tuff_gnarl_69 | 3 Aug 04:27 2004
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K5 100% operational ! Thanx a lot

Thanx to all of you who provided info and support, ive finally got 
it workin and im playin some jazzy tunes rite now. 
Dude, i really missed having a keyboard while i was working on it. I 
got the transformer rewinded and i measured and got the psu board to 
work again. Now its practically new, ive even got the backlight 
functioning. 
Its a killer machine !
thanx to all of you again.
nicc. 

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nelsonj_sce | 8 Aug 01:25 2004
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Hello - I just joined

Hey all,
I just joined and wanted to say hello.  I have a k5 on the way and I
should get it this Friday.  Anyway, I was debating about getting the
synth - and my main gripe was that programing all that harmonic
content is very hard.  What made me pull the trigger was this group
when I read up on Leslie Sanford's "Wave Maker" and that he was able
to resynth both the k3 and the DW.  I just can't explain how cool that
is - thanks very much Leslie for doing this.  If Kawai shipped
software like this when they released the K5 Yamaha would have been in
big trouble.  I already loaded up your program (and all the other
nasties you need to run it)  and have been experimenting with some
wave files.  I can't wait to try loading things up when my K5 arrives.

Just a bit more about me, my main axe is a K2000 and I recently got an
Ion (which I just love).  I love to program (the Kuzweil is work, the
Ion is a dream - I fugure without software the K5 basically can't be
programed.) So my setup has samples and VA covered in spades, but I
hope to get some in-your-face digital harshness out of the K5 - I just
don't have that in my set up right now.  If anyone is interested, you
can check out some of my stuff at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/highpantsguys.htm

The last song uses a Kawai K1II (that was stolen shortly after this
recording) I would love to resynth a K1 for the K5! 

Anyway, I use a PC and I am trying to get that Atari Dr. T editor up
and running and am having problems.  The Atari emulator works, but I
don't know how to run the Dr. T files.  That is, do I need to create a
"disk image" or create an Atari drive that has the Dr. T files...if
anyone is running Dr.T and can give me some tips on how to get the
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Leslie Sanford | 8 Aug 21:12 2004
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RE: Hello - I just joined

>I just joined and wanted to say hello.  I have a k5 on the way and I
>should get it this Friday.  Anyway, I was debating about getting the
>synth - and my main gripe was that programing all that harmonic
>content is very hard.

I agree. What I've found, is that when I have a very specific and simple 
sound that I'm going for, I can create the harmonic spectrum by hand fairly 
easily, sounds like bells, marimbas, and a few others. But for anything more 
complex, I take an algorithmic approach to creating the spectrum as a 
starting point and going from there.

>What made me pull the trigger was this group
>when I read up on Leslie Sanford's "Wave Maker" and that he was able
>to resynth both the k3 and the DW.  I just can't explain how cool that
>is - thanks very much Leslie for doing this.

You're welcome!

>If Kawai shipped
>software like this when they released the K5 Yamaha would have been in
>big trouble.  I already loaded up your program (and all the other
>nasties you need to run it)  and have been experimenting with some
>wave files.  I can't wait to try loading things up when my K5 arrives.

Hey, thanks for the compliments! I really appreciate them.

>Just a bit more about me, my main axe is a K2000 and I recently got an
>Ion (which I just love).  I love to program (the Kuzweil is work, the
>Ion is a dream - I fugure without software the K5 basically can't be
>programed.) So my setup has samples and VA covered in spades, but I
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nelsonj_sce | 9 Aug 02:10 2004
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Re: Hello - I just joined

You wrote:
" Cool!! I like the portamento on Flight from Shiria. Very nice!"
Thank you.  That entire song (save the drums) was done with patches I
wrote on my Ion.  The main lead was my attempt at a Tony Banks lead
sound he did with an ARP Qudara.  (The Ion has an ARP filter model.) 

As for the Atari, I was able run both Leslie's Wavemaker - again very
 nice (I like the FM section, it looks very useful.  BTW, is there a
way to "slow down" (i.e. step through) the wave drawer?) - and that k5
Pro editor.  But the Dr. T files don't work.  When I try to unzip them
I get errors (CRC?).  I even went to the original site and downloaded
the files, but they have the same problems.  Anyway, now that I got
that other editor to work I don't really need Dr. T (unless it is just
a lot better.)

