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Nicolas Rachinsky | 1 Apr 11:00

Re: Directory / folder help please

* Kyle Wheeler <kyle-mutt <at> memoryhole.net> [2006-03-31 11:15 -0500]:
> On Friday, March 31 at 10:30 AM, quoth Patrick Shanahan:
> > (remember that 'maildir' required trailing '/')
> 
> VERY important!

Hu? In .procmailrc perhaps, but AFAIK not in mutt.

> >>my_hdr "From: Georgina Joyce <gena <at> genaj.plus.com>"
> >
> >I advise setting "from" rather than "my_hdr From:", see list traffic.
> >Reserve "my_hdr From:" for hooks.  
> >
> >set from='Georgina Joyce <gena <at> genaj.plus.com>'
> 
> More specifically, my_hdr is a command that only works on the current 
> email being composed. Because there is no current email when mutt 
> reads its muttrc, this command has no effect here. You should 
> definitely use "set from"

It has an effect. As soon as he begins to compose an e-mail this
header will be added.

But "set from" is better in this case.

> >>my_hdr "Reply-To: Georgina Joyce <gena <at> genaj.plus.com>"
> >
> >I think this inadvisable, but that is personal preference.
> 
> As before, my_hdr has no effect unless there is a current email being
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Kyle Wheeler | 1 Apr 16:02

Re: Directory / folder help please

On Saturday, April  1 at 11:00 AM, quoth Nicolas Rachinsky:
>>>> my_hdr "Reply-To: Georgina Joyce <gena <at> genaj.plus.com>"
>>>
>>> I think this inadvisable, but that is personal preference.
>> 
>> As before, my_hdr has no effect unless there is a current email being 
>> composed.
>> 
>> Additionally, this is not a header that YOU should set. This is a 
>> header used by mailing lists.
>
> What? No. Can you give any reference?

http://cr.yp.to/immhf/response.html

    Unfortunately, some mailing lists change the Reply-To field in 
    every message. I recommend sending replies to Mail-Reply-To, 
    defaulting to Reply-To, defaulting to From.

What it boils down to is that at worst “Reply-To” is an unreliable 
header (because many mailing lists mangle it), and at best it’s a 
duplicate header (because this information should already be in the 
“From” header). For mailing lists, use mutt’s support for 
Mail-Followup-To (i.e. the “lists” and “subscribe” commands), 
otherwise, don’t waste the extra bits sending a Reply-To header.

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Andrew Haninger | 1 Apr 19:17
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Re: Coloring matched text in headers

On 3/27/06, Andrew Haninger <ahaning <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> What I'd like to [be able to] do is to add color to my headers but
> only to the text that matches a regexp.
Browsing around, I found the following request for mutt-ng:
<http://developer.berlios.de/feature/?func=detailfeature&feature_id=624&group_id=2853>.

It seems like it's pretty old and still not really what I want, but
it's close. Does anyone know of a patch that will do this? Even an
experimental patch will do!

Thanks!

-Andy
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David Champion | 2 Apr 00:14
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Re: Directory / folder help please

* On 2006.04.01, in <20060401140237.GQ22131 <at> tunican.local>,
*	"Kyle Wheeler" <kyle-mutt <at> memoryhole.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>Additionally, this is not a header that YOU should set. This is a 
> >>header used by mailing lists.
> >
> >What? No. Can you give any reference?
> 
> http://cr.yp.to/immhf/response.html
> ...
> What it boils down to is that at worst “Reply-To” is an unreliable 
> header (because many mailing lists mangle it), and at best it’s a 
> duplicate header (because this information should already be in the 
> “From” header). For mailing lists, use mutt’s support for 

The point of Reply-To: is that some people prefer to think of From: as
"this address originated the message", rather than as "I would like
to receive replies at this address," D.J.Bernstein's dubious authority
notwithstanding.  cr.yp.to documents his opinions and recommendations,
but not a standard.  Reply-To: is advisory; it says "I prefer responses
here."  Any From: address should be capable of receiving (otherwise it's
not meaningful as an address, since addresses are by definition places
you can send to), but it's not necessarily the case that it's the most
desirable reply address.

If a MLM sets Reply-To: on your sent message, your responses are
affected whether or not you set Reply-To: yourself.  The edge case where
this has any bearing at all is when the recipient of a message via a
list which has altered Reply-To: elects to ignore the list's Reply-To:
and reply directly to the sender.  It's not compelling to me that this
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Georgina Joyce | 2 Apr 00:48

Are my source & save-hook statements right?

Hi All

Well I've switched from mh to mutt now and want to get my mail moving where I want it for reading or deleting.

Current fetchmail is putting my mail into /var/mail and my mbox +inbox.

