Peter T. Chattaway | 1 Jul 2007 08:30
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Re: God Hates the World

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007, James wrote:
> This is a joke, right?  At some points, the singers can hardly keep from
> laughing...
> http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/06/its_not_quite_we_are_the_world.php

Why is that one guy waving a Canadian flag upside-down!?

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karl | 1 Jul 2007 09:26
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Re: God Hates the World

God really hates Canada?

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> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007, James wrote:
>> This is a joke, right?  At some points, the singers can hardly keep from
>> laughing...
>> http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/06/its_not_quite_we_are_the_world.php
>
> Why is that one guy waving a Canadian flag upside-down!?
>
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Bruce Geerdes | 1 Jul 2007 15:19
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Re: God Hates the World

On 7/1/07, Peter T. Chattaway <petert@...> wrote:
> Why is that one guy waving a Canadian flag upside-down!?

Guess they're trying to get a little international and a Canadian flag
was the only thing they could scrounge up?

Bruce

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Peter T. Chattaway | 1 Jul 2007 17:58
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Re: God Hates the World

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007, Bruce Geerdes wrote:

> > Why is that one guy waving a Canadian flag upside-down!?
>
> Guess they're trying to get a little international and a Canadian flag
> was the only thing they could scrounge up?

And the upside-down part is just cuz they're ignorant?

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Lucas John | 1 Jul 2007 21:15
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Re: God Hates the World

Why is that one guy waving a Canadian flag upside-down!?

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I watched We Are The World on Youtube
 
No flag waving there. Nice little nostalgic trip though.


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Johne Cook | 2 Jul 2007 05:11
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Ray Gun Revival Issue 25 - our one year anniversary issue!

A new format, a new contest, a classic genre - it's the one year anniversary of Ray Gun Revival!  Find it here in Ray Gun Revival Issue #25:
http://raygunrevival.com/Published/RGR_0025_2007_07_01.pdf

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37 pages

"Traveling with the Archetypes" by Calie Voorhis
Bob presents his biggest show ever. But what happens when his characters rebel?

"The Exile of Joseph Reed" by Colleen Drippe’
Exile. It means you are no longer a part of the human race, rejected and cast out—plummeting through space at some unthinkable speed alone with yourself. Or are you?

"Hot Off the Press" by Ty Johnston
Roger Madock is a typical newspaper reporter, until he discovers his published words can alter reality.

Deuces Wild: "Full Circle" by L. S. King
Slap, Tristan, and Carter escape the planet Eridani, but can Slap escape the nightmare of his captivity?

Plus, our Ray Gun Revival Space Monkey Flash Fiction challenge!

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Bruce Geerdes | 2 Jul 2007 05:40
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Re: God Hates the World

On 7/1/07, Peter T. Chattaway <petert@...> wrote:
> And the upside-down part is just cuz they're ignorant?

Ah.  Canadians don't fly their flag upside down?  My bad.  :)

Bruce

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Peter T. Chattaway | 2 Jul 2007 12:26
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Re: God Hates the World

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007, Bruce Geerdes wrote:

> > And the upside-down part is just cuz they're ignorant?
> 
> Ah.  Canadians don't fly their flag upside down?  My bad.  :)

[ chuckle ]

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Peter T. Chattaway | 2 Jul 2007 13:13
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the top ten movies in north america

http://movies.yahoo.com/boxoffice/latest/rank.html

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) -- Following are ticket sales for the top 10 movies
at the North American box office for the June 22-24 weekend, according to
studio estimates issued Sunday. Final data will be issued Monday.

[***] 1 (+) Ratatouille ..................... $47.2 million   47.2 million
      2 (+) Live Free or Die Hard ........... $33.2 million   48.2 million
[***] 3 (1) Evan Almighty ................... $15.1 million   60.6 million
[***] 4 (2) 1408 ............................ $10.6 million   40.4 million
      5 (3) Fantastic Four: Rise of the ... .. $9.0 million  114.8 million
[***] 6 (5) Knocked Up ....................... $7.4 million  122.4 million
      7 (4) Ocean's Thirteen ................. $6.1 million  102.1 million
[***] 8 (6) Pirates of the Caribbean: ... .... $5.0 million  295.8 million
      9(31) Sicko ............................ $4.5 million    4.6 million
      10(+) Evening .......................... $3.5 million    3.5 million

NOTE: Last weekend's position in parenthesis. + indicates a new release.
Figures are rounded.

