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entropy | 2 Aug 2004 17:58

zoe (on mac os x)

Hi there,
	i'm just looking for some advice regarding zoe and integration with a 
regular mail routine.

I have this sneaking suspicion that i am missing some detail regarding 
smtp forwarding and whatnot, but to hell with it. i'll ask my n00b 
question anyway.

I use mac os x mail.app it's an mbox format and all of my emails are 
now part of zoe. yay for me. this doesn't really make it useful though.

basically what i need is for me to log into zoe, and then say 'load 
inbox.mbox' thus showing me all the latest emails that have arrived in 
chronological order. then i might want to reply or send a new mail and 
this should be stored in the 'sent.mbox' file.

is this too hard? should I give up? What i want is a simple web 
application that can read an mbox file, send an email and save that 
email back to an mbox file.

could i do at least the first half of what i want with a script? i'm 
not really sure which direction i should be moving in.

basically is there a way to use zoe functionally without removing 
mail.app as my 99% working client?

thanks for any ideas,
			james

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Mark Crocker | 2 Aug 2004 19:05

Re: zoe (on mac os x)


On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:58:04 +1000, entropy wrote:

> basically what i need is for me to log into zoe, and then say 'load 
> inbox.mbox' thus showing me all the latest emails that have arrived in 
> chronological order. then i might want to reply or send a new mail and 
> this should be stored in the 'sent.mbox' file.

> is this too hard? should I give up? What i want is a simple web 
> application that can read an mbox file, send an email and save that 
> email back to an mbox file.

That's not really how Zoe should be used.  You only need to import ONCE to get your existing email archives
into Zoe.  If set up in the standard way, it will happen automatically from that point on.

The basic setup that Zoe was intended to work with is to put Zoe between your mail client and your mail server. 
In other words, have Zoe get email from your ISP for you and use your email client to get email from Zoe.  Going
the other way, you send email from your email client to Zoe and Zoe forwards it to your ISP.  Zoe sits in
between your client and server and acts as an archiver.  One twist on this is to add a spam filter like POPFile
between your ISP's mail server and Zoe.

There's plenty of information on how to set this up available from several sources such as the Zoe FAQ on the
Zoe home page, http://zoe.omara.ca/, http://rodney.buzzword.com/zoe and the archives of this
mailing list.  So, the short answer to your question is RTFM ;)

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Mark Crocker | 3 Aug 2004 02:32

Re: zoe (on mac os x)


>> On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:58:04 +1000, entropy wrote:

>>> basically what i need is for me to log into zoe, and then say 'load
>>> inbox.mbox' thus showing me all the latest emails that have arrived in
>>> chronological order. then i might want to reply or send a new mail and
>>> this should be stored in the 'sent.mbox' file.

>> The basic setup that Zoe was intended to work with is to put Zoe 
>> between your mail client and your mail server.  In other words, have 
>> Zoe get email from your ISP for you and use your email client to get 
>> email from Zoe.  Going the other way, you send email from your email 
>> client to Zoe and Zoe forwards it to your ISP.  Zoe sits in between 
>> your client and server and acts as an archiver.

On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:07:40 +1000, entropy wrote:

> ok, i was just hoping for something else...

> the issue that i have i guess is how do you get your sent mail from zoe 
> back to your client?

The method I described does that.  If you send the message with Zoë itself, just remember to check the 'Save a
Copy' checkbox and Zoë will keep a copy of the sent mail.  The next time your client fetches new messages,
it'll get the one you sent along with anything else it hasn't already fetched.  Even if you use a second email
client to send the message via Zoë, the next time your regular email client fetches email, it'll get the
email sent by the secondary email client because Zoë will save it.

One 'gotcha' in all of this is that you MUST make sure that your email client is set to leave messages on the
server so it doesn't delete them from Zoë.  Similarly, you shouldn't be using your secondary email client
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Zoe | 3 Aug 2004 13:53
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Re: [newbie] Mailinglists and spam

Hi David,

On Jul 13, 2004, at 09:29, david bonde wrote:

> 1. I don't have any Zoe/Library/SZ/Configurations or  
> Zoe/Library/SZ/Configurations/Default directories in my freshly  
> downloaded copy of Zoe. Is there something wrong or can I simply  
> create them?

By default, all the additional configurations are optional. If you need  
to overwrite something, simply create the appropriate configuration  
file/directory when appropriate.

>
> 2. What should the name of the file actually be? The Wiki lists it as  
> alt.dev.szmail.SZMail$List Filter.properties with a space and a dollar  
> sign in it (indicating a variable?). I have tried a few alternatives  
> but nothing seems to be registered

The proper file name is 'alt.dev.szmail.SZMail$ListFilter.properties'.  
No quotes. No space. The dollar sign ($) is a Java artifact.