I didn't want to keep messing about with my .muttrc file so I've added these 2 lines:
source +.lists
source +.rules

The mutt hasn't complained but is it reading them?

In my .rules file I have the following:

# My message rules for filing list messages

save-hook '~t "bashonline <at> yahoogroups\\.com"' +lists/bashonline
save-hook '~t "debian-hams <at> lists\\.debian\\.org"' +lists/debian-hams
save-hook '~t "mutt-users <at> mutt\\.org"' +lists/mutt-users
save-hook '~t "recycle-it <at> yahoogroups\\.com"' +lists/recycle-it
save-hook '~t "speakup <at> braille\\.uwo\\.ca"' +lists/speakup

Have I got these right?

My inbox is still populated with list messages am I something missing?

Your help is much appreciated, thanks!

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Patrick Shanahan | 2 Apr 01:04
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Re: Are my source & save-hook statements right?

* Georgina Joyce <gena <at> genaj.plus.com> [04-01-06 17:44]:
 ...
> # My message rules for filing list messages
> 
> save-hook '~t "bashonline <at> yahoogroups\\.com"' +lists/bashonline
 ... 
> Have I got these right?

no

> My inbox is still populated with list messages am I something missing?

Your rules are not matching on anything except 'inbox'.
improper escaping

try:
save-hook '~t bashonline <at> yahoogroups\.com' +lists/bashonline
or
save-hook '~t "bashonline <at> yahoogroups.com" +lists/bashonline
or
save-hook '~t bashonline <at> yahoogroups +lists/bashonline

note: the search element only needs to be unique, not complete.

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Kyle Wheeler | 2 Apr 03:25

Re: Are my source & save-hook statements right?

On Saturday, April  1 at 11:48 PM, quoth Georgina Joyce:
>save-hook '~t "bashonline <at> yahoogroups\\.com"' +lists/bashonline
>save-hook '~t "debian-hams <at> lists\\.debian\\.org"' +lists/debian-hams
>save-hook '~t "mutt-users <at> mutt\\.org"' +lists/mutt-users
>save-hook '~t "recycle-it <at> yahoogroups\\.com"' +lists/recycle-it
>save-hook '~t "speakup <at> braille\\.uwo\\.ca"' +lists/speakup
>
>Have I got these right?
>
>My inbox is still populated with list messages am I something missing?

In addition to Patric Shanahan’s advice, you should also be aware that 
save-hooks probably don’t do what you think they do. They do not 
automatically move mail from whatever folder you open to the folder 
specified. What they do is give you a default value for the prompt 
mutt gives you when you tell it to save a message somewhere.

Automatic mail filtering is probably better left in the hands of an 
MDA like procmail.

~Kyle
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Kyle Wheeler | 2 Apr 03:17

Re: Directory / folder help please

On Saturday, April  1 at 04:14 PM, quoth David Champion:
>* On 2006.04.01, in <20060401140237.GQ22131 <at> tunican.local>,
>*	"Kyle Wheeler" <kyle-mutt <at> memoryhole.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Additionally, this is not a header that YOU should set. This is a 
>> >>header used by mailing lists.
>> >
>> >What? No. Can you give any reference?
>> 
>> http://cr.yp.to/immhf/response.html
>> ...
>> What it boils down to is that at worst “Reply-To” is an unreliable 
>> header (because many mailing lists mangle it), and at best it’s a 
>> duplicate header (because this information should already be in the 
>> “From” header). For mailing lists, use mutt’s support for 
>
>The point of Reply-To: is that some people prefer to think of From: as
>"this address originated the message", rather than as "I would like
>to receive replies at this address," D.J.Bernstein's dubious authority
>notwithstanding.

True, however my original advice stands. There is no point to having 
both From and Reply-To headers that are identical.

~Kyle
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Derek Martin | 2 Apr 05:34
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Re: Directory / folder help please

On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 08:17:41PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
> On Saturday, April  1 at 04:14 PM, quoth David Champion:
> >The point of Reply-To: is that some people prefer to think of From: as
> >"this address originated the message", rather than as "I would like
> >to receive replies at this address," D.J.Bernstein's dubious authority
> >notwithstanding.
> 
> True, however my original advice stands. There is no point to having 
> both From and Reply-To headers that are identical.

Not entirely correct.  If the sender is concerned about the
possibility that some MTA will re-write the from header, using
reply-to is very much appropriate.  If, for example, the sender sends
mail from the same machine, occasionally connected to two different
ISPs (or VPN'd into their company, or whatever), this could be a
factor.

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James | 2 Apr 05:57

autoencrypt

When I set pgp_autoencrypt, mutt tries to encrypt messages to
recipients for whom I don't have keys.  Is there a function that tells
mutt "encrypt for this person if a key is available but otherwise send
cleartext"?

Thanks, muttkateers.

-J
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