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FWIW, as Jim Hill noted at his website today, Ratatouille had the lowest
opening weekend in wide release of any Pixar movie since A Bug's Life
(1998)... and the lowest per-screen average of any Pixar movie since Toy
Story (1995)... and the lowest per-screen ticket sales *ever* after
inflation is taken into account.  For whatever that's worth.

Also, Die Hard 4 had easily the biggest opening weekend of any of the Die
Hard films... however, if it is true that the average ticket price has
gone up by about 50% since 1995 (which is when Die Hard 3 came out), then
Die Hard 4 sold about as many tickets on its first weekend as Die Hard 3
did; then again, Die Hard 4 opened last Wednesday, *before* the weekend,
so it sold quite a few more tickets by the end of its first weekend.

Also, Knocked Up has soared past the $109.4 million earned two years ago
by The 40-Year-Old Virgin, which was also directed by Judd Apatow.  
Interestingly, it will almost certainly make a lot more money than Evan
Almighty, which was made by the same studio and also stars an alumnus of
The 40-Year-Old Virgin but cost a lot, lot, lot more to make.

Also, Pirates of the Caribbean 3 is now the #9 film of all time worldwide,
though it is still way, way down at #25 on the North American chart.

And while Shrek the Third fell off the weekly top ten this week, it also
just entered the all-time domestic Top 20 -- nudging out Star Wars:
Episode II: Attack of the Clones.

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http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20070702/118336032000.html

Disney has put a rodent on top of the box office, though not the studio's
venerable mascot, Mickey Mouse.

"Ratatouille," an animated comedy about a gourmet rat that gets a chance
to cook in a French restaurant, debuted as the No. 1 weekend movie with
$47.2 million, according to studio estimates Sunday.

20th Century Fox's action thriller "Live Free or Die Hard," Bruce Willis's
return as unstoppable cop John McClane, opened in second-place with $33.15
million. Since opening Wednesday, the movie has grossed $48.2 million.

In narrower release, Michael Moore's health care documentary "Sicko,"
released by the Weinstein Co. and Lionsgate, took in $4.5 million in its
nationwide debut to finish at No. 9. The movie opened in one New York City
theater a week earlier.

Focus Features' family drama "Evening," with an all-star cast that
includes Meryl Streep, Vanessa Redgrave, Glenn Close and Claire Danes,
opened at No. 10 with $3.5 million.

The previous weekend's No. 1 movie, Universal's "Evan Almighty," fell to
No. 3 with $15.1 million, raising its 10-day total to $60.6 million. The
movie's sharp 52 percent fall from opening weekend dims the studio's
prospects for recouping the enormous $175 million production budget for
the film.

While "Ratatouille" easily dominated the weekend, it had the smallest
debut among releases by Disney's Pixar Animation unit since 1998's "A
Bug's Life" which opened with $33.3 million. The other five Pixar films
since then, among them "Toy Story 2," "Finding Nemo" and last year's
"Cars," had opening weekends between $57.4 million and $70.5 million.

Chuck Viane, Disney's head of distribution, said "Ratatouille" was up
against more competition than past Pixar flicks. With sparkling reviews
for "Ratatouille," Disney is counting on the staying power at theaters
that other Pixar films have had.

"Our whole idea was to set ourselves up for what we call the 10-day
opening," Viane said of the upcoming Fourth of July week. "We look at this
as one extended playtime. We're in this for the long haul. We're glad
we're No. 1, but we're not trying to make this just a weekend wonder."

Willis returned to the "Die Hard" franchise after a 12-year absence, and
as Sylvester Stallone did last year with "Rocky Balboa," he proved that an
aging action hero still could pack theaters.

"John McClane is everyman. He's a hero, but he's thrust into situations,
and I think people love that," said Bert Livingston, general sales manager
for Fox. "He's clever, he's funny and he gets the job done."

