these and I want use
> some of these sounds on a CD.
>
>
> Longer term, the direction I am going on is to emulate it so that I understand
> why the sounds sound the way they do. (understanding: best way to trap humans)
> Once understood and emulated, then I plan to branch off and extend.
>
>
>
>
> The most keeping-it-real answer: I just want too. ;)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: somethingkillingyou somethingkillingyou <at> ...
> To: k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
> Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 1:10:10 PM
> Subject: [k5synth] Re: interpertation of levels and time parameters
>
>
> actually, only 23 years ol d...
>
> why do you want to emulate the k5 when you have 2 of them?
>
> --- In k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, jim michaels gymmichaels <at> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings fellow K5'ers
> >
> > About a year ago I wrote asking about patches etc because I was experimenting
> > with a software simulation of K5. I got a ways along but it doesn't sound
> >quite
> >
> > right. And I'm even more impressed by what my 30 yr old K5 and K5m are able to
> >
> > achieve. Even with careful coding a PC is considerably slower than a K5.
> >
> >
> > None the less, back at it again. It's an obsession. So...
> >
> > I experimented with various ways of interpreting levels of levels of harmonics,
> >
> > parameters in envelopes as linear and various exponential factors. I think the
&gt ; >
> > the levels of harmonics are linear and the levels in evelopes are db-ish.
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share the interpretations the parameters.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> > Jim
> >
>




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Michael Dunn | 13 Dec 00:46 2010
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"Super" Memory card

   Hi group. I just joined. My K5 interest is up, as I've just 
resurrected my K5 & K5m. And, I just had an idea. It would be nice to 
have a K5 memory card, but better than the original, such that it had 
higher capacity (8-16 banks maybe), and permanent memory (flash) 
instead of battery RAM (I assume that's what the original uses; I 
don't have one). I could probably design a card like this. Anyone 
interested? I'm guessing I could sell it for somewhere around $90.

Thanks,
Michael

Michael Dunn
Cantares Electronic Design and Consulting
Kitchener, ON, Canada
(519) 744-9395
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Beowolf | 13 Dec 01:42 2010
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RE: "Super" Memory card



Michael,

 

I have worked on many sounds for the K5 and it would really be great to be able to access the majority of them on one card. That truly would be amazing if you think you could do that and I would be very interested. Thanks.

 

Bruce

 

From: k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org [mailto:k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Michael Dunn
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 6:47 PM
To: k5synth-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Subject: [k5synth] "Super" Memory card

 

 

Hi group. I just joined. My K5 interest is up, as I've just
resurrected my K5 & K5m. And, I just had an idea. It would be nice to
have a K5 memory card, but better than the original, such that it had
higher capacity (8-16 banks maybe), and permanent memory (flash)
instead of battery RAM (I assume that's what the original uses; I
don't have one). I could probably design a card like this. Anyone
interested? I'm guessing I could sell it for somewhere around $90.

Thanks,
Michael

Michael Dunn
Cantares Electronic Design and Consulting
Kitchener, ON, Canada
(519) 744-9395
inquiries-qH/SG5LNzKBhvDtVsDKExA@public.gmane.org
http://www.cantares.on.ca/



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Bill Tomlinson | 13 Dec 02:15 2010

super memory card

Put me on the list.

ALSO, please think about using your skills to re-create the Casio RA-6 cartridge, The Yamaha SY-99
sample-memory board, and other impossible to find memory !

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Michael Dunn | 13 Dec 04:32 2010
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Re: super memory card

    At 1:15 AM +0000 12/13/10, Bill Tomlinson wrote:
>ALSO, please think about using your skills to re-create the Casio 
>RA-6 cartridge, The Yamaha SY-99 sample-memory board, and other 
>impossible to find memory !

   Well, I can't really do anything for equipment I don't own. So 
it'll have to be K5-only for now. Is the K5 card used for other 
synths?

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Michael Dunn | 13 Dec 05:01 2010
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LED Backlight

   Has anyone had success with an LED backlight replacement. I tried 
to make one using a thin sheet of Plexiglass, edge-lit with 
high-intensity LEDs, but it didn't work well enough.

   Perhaps very small ones embedded right in the sheet. Or some 
mounted *behind* the PCB, which is pretty translucent. Might have to 
try that...

Michael

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Michael | 13 Dec 06:32 2010
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Re: LED Backlight



> Has anyone had success with an LED backlight replacement. I tried
> to make one using a thin sheet of Plexiglass, edge-lit with
> high-intensity LEDs, but it didn't work well enough.

Maybe if the plexi-glass was roughed up with fine sandpaper, steel wool, or something like that, so that the light would have something to reflect off of.?


Michael





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Michael Dunn | 13 Dec 06:40 2010
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Re: LED Backlight

    At 9:32 PM -0800 12/12/10, Michael wrote:
>  > Has anyone had success with an LED backlight replacement. I tried
>>  to make one using a thin sheet of Plexiglass, edge-lit with
>>  high-intensity LEDs, but it didn't work well enough.
>
>Maybe if the plexi-glass was roughed up with fine sandpaper, steel 
>wool, or something like that, so that the light would have something 
>to reflect off of.?

   That's exactly what I did. I think the concept is workable, but 
better manufacturing is required! Or more LEDs? I had 4 on one edge. 
If I'd been able to put 4 on the other edge too, it would have been 
usable.

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Antoine Deschênes | 13 Dec 12:24 2010
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Re: super memory card

There's an half K5 card (DC-16) used in the K4 and XD5, maybe other 
synths as well.

Those RAM cards were "standard" in industrial apps. I managed to find 
equivalents that could probably be found somewhere in the archives. 
Well, just found it : 38-pin ITT/Fujisoku. If some address pins were 
lifted high on a larger card, that could work out as a multi card. 
They're very hard to find now though. I can't seem to find places where 
it's in stock, but it was still available about 3-4 years ago.

Le 2010-12-12 22:32, Michael Dunn a écrit :
>      At 1:15 AM +0000 12/13/10, Bill Tomlinson wrote:
>> ALSO, please think about using your skills to re-create the Casio
>> RA-6 cartridge, The Yamaha SY-99 sample-memory board, and other
>> impossible to find memory !
>     Well, I can't really do anything for equipment I don't own. So
> it'll have to be K5-only for now. Is the K5 card used for other
> synths?
>
>
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