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phonophobie | 2 Jul 2004 01:57
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new owner

hi,
today i received my k5m :)
it is not in very good shape - the backlight is dead and the knobs are
problematic sometimes - well it´s an old synth - i may will repair it
later a little..

however i like the sound of it. compared to my k5000 it sounds more
lofi and a tighter somehow. the filter resonance is cool and i like
the harmonic modulations. but the formantfilter is just a simple tool
i think - there is no modulation or envelope for it like on the k5k.
of course i have to learn more about programming it since it is a bit
different to the k5k. i guess a editor would help  me a little. does
any cool k5 editors excist? i am on pc ...

cheers
phono

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kjtkfuenf | 2 Jul 2004 22:28

Re: new owner

Hi phono,

congratulations for having a new passion. ;)

At the files area here there is an editor iirc, 
if you read through the messages of this group
you'll find some help for getting an editor.

If you are (WIN)DOS-PC based, there is an easy way:

You can download the Atari emulator Steem from:
http://steem.atari.st/

and for patch editing you can install

Dr.Ts Editor for K5
http://tamw.atari-users.net/cage_art.htm

both are freely available.

There is a K5 editor you can purchase from Sound Quest.

Unfortunately IMO and AFAIK there are no 'cool' editors for the K5 at all.

All editors i have seen until now, are some kind of 'Bread and Butter'
stuff, which do their work at the computer instead of
using the K5 Panel.

My K5m is damaged too, the volume control is broken and it is
impossible to get a spare part.
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phonophobie | 3 Jul 2004 01:32
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Re: new owner

thanx for the info. i have a look at these editors later. how good are
they with programming the harmonics and the envelopes? would you say
an editor is faster or better then the frontpanel? 

sofar i had not much time for programming my k5 - so i am wondering
about the modulation about the harmonics. Is it possible to detune
single harmonics? modulate the pitch of specific harmonics. i only
found out about the amplitude modulation of each harmonic with the 4
envelopes...

what about those rom update? i am on 1.0? are there serious bugs - any
reason why i should update it maybe?

cu :)
phono 

--- In k5synth@..., "kjtkfuenf"
<developer@...> wrote:
> Hi phono,
> 
> congratulations for having a new passion. ;)
> 
> At the files area here there is an editor iirc, 
> if you read through the messages of this group
> you'll find some help for getting an editor.
> 
> If you are (WIN)DOS-PC based, there is an easy way:
> 
> You can download the Atari emulator Steem from:
> http://steem.atari.st/
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jbrave | 3 Jul 2004 06:04
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Re: new owner

We have pretty much all the known K5 editors in the library. (well, I think
there might be one rare one we don't have. Very few K5's have working
backlights. None of mine do. In many ways, the K5 is a great synth, although
it is more cerebral than the K5000s, which gives you that gut-level knob
tweaking experience.  The layering ability of the K5 is superior to the
K5000s IMHO, as it produces some really rich sounds, I don't think heavy
layering really produces great sounds on the K5000.

As far as the modulation of the harmonics & odd harmonics, you can AM four
different groups of harmonics, but not LFO them, however, you can pitch
modulate one oscillator and not modulate the other, or use the loop function
in the pitch envelope to modulate each oscillator however you want. Another
interesting thing is to use full mode instead of twin, and tune the second
osc down a few octaves, that will get you some interesting  noise sounds.
You can get some pretty cool sounds. Check out my small library I uploaded
recently & of course, download Les's new K5 resynthesis program, that is
quite a powerful and interesting tool.

Joel

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phonophobie | 3 Jul 2004 18:21
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receiving sysex data ?

hi ! i just tried to load some patches intoo my k5m. I am using MidiOX
for sysex transfers. I can store my internal patches but how do i
receive sysex data on k5?

phono

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phonophobie | 3 Jul 2004 18:32
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Re: new owner

hmm ok... i was told that it is possible to modulate the frequncy of
individual harmonics on k5. so this was a disinformation then. however
i think the k5 is nice addition to my k5000 since it has it´s own
charachter. i will print me the manual now and will dig the k5 now ;)

--- In k5synth@..., "jbrave"
<onephatcat@...> wrote:
> We have pretty much all the known K5 editors in the library. (well,
I think
> there might be one rare one we don't have. Very few K5's have working
> backlights. None of mine do. In many ways, the K5 is a great synth,
although
> it is more cerebral than the K5000s, which gives you that gut-level knob
> tweaking experience.  The layering ability of the K5 is superior to the
> K5000s IMHO, as it produces some really rich sounds, I don't think heavy
> layering really produces great sounds on the K5000.
> 
> As far as the modulation of the harmonics & odd harmonics, you can
AM four
> different groups of harmonics, but not LFO them, however, you can pitch
> modulate one oscillator and not modulate the other, or use the loop
function
> in the pitch envelope to modulate each oscillator however you want.
Another
> interesting thing is to use full mode instead of twin, and tune the
second
> osc down a few octaves, that will get you some interesting  noise
sounds.
> You can get some pretty cool sounds. Check out my small library I
uploaded
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antdes45 | 4 Jul 2004 15:32

RE: receiving sysex data ?