"Sicko," Moore's dissection of the ills of U.S. health care, played in 441
theaters, about half the number for his last movie, 2004's $100 million
hit "Fahrenheit 9/11." With a $23.9 million opening, "Fahrenheit 9/11" did
five times as much business, though.

Still, "Sicko" had the second-best documentary debut ever behind
"Fahrenheit 9/11." By comparison, "Ratatouille" opened in nearly 4,000
theaters, about nine times as many as "Sicko."

Harvey Weinstein, co-chairman of the Weinstein Co., said he wanted to roll
"Sicko" out slowly to give it a longer shelf life and keep Moore's stand
for universal health care on the front burner.

"The idea is to hold during the summer and just continue to build this
thing," Weinstein said. "I just think the debate in this country is going
to catch up with the movie, so we've got to keep it slow."

Weinstein and Moore said they hoped "Sicko" would do in the range of the
$21.6 million total for the filmmaker's 2002 Academy Award winner "Bowling
for Columbine."

If Sunday estimates hold, Hollywood's overall revenues will be up
slightly, snapping a four-week downturn that has surprised analysts who
had expected the industry to do record business this summer. The top-12
movies took in $146.7 million, up 2 percent from the same weekend last
year.

"For now, I'm glad we broke the down streak," said Paul Dergarabedian,
president of box-office tracker Media By Numbers. "Four down weekends
turns into five, which turns into eight, and then we have a slump on our
hands. We didn't want to go in that direction."

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http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/20070701/118333541800.html

A rat chased millions of moviegoers into theaters, but the furry star of
"Ratatouille" also whipped up one of the worst openings in the history of
Walt Disney Co's cartoon powerhouse Pixar Animation.

According to studio estimates issued on Sunday, "Ratatouille" about a rat
who aspires to become a gourmet chef sold $47.2 million worth of tickets
during its first three days. It took the No. 1 slot ahead of the new Bruce
Willis movie "Live Free or Die Hard" with $33.2 million.

It was the lowest opening for a Pixar-produced release since the studio's
second effort, "A Bug's Life," launched with $33.3 million in 1998 on its
way to a $163 million total.

By contrast last year's Pixar entry, "Cars," drove off with $60.1 million
-- a figure regarded as something of a disappointment -- and finished with
$244 million.

If "Ratatouille" follows the same pattern as "Cars," it will gross about
$189 million, becoming the third consecutive Pixar release to underperform
its predecessor. But Disney was confident "Ratatouille" would easily pass
$200 million.

Opening weekend predictions among financial analysts for "Ratatouille" had
ranged from $50 million to $65 million. But movie industry polling had a
more realistic target in the low $40 million range, according to Chuck
Viane, Disney's president of domestic theatrical distribution.

TOUGH COMPETITION

Viane said the competition was unprecedented, with "Ratatouille" boxed in
by "Live Free or Die Hard," which got a two-day head start by opening on
Wednesday, and by the Monday night release of the hotly anticipated
"Transformers."

Still, with a little help from the July 4 holiday, he predicted that
"Ratatouille" would be "as successful, if not more successful, than most"
Pixar films.

The most successful of Pixar's seven previous releases was 2003's "Finding
Nemo," with sales of $340 million. It opened to $70.3 million. A year
later, "The Incredibles" kicked off with $70.5 million, but lost steam and
settled at $261 million.

Both "Ratatouille" and "The Incredibles" were directed by Brad Bird. His
latest effort revolves around a Parisian rat named Remy who dreams of
gourmet stardom.

As usual with Pixar releases, critics heaped superlatives on the film. But
it was no secret that Disney faced a marketing challenge with the movie: A
rat in the kitchen raises hygiene concerns for some people.

Disney is still proving to investors that last year's acquisition of Pixar
is worth its $7.4 billion price tag. "Ratatouille" is the first Pixar film
to be released that was still in production when the Disney-Pixar deal was
sealed.

Willis' "Live Free Or Die Hard" has earned $48.2 million in its first five
days. The fourth episode of 20th Century Fox's action series, predictably
skewed towards older males, the News Corp.-owned studio said. It enjoyed a
20 percent bump from Friday to Saturday, indicating strong word of mouth;
"Ratatouille," by contrast, rose 3 percent.

