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Tommy Reynolds | 2 Aug 2004 20:24
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[sylpheed:23281] Want a default, account-independent SMTP server setting.

Hi, folks

While on my last business trip I had to change all the SMTP server
settings for each mail account to point to the SMTP server to that of
the ISP dejure' instead of the specific SMTP for each mail account.
Some ISP's are afraid of being a spam relay, I guess.  Anyway I
thought having a global default SMTP server setting, along with a "use
default ISP" checkbox might be usefull.  Would this help anyone else
or am I the only guy in the world without a VPN relay back at home?

Cheers!
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Bill Moran | 2 Aug 2004 21:11

[sylpheed:23282] Re: Want a default, account-independent SMTP server setting.

Tommy Reynolds <Tommy.Reynolds <at> MegaCoder.com> wrote:
> Hi, folks
> 
> While on my last business trip I had to change all the SMTP server
> settings for each mail account to point to the SMTP server to that of
> the ISP dejure' instead of the specific SMTP for each mail account.
> Some ISP's are afraid of being a spam relay, I guess.  Anyway I
> thought having a global default SMTP server setting, along with a "use
> default ISP" checkbox might be usefull.  Would this help anyone else
> or am I the only guy in the world without a VPN relay back at home?

It seems like the method dejoure' for handling this is SMTP AUTH, which
allows you to securly use your SMTP relay from whereever you are.  It
also seems (to me) that this is a good method that will continue to be
used.

The previous method was pop-before-smtp, which was an ugly hack
vulnerable to being exploited by race conditions and IP spoofing.  A
lot of people still use it, though.

If your SMTP relay doesn't support SMTP AUTH, you should jump all over
the admin to get it implemented.  It's going to be needed sooner or
later, and (based on your experience) probably sooner.

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Tommy Reynolds | 2 Aug 2004 21:42
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[sylpheed:23283] Re: Want a default, account-independent SMTP server setting.

Uttered Bill Moran <wmoran <at> potentialtech.com>, spake thus:

> If your SMTP relay doesn't support SMTP AUTH, you should jump all over
> the admin to get it implemented.  It's going to be needed sooner or
> later, and (based on your experience) probably sooner.

Sorry, I must not have expressed myself clearly.

My ISP at home is bellsouth.net and they aren't going to change their
policy of requiring the SMTP access point to be their own SMTP
server.  Unfortunately, they only accept SMTP traffic from an IP
address inside their own network, so while on the road I have to change
all the Sylpheed SMTP settings to point to whatever ISP services my
hotel uses, or to some other SMTP relay (most accounts have their own
preferred server anyway).

If Sylpheed had an "override SMTP server" selection, road warrior
life would be a bit less risky because I wouldn't need to fiddle with
correct-most-of-the-time settings just because of where I happened to
be today.  

(Where do you want to go today? Home! ;-)

I think Mozilla thunderbird has such a feature, as perhaps does
Windoze.  This situation may be more of a problem than we have
realized.

Cheers!
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Bruce Bowler | 2 Aug 2004 22:39
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[sylpheed:23284] Re: Want a default, account-independent SMTP server setting.

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:42:18 -0500
Tommy Reynolds <Tommy.Reynolds <at> MegaCoder.com> put fingers to keyboard and
said:

> Uttered Bill Moran <wmoran <at> potentialtech.com>, spake thus:
> 
> > If your SMTP relay doesn't support SMTP AUTH, you should jump all over
> > the admin to get it implemented.  It's going to be needed sooner or
> > later, and (based on your experience) probably sooner.
> 
> Sorry, I must not have expressed myself clearly.
> 
> My ISP at home is bellsouth.net and they aren't going to change their
> policy of requiring the SMTP access point to be their own SMTP
> server.  Unfortunately, they only accept SMTP traffic from an IP
> address inside their own network, so while on the road I have to change
> all the Sylpheed SMTP settings to point to whatever ISP services my
> hotel uses, or to some other SMTP relay (most accounts have their own
> preferred server anyway).

If enough of their customers complain (who am I kidding, probably most of
their customers never leave home) they might at least consider it...  Put
another way, "If you don't ask, the answer's always no".

> If Sylpheed had an "override SMTP server" selection, road warrior
> life would be a bit less risky because I wouldn't need to fiddle with
> correct-most-of-the-time settings just because of where I happened to
> be today.  Cheers!

In the mean time, the idea sounds like a good one to me.
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david feldman | 3 Aug 2004 17:27
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[sylpheed:23285] What does Sylpheed do at start-up (delay)?

I have installed Sylpheed on a HP Omnibook 800CT/166 (Pentium 1 - 166 MHz, 
MMX) running Redhat 9 linux. The machine has 80M RAM.

When I start sylpheed, the main window and background widgets paint fairly 
quickly (a few seconds), but then there is a long pause (about 10 seconds) 
before the text widgets (pull-down menus and such) appear. There are no hard 
drive accesses during this period, and this happens if the machine has 
internet access active or not. I had noticed the delay on the machine's 
predecessor (an Omnibook 800CT/133, 133 MHz, no MMX) as well, and I don't 
think it's proportional to CPU speed (at least not much.)