Also, I have some spectrum/waveforms in hard copy from the PPG
wavetables, the K1, and the Nord Lead.  It would be nice to resynth
some of these forms "by-hand".  I read here that to translate linear
spectra amplitude to the K5 you have to do a transformation.  Can
anyone (i.e. Leslie)tell me what the exact equation is to do the
transformation?   

Thanks again for all the good stuff on this board and I look forward
to posting with ya'll.  

--- In k5synth@..., "Leslie Sanford" <jabberdabber <at> h...>
wrote:
> >I just joined and wanted to say hello.  I have a k5 on the way and I
> >should get it this Friday.  Anyway, I was debating about getting the
> >synth - and my main gripe was that programing all that harmonic
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Leslie Sanford | 9 Aug 17:28 2004
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RE: Re: Hello - I just joined

>As for the Atari, I was able run both Leslie's Wavemaker - again very
>  nice (I like the FM section, it looks very useful.  BTW, is there a
>way to "slow down" (i.e. step through) the wave drawer?)

Um... not sure. I'm embarrassed to say that I lost the source code to the 
program years ago (I wrote the program when I was just starting out as a 
programmer and was careless), and I haven't looked at programming the Atari 
in probably 5 years.

>Also, I have some spectrum/waveforms in hard copy from the PPG
>wavetables, the K1, and the Nord Lead.

Man, I would love to see those!

>It would be nice to resynth
>some of these forms "by-hand".  I read here that to translate linear
>spectra amplitude to the K5 you have to do a transformation.  Can
>anyone (i.e. Leslie)tell me what the exact equation is to do the
>transformation?

My formula is based on several assumptions:

First, that the K5's dynamic range is around 72db. This may be way off, btw. 
Once source I found puts the partials' dynamic range at around 37.5db 
(http://home.swipnet.se/~w-90557/20_k5.html).

Second, a 10db increase in sound pressure represents a doubling of the 
perceived loudness 
(http://www.audiovideo101.com/dictionary/dictionary.asp?dictionaryid=128).

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Thane | 10 Aug 05:17 2004
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Re: Hello - I just joined

Hi there, I liked your E-mail.  Actually I am expecting my K2000 and was going to sell my K5 to make room for it.  Your E-mail has made me reconsider.  I liked you music too.
 
Didobrain
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 6:25 PM
Subject: [k5synth] Hello - I just joined

Hey all,
I just joined and wanted to say hello.  I have a k5 on the way and I
should get it this Friday.  Anyway, I was debating about getting the
synth - and my main gripe was that programing all that harmonic
content is very hard.  What made me pull the trigger was this group
when I read up on Leslie Sanford's "Wave Maker" and that he was able
to resynth both the k3 and the DW.  I just can't explain how cool that
is - thanks very much Leslie for doing this.  If Kawai shipped
software like this when they released the K5 Yamaha would have been in
big trouble.  I already loaded up your program (and all the other
nasties you need to run it)  and have been experimenting with some
wave files.  I can't wait to try loading things up when my K5 arrives.

Just a bit more about me, my main axe is a K2000 and I recently got an
Ion (which I just love).  I love to program (the Kuzweil is work, the
Ion is a dream - I fugure without software the K5 basically can't be
programed.) So my setup has samples and VA covered in spades, but I
hope to get some in-your-face digital harshness out of the K5 - I just
don't have that in my set up right now.  If anyone is interested, you
can check out some of my stuff at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/highpantsguys.htm

The last song uses a Kawai K1II (that was stolen shortly after this
recording) I would love to resynth a K1 for the K5!

Anyway, I use a PC and I am trying to get that Atari Dr. T editor up
and running and am having problems.  The Atari emulator works, but I
don't know how to run the Dr. T files.  That is, do I need to create a
"disk image" or create an Atari drive that has the Dr. T files...if
anyone is running Dr.T and can give me some tips on how to get the
program started it would be much appreciated.



    



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nelsonj_sce | 10 Aug 05:44 2004
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Re: Hello - I just joined

Leslie wrote:
"Man, I would love to see those!"

Here you go.  I just uploaded some .pdf's and .jpg's in the file
section.  My earlier e-mail was a bit off on what I actually had...

I uploaded
1) 300 waves/spectra from the Waldorf Micro Q in a .pdf.  The file is
very high res and you can zoom in and clearly identify each of the 64
harmonics.  It should be possible to manually translate these waves to
the K5 using something like graph paper and the K5 equation. 