Last weekend's champion "Evan Almighty," the first big disappointment of
the summer box office, slipped to No. 3 with $15.1 million and a two-week
total of $60.6 million.

With a reported budget of $175 million, the Steve Carell movie was the
most expensive comedy ever made. It was released by Universal Pictures, a
unit of General Electric Co.'s NBC Universal Inc.

The top-10 contained two other new entries. Documentary filmmaker Michael
Moore's "Sicko" opened at No. 9 with $4.5 million, in line with
expectations. The follow-up to Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" played in just
441 theaters vs. 3,940 for "Ratatouille." It was fully financed by the
closely held Weinstein Co. and released by Lionsgate, a unit of Lions Gate
Entertainment Corp.

The drama "Evening," starring a slew of heavyweight actresses such as
Vanessa Redgrave and Meryl Streep opened at No. 10 with a modest $3.5
million from 977 theaters. It was released by NBC Universal's art house
arm Focus Features.

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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2007&p=.htm

The Domestic Top 15 of 2007 (as of July 1, 2007)

[***] 1  (1) Spider-Man 3 (PG-13)                           $333.7 million
[***] 2  (2) Shrek the Third (PG)                           $313.8 million
[***] 3  (3) Pirates of the Caribbean: At ... End (PG-13)   $295.8 million
[***] 4  (4) 300 (R)                                        $210.4 million
[***] 5  (5) Wild Hogs (PG-13)                              $166.7 million
[***] 6  (8) Knocked Up (R)                                 $122.4 million
[***] 7  (6) Blades of Glory (PG-13)                        $117.7 million
[***] 8  (7) Ghost Rider (PG-13)                            $115.8 million
      9  (9) Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (PG) $114.8 million
      10(12) Ocean's Thirteen (PG-13)                       $102.1 million
[***] 11(10) Meet the Robinsons (G)                          $96.4 million
      12(11) Norbit (PG-13)                                  $95.4 million
[***] 13(13) Bridge to Terabithia (PG)                       $82.3 million
[***] 14(14) Disturbia (PG-13)                               $78.6 million
      15(15) Stomp the Yard (PG-13)                          $61.4 million

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=worldwide&yr=2007&p=.htm

The Worldwide Top 15 of 2007 (as of July 1, 2007)

[***] 1  Pirates of the ... End (PG-13)      295.8 + 608.9 = 904.7 million
[***] 2  Spider-Man 3 (PG-13)                333.7 + 548.9 = 882.6 million
[***] 3  Shrek the Third (PG)                313.8 + 259.0 = 572.8 million
[***] 4  300 (R)                             210.4 + 242.1 = 452.5 million
[***] 5  Wild Hogs (PG-13)                   166.7 +  82.0 = 248.7 million
[***] 6  Ghost Rider (PG-13)                 115.8 + 112.4 = 228.2 million
      7  Ocean's Thirteen (PG-13)            102.1 + 124.1 = 226.2 million
      8  Fantastic Four: Rise of ... (PG)    114.8 +  81.2 = 195.0 million
      9  Mr. Bean's Holiday (PG)              ---- + 184.0 = 184.0 million
      10 Norbit (PG-13)                       95.4 +  63.3 = 158.6 million
[***] 11 Meet the Robinsons (G)               96.4 +  54.1 = 150.5 million
[---] 12 Music and Lyrics (PG-13)             50.6 +  94.7 = 145.3 million
[***] 13 Blades of Glory (PG-13)             117.7 +  19.8 = 137.5 million
[***] 14 Bridge to Terabithia (PG)            82.3 +  44.0 = 126.2 million
[***] 15 Evan Almighty (PG)                   60.6 +  64.2 = 124.8 million

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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic/

The Domestic Top 20 of All Time (as of July 1, 2007)