1.Have Midi In of K5 connected to midi out of the interface.
2.Have Midi Out of K5 connected to midi in of the interface.
3*.Set the protect switch to off(rear of K5, front of K5m).
4.Press MIDI button, set RCV channel OMNI on, set EXCLUSIVE TRS & RCV on too(They turn off with the K5).
5.Send data.
6.Enjoy!

*Don't forget to turn it on when you send patches to it and to turn it off to send something else then patches.
<- Your GUI 'll turn crazy if you don't(If PGM in midi menu is set to multi, you will not be able to use singles,
next, your K5 will crash if you press multi int)

"phonophobie" <sidstation@...> wrote:

>hi ! i just tried to load some patches intoo my k5m. I am using MidiOX
>for sysex transfers. I can store my internal patches but how do i
>receive sysex data on k5?
>
>phono
>
>

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phonophobie | 4 Jul 2004 18:07
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Re: receiving sysex data ?

hmm..somehow i have a problem with saving my patches also, i guess :/

storing internal patches / sysex dump:

1. in midiOx i enter "manual dump"
2. on k5 i enable exclusive messages/omni on
3. then i set PGM=single
4. dump = block
5. internal memory

after execute, the k5 crashes and the display stays at "busy" - i have
to turn it off.
Midiox receives 993bytes and is waiting for completion.

SO i guess i have not completly stored all my patches.
I don´t want to try, sending soundbanks (blocks) to my k5m now. Since
i don´t know if the backup of my patches was succesfully. It would be
stupid to loose all my work.

ANY IDEA ?

thanx
phono

--- In k5synth@..., antdes45@... wrote:
> 1.Have Midi In of K5 connected to midi out of the interface.
> 2.Have Midi Out of K5 connected to midi in of the interface.
> 3*.Set the protect switch to off(rear of K5, front of K5m).
> 4.Press MIDI button, set RCV channel OMNI on, set EXCLUSIVE TRS &
RCV on too(They turn off with the K5).
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phonophobie | 4 Jul 2004 21:30
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Re: receiving sysex data ?

just an update...

i had no success sending or receiving sysex data from k5m! 
so far i tried to store my patches. and i tried to load sysex banks
into it. the result is that i lost half of my patches, now. they are
named like this "******" - and they contain no data and strange
values, but no sound. all i did was trying to transfer sysex data via
midiox and soundquest. midiox is just the best tool for sysex dumps in
my opinion - and it works without any problems with my other synth.
so i guess it has to be something with my k5. i am quite sure i
enabled all system exclusive things and set the right midi settings.
I am really getting frustrated. Does anyone have any idea? I am on
OS1.0 - is there any bug?

thanks
phono

--- In k5synth@..., "phonophobie"
<sidstation@...> wrote:
> hmm..somehow i have a problem with saving my patches also, i guess :/
> 
> storing internal patches / sysex dump:
> 
> 1. in midiOx i enter "manual dump"
> 2. on k5 i enable exclusive messages/omni on
> 3. then i set PGM=single
> 4. dump = block
> 5. internal memory
> 
> after execute, the k5 crashes and the display stays at "busy" - i have
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antdes45 | 4 Jul 2004 22:47

RE: Re: receiving sysex data ?

If you can't send all the patches, that's due to transfer going too fast. You should get up wait time / delay
options if there are in MIDIox(There are in SoundDiver).

For the other problems(Maybe patch send too), you/someone else should try to unsolder the battery and
resolder/change it.

I already got the problems you got(name is ********, no sound), but only on 2 "Roland D-110"s.

"phonophobie" <sidstation@...> wrote:

>just an update...
>
>i had no success sending or receiving sysex data from k5m!
>so far i tried to store my patches. and i tried to load sysex banks
>into it. the result is that i lost half of my patches, now. they are
>named like this "******" - and they contain no data and strange
>values, but no sound. all i did was trying to transfer sysex data via
>midiox and soundquest. midiox is just the best tool for sysex dumps in
>my opinion - and it works without any problems with my other synth.
>so i guess it has to be something with my k5. i am quite sure i
>enabled all system exclusive things and set the right midi settings.
>I am really getting frustrated. Does anyone have any idea? I am on
>OS1.0 - is there any bug?
>
>thanks
>phono
>
>
>--- In k5synth@..., "phonophobie"
<sidstation@...> wrote:
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