2) A lower res .pdf of all the K1 II waves.  You can not count the
spectra like the Waldorf file, but you can get a good idea of the
harmonic distribution.  I may be able to make a better file, but for
now this is the best I have.  

3) I had the wave shapes, but not the spectra from the Virus (I think
it is the C but I am not sure).  I am not sure how useful this will be
(Wavedraw?) but I thought I would post it anyway.

4) I added a .txt file with some links to more PPG FFT stuff.

This should give people some ideas at least.  I may post one more .zip
file related to the Micro Q if it is not too big.  Have fun.

--- In k5synth@..., "Leslie Sanford" <jabberdabber <at> h...>
wrote:
> >As for the Atari, I was able run both Leslie's Wavemaker - again
very
> >  nice (I like the FM section, it looks very useful.  BTW, is
there a
> >way to "slow down" (i.e. step through) the wave drawer?)
> 
> Um... not sure. I'm embarrassed to say that I lost the source code
to the 
> program years ago (I wrote the program when I was just starting out
as a 
> programmer and was careless), and I haven't looked at programming
the Atari 
> in probably 5 years.
> 
> >Also, I have some spectrum/waveforms in hard copy from the PPG
> >wavetables, the K1, and the Nord Lead.
> 
> Man, I would love to see those!
> 
> >It would be nice to resynth
> >some of these forms "by-hand".  I read here that to translate
linear
> >spectra amplitude to the K5 you have to do a transformation.  Can
> >anyone (i.e. Leslie)tell me what the exact equation is to do the
> >transformation?
> 
> My formula is based on several assumptions:
> 
> First, that the K5's dynamic range is around 72db. This may be way
off, btw. 
> Once source I found puts the partials' dynamic range at around
37.5db 
> (http://home.swipnet.se/~w-90557/20_k5.html).
> 
> Second, a 10db increase in sound pressure represents a doubling of
the 
> perceived loudness 
>
(http://www.audiovideo101.com/dictionary/dictionar
y.asp?dictionaryid=128).
> 
> Third, that the K5's scale is decibel based. This isn't hard to
prove. Just 
> program your standard sawtooth into the K5 using a linear scale, and
you'll 
> hear that it is way too dark.
> 
> And fourth, that a doubling in linear amplitude of a partial
represents a 
> doubling in its perceived loudness. In other words, using the linear
scale, 
> a partial with the amplitude of 10 is twice as loud as a partial
with the 
> amplitude of 5.
> 
> So I worked out a table (excuse the HTML tags if you are reading
this in 
> plain text) to illustrate the conversion:
> 
> <pre>
> db         linear
> 0             1
> 10           2
> 20           4
> 30           8
> 40           16
> 50           32
> 60           64
> 70           128
> 72           147
> </pre>
> 
> I assume that the K5 has 12 bit resolution (again, this could be
off), so 
> that gives me 72.24719896 decibel range. Dividing this by the
number of 
> steps the K5 has, 99, and I get 0.729769686db per step and a maximum
linear 
> amplitude of 149.5744446.
> 
> Say we have a set of partials we want to convert to the K5. To make
this 
> easy, we'll limit the range of the partials' amplitudes to [0,
1.0]. 
> Converting this to the K5 gives us:
> 
> k5Amp = Log2(149.5744446 * partial) * 10 / step
> 
> There are a few assumptions that I've made that could be off.
However, in 
> practise, I've found that this formula works very well. So I'm
satisfied 
> that my formula is a good working approximation of what is needed to
convert 
> linear values to the K5, at least until someone with more knowledge
can 
> provide a better formula. :-)
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nelsonj_sce | 10 Aug 05:56 2004
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Didobrain wrote:
"Actually I am expecting my K2000 and was going to sell my K5 to make
room for it."  You will love the K2000, but the K5 does stuff the
K2000 cannot do.  If you decide to sell your K5, at least make .wav
files of all your favorite sounds first - you can always load the .wav
in to the K2000 later on (but you lose out on all the real-time
modulation of the K5).  If it doesn't have one, make sure you get a
hard drive for the K2000 (I got a 500Mb Mac Drive off e-bay for $10
and it works great and you just need a cable and four screws to mount
it.)   