[*2*] 1  Titanic (1997)                                     $600.8 million
[*7*] 2  Star Wars (1977)                                   $461.0 million
[***] 3  Shrek 2 (2004)                                     $441.2 million
[*4*] 4  E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982)                  $435.1 million
[*3*] 5  Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999)   $431.1 million
[***] 6  Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006)  $423.3 million
[*2*] 7  Spider-Man (2002)                                  $403.7 million
[*2*] 8  Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the ... (2005) $380.3 million
[*4*] 9  The Lord of the Rings: The Return of ... (2003)    $377.0 million
[*2*] 10 Spider-Man 2 (2004)                                $373.6 million
[*3*] 11 The Passion of the Christ (2004)                   $370.8 million
[*2*] 12 Jurassic Park (1993)                               $357.1 million
[*5*] 13 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002)       $341.8 million
[***] 14 Finding Nemo (2003)                                $339.7 million
[***] 15 Spider-Man 3 (2007)                                $333.7 million
[***] 16 Forrest Gump (1994)                                $329.7 million
[***] 17 The Lion King (1994)                               $328.5 million
[*2*] 18 Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (2001)    $317.6 million
[*5*] 19 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship ... (2001)   $314.8 million
[***] 20 Shrek the Third (2007)                             $313.8 million

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

The Worldwide Top 20 of All Time (as of July 1, 2007)

[*2*] 1  Titanic (1997)                    600.8 + 1244.2 = 1845.0 million
[*4*] 2  The Lord of the Rings: ... (2003) 377.0 +  741.9 = 1118.9 million
[***] 3  Pirates of the ... Chest (2006)   423.3 +  642.3 = 1065.7 million
[*2*] 4  Harry Potter and the ... (2001)   317.6 +  658.9 =  976.5 million
[*5*] 5  The Lord of the Rings: ... (2002) 341.8 +  584.5 =  926.3 million
[*3*] 6  Star Wars: Episode I ... (1999)   431.1 +  493.2 =  924.3 million
[***] 7  Shrek 2 (2004)                    441.2 +  479.4 =  920.7 million
[*2*] 8  Jurassic Park (1993)              357.1 +  557.6 =  914.7 million
[***] 9  Pirates of the ... End (2007)     295.8 +  608.9 =  904.7 million
[*2*] 10 Harry Potter and the ... (2005)   290.0 +  602.2 =  892.2 million
[***] 11 Spider-Man 3 (2007)               333.7 +  546.5 =  880.2 million
[***] 12 Harry Potter and the ... (2002)   262.0 +  614.7 =  876.7 million
[*5*] 13 The Lord of the Rings: ... (2001) 314.8 +  556.6 =  871.4 million
[***] 14 Finding Nemo (2003)               339.7 +  524.9 =  864.6 million
[*2*] 15 Star Wars: Episode III ... (2005) 380.3 +  469.7 =  850.0 million
[*2*] 16 Spider-Man (2002)                 403.7 +  418.0 =  821.7 million
[***] 17 Pirates of the ... End (2007)     273.8 +  547.0 =  820.8 million
[***] 18 Independence Day (1996)           306.2 +  510.8 =  817.0 million
[*4*] 19 E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) 435.1 +  357.8 =  792.9 million
[*2*] 20 Harry Potter and the ... (2004)   249.5 +  540.3 =  789.8 million

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Andrew Irwin | 3 Jul 2007 00:05
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I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770

I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist
By HASSAN BUTT -

When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British
Jihadi Network - a series of British Muslim terrorist groups linked by
a single ideology - I remember how we used to laugh in celebration
whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts
of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign
policy.

By blaming the Government for our actions, those who pushed this
"Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.

More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination
from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology.

The attempts to cause mass destruction in London and Glasgow are so
reminiscent of other recent British Islamic extremist plots that they
are likely to have been carried out by my former peers.

And as with previous terror attacks, people are again saying that
violence carried out by Muslims is all to do with foreign policy.

For example, on Saturday on Radio 4's Today programme, the Mayor of
London, Ken Livingstone, said: "What all our intelligence shows about
the opinions of disaffected young Muslims is the main driving force is
not Afghanistan, it is mainly Iraq."

I left the British Jihadi Network in February 2006 because I realised
that its members had simply become mindless killers. But if I were
still fighting for their cause, I'd be laughing once again.

Mohammad Sidique Khan, the leader of the July 7 bombings, and I were
both part of the network - I met him on two occasions.

And though many British extremists are angered by the deaths of fellow
Muslim across the world, what drove me and many others to plot acts of
extreme terror within Britain and abroad was a sense that we were
fighting for the creation of a revolutionary worldwide Islamic state
that would dispense Islamic justice.