The filters are logged to the console when first loaded.

http://zoe.omara.ca/SystemConfiguration/ConfigFiles

> 3. Does it matter which line endings the file has?

I don't think so. The low level format of the file is documented here:
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Zoe | 3 Aug 2004 14:04
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Re: Zoe suddenly "forgets" user hex number?

Hi Thomas,

On Jul 13, 2004, at 11:19, Thomas Jenny wrote:

> - next time I start Zoe in daemon mode, no emails appear, and my 
> account definitions are
>   gone; it seems that Zoe has suddenly forgotten the long hex number 
> associated with
>   my user name, and assigned a new one, as I see these new directories 
> were getting
>   created in the various subdirectories of Zoe.

Hmmm... this sounds very bad :/

On the other hand, I haven't run into this problem yet :)

In any case, what platform are you running (OS, JVM, etc)? Could you 
send a bug report with all those informations?

http://localhost:10080/bug/

Here is how it goes under, er, "normal conditions": when a user is 
created, it get assign a unique identifier (that infamous long hex 
number). This identifier is used to retrieve the user data (mails, 
indices, objects, etc). A user is only created once. The user name is 
based on your OS user name as reflected by the Java 'user.name' 
property. If the name remain constant, its identifier remain the same 
as well. In other words, a new identifier is created for every distinct 
user name. Could it be that you are running the app under different OS 
accounts?
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Zoe | 3 Aug 2004 14:06
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Re: [newbie] Mailinglists and spam

Hi Rob,

On Jul 13, 2004, at 19:03, Rod McFarland wrote:

> It's these highly flippant responses that make me reconsider Zoe.

Hmmm...?!?!?

>  It's
> useful, I evangelize it, but holy cow. Not to put too fine a point on
> it, but you can be a right arse.

Hmmm...?!?!?

>  Point the guy to omara.ca or something.
> Put a link to it in the actual program. Maybe host a damn help page of
> your own.

For the record:

http://zoe.omara.ca/

Cheers,

R.

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Zoe | 3 Aug 2004 14:08
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Re: Way to tell if a message has been processed?

Hi Kevin,

On Jul 13, 2004, at 21:50, nirvdrum <at> negativetwenty.net wrote:

> I'm trying to find a particular message as a test of effectiveness, but
> can't come up with a set of words to find this message (which I do 
> still
> have on my IMAP server).  Is there anyway to check a message has in 
> fact
> been processed?

You can take a look under <ZOE>/Library/SZ/Mails/ to try to locate the 
raw message. In the UI, try to look for the date when this message was 
sent. Or its sender.

Cheers,

R.

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Zoe | 3 Aug 2004 14:28
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Re: Re: Zoe suddenly "forgets" user hex number?

Hi Yagiz,

On Jul 14, 2004, at 12:28, Yagiz Yasaroglu wrote:

> I'm having the same problem - that of mails
> vanishing spontaneously. I sometimes lose access
> to recent mails who were otherwise living happily
> in Zoë. Fortunately it is temporary; and thus I
> have found the best solution to be waiting
> patiently. After some time (or activation of an
> unknown trigger) the lost mails come back and
> everything is well again.

Hmmm... in theory, a user identifier never change... and if it does... 
this is a very bad thing :/

Does this weirdness happen between different 'run' of the app (e.g. 
after restarting it)? Is there anything in the logs which could 
indicate another problem? Could you send a bug report using the 
built-in report facility?

Thanks :)

Cheers,

R.

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Zoe | 3 Aug 2004 14:33
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Re: Re: Mailing Lists and Spam

Hi Terry,

On Jul 14, 2004, at 17:14, Terry Bayne wrote:

> Any ideas?  I have run ZOE in debug mode and can't see where the 
> SpamHeader.properties file is being picked up.

The property files are loaded lazily when needed. In the case of the 
SpamHeader, this will be when fetching a new message from your email 
server. You should see a log from SZMail.MailFilter.<clinit> listing 
the filters you have defined. Once loaded, they should also show up in 
the configuration editor.

As far as POPFile goes, make sure that it returns the same information 
for TOP as well as for RETR. There is a configuration for this in 
POPFile.

Cheers,

R.

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Zoe | 3 Aug 2004 14:36
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Re: [ Lists ] ListHeader?.properties

Hi Emily,

On Jul 14, 2004, at 19:11, Emily Zilch wrote:

> Has anyone developed a method for inserting a .properties list such 
> that some characteristic of said lists, i.e. "Subject=ConLang", 
> triggers redirection of the email into a new file? I know it would be 
> crude and would require separate If/Then files (I think)... damn you, 
> Java! I knew I shouldn't have taken French!

If the app cannot recognize a mailing list, you can always define a 
SZMail$ListFilter to catch it.

http://zoe.omara.ca/MailingLists

Cheers,

R.

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