General discussion about Zoe, a web based e-mail client with a built in SMTP server and Google-like search functionality.

Jos 'Hyakugei' Yule | 1 Mar 2004 20:39

Bug?

Ok, i'm pretty sure this is a Mozilla Mail bug, but i wanted to get some 
feedback from ya'll as well.

I'm using Mozilla 1.6, on WinXP for both email and browsing. I have Zoe 
0.5.5.

I occasionally get a strange error in zilla where it says that there is 
not enough room in the HD to store new messages. This is false.

Looking at the actually email vs the cut off version that i've gotten in 
my mail client, this is the important bits:

In the zilla client <snipped to the relevant para>:

"Of course it's still a mess, because Mozilla really needs to fix this bug="

Here is the actual email (from the Zoe message store, ending snipped as 
well):

"Of course it's still a mess, because Mozilla really needs to fix this bug=
.
Until they do so, even in the best case one would have to use a 
different..."

Zilla does not like it when you have a line ending with a '=' sign 
followed with a '.'. It causes the email client to stop fetching emails 
from the pop server (zoe). I don't remember reading in the SMTP or MBOX 
rfp that that is a control sequence... Should i report this to bugzilla?

tx

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D. R. Evans | 1 Mar 2004 21:31

Re: Bug?

Jos 'Hyakugei' Yule said the following at 2004-03-01 12:39 :

> Zilla does not like it when you have a line ending with a '=' sign 
> followed with a '.'. It causes the email client to stop fetching emails 
> from the pop server (zoe). I don't remember reading in the SMTP or MBOX 
> rfp that that is a control sequence... Should i report this to bugzilla?
> 

This is one of several related conditions that can cause Mozilla grief. 
They are being actively worked on, and should be fixed in the next 
Mozilla release.

Right now, the only real practical solution seems to be to use either 
Mozilla or Zoë, but not both.

(FWIW, it is debatable who is "at fault" here, at least for some of the 
conditions that cause Mozilla to cease downloading; but it's not 
debatable that Mozilla should - and will in future - fail gracefully and 
allow one to continue downloading mail after hitting a problemmatic e-mail.)

   Doc

Jos 'Hyakugei' Yule | 1 Mar 2004 21:43

Re: Bug?

Ok, its good to know that. My "solution" (read, hack) is to go into the 
Zoe mail store and simple edit the raw text file. ie. i move the 
offending '.', either by deleting it, or adding a space before it. Works 
great, if not as nice as it 'just working'.

j

D. R. Evans wrote:

> Jos 'Hyakugei' Yule said the following at 2004-03-01 12:39 :
> 
>> Zilla does not like it when you have a line ending with a '=' sign 
>> followed with a '.'. It causes the email client to stop fetching 
>> emails from the pop server (zoe). I don't remember reading in the SMTP 
>> or MBOX rfp that that is a control sequence... Should i report this to 
>> bugzilla?
>>
> 
> This is one of several related conditions that can cause Mozilla grief. 
> They are being actively worked on, and should be fixed in the next 
> Mozilla release.
> 
> Right now, the only real practical solution seems to be to use either 
> Mozilla or Zoë, but not both.
> 
> (FWIW, it is debatable who is "at fault" here, at least for some of the 
> conditions that cause Mozilla to cease downloading; but it's not 
> debatable that Mozilla should - and will in future - fail gracefully and 
> allow one to continue downloading mail after hitting a problemmatic 
> e-mail.)

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Zoe | 1 Mar 2004 21:44

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Re: Bug?

Hi Jos,

On Mar 01, 2004, at 20:39, Jos 'Hyakugei' Yule wrote:

> Zilla does not like it when you have a line ending with a '=' sign 
> followed with a '.'. It causes the email client to stop fetching 
> emails from the pop server (zoe). I don't remember reading in the SMTP 
> or MBOX rfp that that is a control sequence... Should i report this to 
> bugzilla?

This sounds like a bug... in ZOE's POP server that is... :o)

"CRLF.CRLF" is a termination sequence in POP. If the POP was server 
behaving properly it should "byte-stuffed" such a line if it was not 
intended to be a termination sequence.

Could you do me a favor and give a try to the attached SZPOP.jar?

To install it, shutdown the app, unarchive the attachment and copy 
'SZPOP.jar' into '<ZOE>/Library/Java/'. Restart. Make a copy of your 
current SZPOP.jar library in case the patched one misbehaves :)

Let me know how it goes.

Cheers,

R.

Attachment (SZPOP.jar.tgz): application/octet-stream, 12 KiB

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Zoe | 1 Mar 2004 21:46

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Re: Bug?