Is this normal?

Dave
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jeff | 3 Aug 2004 18:10

[sylpheed:23286] keyboard adjustment


I read mail by using the space bar to page though new
email but every so often it would be nice to go
back and review something.  From habit the pgup key
is pressed.  This pages the summary window and the
current message dissapears.  Is there a way to do
one of the following:

 1. have pgup/pgdn only apply to message window
 2. have the space bar automatically select the
    message window for pgdn/pgup actions

I can click in the message window and then use the
pgup/pgdn keys but that is a nusciance when reviewing
a lot of mail.  There is probably a simple answer
for this problem but i have not been able to find it.

 jeff (gave up kmail for sylpheed)
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Paul | 3 Aug 2004 18:19

[sylpheed:23287] Re: keyboard adjustment

Op Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:10:23 -0700 schreef jeff:

> 1. have pgup/pgdn only apply to message window
> 2. have the space bar automatically select the
>    message window for pgdn/pgup actions

When you hit backspace, the message scrolls back.

Paul

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Bill Moran | 3 Aug 2004 18:47

[sylpheed:23288] Re: What does Sylpheed do at start-up (delay)?

"david feldman" <wb0gaz <at> hotmail.com> wrote:

> I have installed Sylpheed on a HP Omnibook 800CT/166 (Pentium 1 - 166 MHz, 
> MMX) running Redhat 9 linux. The machine has 80M RAM.
> 
> When I start sylpheed, the main window and background widgets paint fairly 
> quickly (a few seconds), but then there is a long pause (about 10 seconds) 
> before the text widgets (pull-down menus and such) appear. There are no hard 
> drive accesses during this period, and this happens if the machine has 
> internet access active or not. I had noticed the delay on the machine's 
> predecessor (an Omnibook 800CT/133, 133 MHz, no MMX) as well, and I don't 
> think it's proportional to CPU speed (at least not much.)
> 
> Is this normal?

It sure seems normal, as you seem to see it happening all the time ... ;)

A CPU at that speed probably isn't up to the challenge of running GTK+
applications.  I can imagine that instantiating all those button and other
objects can be quite CPU intensive.

Just playing around a bit, Sylpheed seems to peg my 1Ghz processor for about
a half second during startup.  I would expect that a 133/166 processor would
have a considerably longer wait.

But you could isolate the problem with some additional research, like running
top or vmstat during startup, or otherwise monitoring things.

(I like to keep a few old CPUs around the office (200 - 400 mhz) to test
performance on stuff I write ... since they're so slow, it's easier to
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Tommy Reynolds | 3 Aug 2004 18:49
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[sylpheed:23289] Re: Want a default, account-independent SMTP server setting.

Uttered Bruce Bowler <bbowler <at> bigelow.org>, spake thus:

> > If Sylpheed had an "override SMTP server" selection, road warrior
> > life would be a bit less risky because I wouldn't need to fiddle with
> > correct-most-of-the-time settings just because of where I happened to
> > be today.  Cheers!
> 
> In the mean time, the idea sounds like a good one to me.

OK, I'll try my hand at developing a patch.  I'm not a GUI guy, but I
already have the new parts added to the CONFIGURATION / COMMON
PREFERENCES / SEND menu.  A quick scan suggests that all I need do is
fiddle with "src/send_message.[hc]" to use the new setting instead of
the server from the account setup.  This may take a bit because the
code is littered with direct accesses to the account setup: the
account server field is repeatedly accessed instead of promoting it
to a local variable but I can fix that.

Cheers!
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Roger Lindmark | 3 Aug 2004 19:13

[sylpheed:23290] Re: What does Sylpheed do at start-up (delay)?

På Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:27:49 -0600
"david feldman" <wb0gaz <at> hotmail.com> skrev:

> I have installed Sylpheed on a HP Omnibook 800CT/166 (Pentium 1 - 166
> MHz, MMX) running Redhat 9 linux. The machine has 80M RAM.
> 
> When I start sylpheed, the main window and background widgets paint
> fairly quickly (a few seconds), but then there is a long pause (about
> 10 seconds) before the text widgets (pull-down menus and such) appear.
> There are no hard drive accesses during this period, and this happens
> if the machine has internet access active or not. I had noticed the
> delay on the machine's predecessor (an Omnibook 800CT/133, 133 MHz, no
> MMX) as well, and I don't think it's proportional to CPU speed (at
> least not much.)
> 
> Is this normal?

Hi,

I have a P200MMX with 128 MB and it takes a couple of seconds for me.
Maybe it is a font issue as text seems to be involved in the problem.

Do you use KDE or Gnome? They consume pretty much memory. I use Fluxbox
instead that is fast and consumes much less memory.

Sincerely yours

Roger

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