If we were interested in justice, you may ask, how did this continuing
violence come to be the means of promoting such a (flawed) Utopian
goal?

How do Islamic radicals justify such terror in the name of their religion?

There isn't enough room to outline everything here, but the foundation
of extremist reasoning rests upon a model of the world in which you
are either a believer or an infidel.

Formal Islamic theology, unlike Christian theology, does not allow for
the separation of state and religion: they are considered to be one
and the same.

For centuries, the reasoning of Islamic jurists has set down rules of
interaction between Dar ul-Islam (the Land of Islam) and Dar ul-Kufr
(the Land of Unbelief) to cover almost every matter of trade, peace
and war.

But what radicals and extremists do is to take this two steps further.
Their first step has been to argue that, since there is no pure
Islamic state, the whole world must be Dar ul-Kufr (The Land of
Unbelief).

Step two: since Islam must declare war on unbelief, they have declared
war upon the whole world.

Along with many of my former peers, I was taught by Pakistani and
British radical preachers that this reclassification of the globe as a
Land of War (Dar ul-Harb) allows any Muslim to destroy the sanctity of
the five rights that every human is granted under Islam: life, wealth,
land, mind and belief.

In Dar ul-Harb, anything goes, including the treachery and cowardice
of attacking civilians.

The notion of a global battlefield has been a source of friction for
Muslims living in Britain.

For decades, radicals have been exploiting the tensions between
Islamic theology and the modern secular state - typically by starting
debate with the question: "Are you British or Muslim?"

But the main reason why radicals have managed to increase their
following is because most Muslim institutions in Britain just don't
want to talk about theology.

They refuse to broach the difficult and often complex truth that Islam
can be interpreted as condoning violence against the unbeliever - and
instead repeat the mantra that Islam is peace and hope that all of
this debate will go away.

This has left the territory open for radicals to claim as their own. I
should know because, as a former extremist recruiter, I repeatedly
came across those who had tried to raise these issues with mosque
authorities only to be banned from their grounds.

Every time this happened it felt like a moral and religious victory
for us because it served as a recruiting sergeant for extremism.

Outside Britain, there are those who try to reverse this two-step revisionism.

A handful of scholars from the Middle East have tried to put
radicalism back in the box by saying that the rules of war devised so
long ago by Islamic jurists were always conceived with the existence
of an Islamic state in mind, a state which would supposedly regulate
jihad in a responsible Islamic fashion.

In other words, individual Muslims don't have the authority to go
around declaring global war in the name of Islam.

But there is a more fundamental reasoning that has struck me as a far
more potent argument because it involves recognising the reality of
the world: Muslims don't actually live in the bipolar world of the
Middle Ages any more.

The fact is that Muslims in Britain are citizens of this country. We
are no longer migrants in a Land of Unbelief.

For my generation, we were born here, raised here, schooled here, we
work here and we'll stay here.

But more than that, on a historically unprecedented scale, Muslims in
Britain have been allowed to assert their religious identity through
clothing, the construction of mosques, the building of cemeteries and
equal rights in law.

However, it isn't enough for responsible Muslims to say that, because
they feel at home in Britain, they can simply ignore those passages of
the Koran which instruct on killing unbelievers.

Because so many in the Muslim community refuse to challenge
centuries-old theological arguments, the tensions between Islamic
theology and the modern world grow larger every day.

I believe that the issue of terrorism can be easily demystified if
Muslims and non-Muslims start openly to discuss the ideas that fuel
terrorism.

Crucially, the Muslim community in Britain must slap itself awake from
its state of denial and realise there is no shame in admitting the
extremism within our families, communities and worldwide
co-religionists.

If our country is going to take on radicals and violent extremists,
Muslim scholars must go back to the books and come forward with a
refashioned set of rules and a revised understanding of the rights and
responsibilities of Muslims whose homes and souls are firmly planted
in what I'd like to term the Land of Co-existence.

And when this new theological territory is opened up, Western Muslims
will be able to liberate themselves from defunct models of the world,
rewrite the rules of interaction and perhaps we will discover that the
concept of killing in the name of Islam is no more than an
anachronism.

-- 
Andrew Irwin

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