Hi Doc,

On Mar 01, 2004, at 21:31, D. R. Evans wrote:

> This is one of several related conditions that can cause Mozilla 
> grief. They are being actively worked on, and should be fixed in the 
> next Mozilla release.
>
> Right now, the only real practical solution seems to be to use either 
> Mozilla or Zoë, but not both.
>
> (FWIW, it is debatable who is "at fault" here, at least for some of 
> the conditions that cause Mozilla to cease downloading; but it's not 
> debatable that Mozilla should - and will in future - fail gracefully 
> and allow one to continue downloading mail after hitting a 
> problemmatic e-mail.)

I will gladly take the blame in this specific case :) On the other 
hand, Mozilla shouldn't get a seizure each time it encounters a byte 
out of sequence :o)

Cheers,

R.

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Jos 'Hyakugei' Yule | 1 Mar 2004 21:54

Re: Bug?

I've installed it, but i'm not sure how to 'recreate' the problem 
emails... will let you know how it goes...

thanks for the super quick response everyone! :)

j

Zoe wrote:

> Hi Jos,
> 
> On Mar 01, 2004, at 20:39, Jos 'Hyakugei' Yule wrote:
> 
>> Zilla does not like it when you have a line ending with a '=' sign 
>> followed with a '.'. It causes the email client to stop fetching 
>> emails from the pop server (zoe). I don't remember reading in the SMTP 
>> or MBOX rfp that that is a control sequence... Should i report this to 
>> bugzilla?
> 
> 
> This sounds like a bug... in ZOE's POP server that is... :o)
> 
> "CRLF.CRLF" is a termination sequence in POP. If the POP was server 
> behaving properly it should "byte-stuffed" such a line if it was not 
> intended to be a termination sequence.
> 
> Could you do me a favor and give a try to the attached SZPOP.jar?
> 
> To install it, shutdown the app, unarchive the attachment and copy 
> 'SZPOP.jar' into '<ZOE>/Library/Java/'. Restart. Make a copy of your

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Jos 'Hyakugei' Yule | 1 Mar 2004 22:53

Re: Bug?

Ok, i sent the following bit of an email which previously 'broke' zilla 
to myself:

"and you can read a sample chapter at
http://www.sybex.com/sybexbooks.nsf/AdditionalContent/4307Sample?OpenDocument
.

"

It came in fine, with no issues. Now, i don't _really_ know if its cuz 
of the patch, or cuz this isn't really the kind of message which would 
break it, but i'll assume the best and say "Wicked Patch", looking 
forward to Zoe 0.5.6 ;)

j

Jos 'Hyakugei' Yule wrote:

> I've installed it, but i'm not sure how to 'recreate' the problem 
> emails... will let you know how it goes...
> 
> thanks for the super quick response everyone! :)
> 
> j
> 
> 
> Zoe wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jos,
>>

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Jeff Winkler | 2 Mar 2004 20:40

Need to reset authentication password

Hi,
 I've been using Zoe for few days, and am very impressed... unfortunately in
messing around with the SMTP-forwarding, I've managed to forget/mess up my
'preferences/services/authentication/' password.

  I'd like to reset the password, either by:
- deleting the hash value (haven't found it).
- I've also tried entering the "current password" in order to trigger "Mail
new password after 3 attempts to enter a password".  This doesn't seem to
work.

Is there some way to reset the password?

Thanks, Jeff

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Olivier Kaloudoff | 3 Mar 2004 09:42

SpamHeader.properties

Dear Zoe,

	

	to get rid of some spam, I'm
setting up a subject based anti-spam, as
implemented in Zoe, and explained in

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:AzusHcRcHFoJ:zoe.omara.ca/DealingWithSpam+ZoeDocs+spam&hl=en&i
(wiki seems to be down at this time)

	so I created the file SpamHeader.properties,
and filled it up like this;

[kalou <at> ge Default]$ pwd
/devtrees/Zoe/Zoe/Library/SZ/Configurations/Default

[kalou <at> ge Default]$ cat SpamHeader.properties

subject=*SPAM* URGENT RESPONSES NEEDED
subject.1='something for you'
subject.2='  AWARD NOTIFICATION'
subject.3='*SPAM*  AWARD NOTIFICATION'
subject.4='URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP'

	unfortunatelly, mail messages with
these subjects continues to arrive..

	can someone point me out my error ?

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Zoe | 3 Mar 2004 10:54

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Re: Need to reset authentication password

Hi Jeff,

On Mar 02, 2004, at 20:40, Jeff Winkler wrote:

>  I've been using Zoe for few days, and am very impressed...  
> unfortunately in
> messing around with the SMTP-forwarding, I've managed to forget/mess  
> up my
> 'preferences/services/authentication/' password.
>
>   I'd like to reset the password, either by:
> - deleting the hash value (haven't found it).

The hex encoded signature SHA is buried in  
'<ZOE>/Library/SZ/Storages/535A53746F7265/ 
alt.dev.szmail.SZIdentity.szdb/Data.db'.

This is how it may look like:

signatureÇ

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