"I liked you music too." - Thank you.  Ebola V5 Bass, Vibes, Drums,
Memory Moog and lead are all K2000 (but none are "stock" sounds except
the Drums).

--- In k5synth@..., "Thane" <Cthane1 <at> a...> wrote:
> Hi there, I liked your E-mail.  Actually I am expecting my K2000 and
was going to sell my K5 to make room for it.  Your E-mail has made me
reconsider.  I liked you music too.
> 
> Didobrain
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: nelsonj_sce 
>   To: k5synth@... 
>   Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 6:25 PM
>   Subject: [k5synth] Hello - I just joined
> 
> 
>   Hey all,
>   I just joined and wanted to say hello.  I have a k5 on the way and I
>   should get it this Friday.  Anyway, I was debating about getting the
>   synth - and my main gripe was that programing all that harmonic
>   content is very hard.  What made me pull the trigger was this group
>   when I read up on Leslie Sanford's "Wave Maker" and that he was able
>   to resynth both the k3 and the DW.  I just can't explain how cool that
>   is - thanks very much Leslie for doing this.  If Kawai shipped
>   software like this when they released the K5 Yamaha would have been in
>   big trouble.  I already loaded up your program (and all the other
>   nasties you need to run it)  and have been experimenting with some
>   wave files.  I can't wait to try loading things up when my K5 arrives.
> 
>   Just a bit more about me, my main axe is a K2000 and I recently got an
>   Ion (which I just love).  I love to program (the Kuzweil is work, the
>   Ion is a dream - I fugure without software the K5 basically can't be
>   programed.) So my setup has samples and VA covered in spades, but I
>   hope to get some in-your-face digital harshness out of the K5 - I just
>   don't have that in my set up right now.  If anyone is interested, you
>   can check out some of my stuff at:
>   http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/highpantsguys.htm
> 
>   The last song uses a Kawai K1II (that was stolen shortly after this
>   recording) I would love to resynth a K1 for the K5! 
> 
>   Anyway, I use a PC and I am trying to get that Atari Dr. T editor up
>   and running and am having problems.  The Atari emulator works, but I
>   don't know how to run the Dr. T files.  That is, do I need to create a
>   "disk image" or create an Atari drive that has the Dr. T files...if
>   anyone is running Dr.T and can give me some tips on how to get the
>   program started it would be much appreciated.
> 
> 
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Antoine Deschênes | 10 Aug 15:58 2004
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Well, get a 2-synth rack!

Cthane1-bs+DcK7cjk954TAoqtyWWQ@public.gmane.org a écrit:
Hi there, I liked your E-mail.  Actually I am expecting my K2000 and was going to sell my K5 to make room for it.  Your E-mail has made me reconsider.  I liked you music too.
 
Didobrain
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 6:25 PM
Subject: [k5synth] Hello - I just joined

Hey all,
I just joined and wanted to say hello.  I have a k5 on the way and I
should get it this Friday.  Anyway, I was debating about getting the
synth - and my main gripe was that programing all that harmonic
content is very hard.  What made me pull the trigger was this group
when I read up on Leslie Sanford's "Wave Maker" and that he was able
to resynth both the k3 and the DW.  I just can't explain how cool that
is - thanks very much Leslie for doing this.  If Kawai shipped
software like this when they released the K5 Yamaha would have been in
big trouble.  I already loaded up your program (and all the other
nasties you need to run it)  and have been experimenting with some
wave files.  I can't wait to try loading things up when my K5 arrives.

Just a bit more about me, my main axe is a K2000 and I recently got an
Ion (which I just love).  I love to program (the Kuzweil is work, the
Ion is a dream - I fugure without software the K5 basically can't be
programed.) So my setup has samples and VA covered in spades, but I
hope to get some in-your-face digital harshness out of the K5 - I just
don't have that in my set up right now.  If anyone is interested, you
can check out some of my stuff at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/highpantsguys.htm

The last song uses a Kawai K1II (that was stolen shortly after this
recording) I would love to resynth a K1 for the K5!

Anyway, I use a PC and I am trying to get that Atari Dr. T editor up
and running and am having problems.  The Atari emulator works, but I
don't know how to run the Dr. T files.  That is, do I need to create a
"disk image" or create an Atari drive that has the Dr. T files...if
anyone is running Dr.T and can give me some tips on how to get the
program started it would be much appreciated.



    




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