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Ken Gunderson | 9 May 2012 21:54

[mew-int 3079] mew compared to wanderlust??

Hello:

No, it's not my intention to start a religious debate. I am, however, 
having a difficult time finding much of anything about these two mua 
modes on the net.  I have used various gui clients in the past but they 
seem bent on ever increasing bloat.  Nor am I a fan of webmail. Mutt 
would be my default "go to" TUI based mua but figured I'd investigate 
mail in emacs. I need to manage multiple IMAP accounts with lots of 
folders. I store my mail server side so I can access from multiple 
machines - typically workstations with 24x7 connections. Hence offline 
imap stores, pop, maildir, usenet, etc. are pretty much not even on my 
radar. I prefer my mail in ascii but also need to be able to view 
html'ized nonsense and open various attachments.  My background is as a 
sysadmin rather than programmer and I don't want to have to become an 
e/lisp expert just to get my mua configured. I've also only recently 
switched to emacs so there's still a big learning curve ahead.

Mew appears to be more actively maintained and has better documentation 
but it also appears that Wanderlust may be preferred of the two. Perhaps 
because of MH support and allegedly superior IMAP support.  Such 
references are pretty dated, however, so I don't know how relevant to 
current times. Mew and Wanderlust otherwise appear to be pretty similar 
and I'd appreciate it if someone would compare and contrast their 
differences and similarities in the context of my use case.

TIA-- Ken
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Britt Anderson | 9 May 2012 22:48
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[mew-int 3080] Re: mew compared to wanderlust??

I recently tried mew and gnus as mua's and I am now using Mutt. What I found the most important issue to be was
trying to deal with my employer's Exchange Server for both IMAP and SMTP. Trying to get that set-up was the
real headache. mew actually worked well getting the mail, but I had trouble with the outgoing mail. Mutt is
working fine.

So, my advice is that which to use may depend on the servers you are communicating with. Since Mutt has the
larger user base it may be easier to find solutions to uncommon problems. And you can still use emacs as the editor.

But I did like my mew experience and hope to come back to it some day.
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Jeffrey M Roth | 9 May 2012 23:06
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[mew-int 3081] Re: mew compared to wanderlust??


Hi All - I have been using MEW for about 2 years, and I am really happy
with it.  It works fine in the IMAP/Exchange/SMTP world, and subfolders
are easy to use and set up.  I also access subfolders, like the messages
sent from my handheld, which is brilliant.  It shows HTML fine, and
plain text of course; standard attachments work like a charm.

I really like the MEW environment, and am very thankful that I can
still efficiently work in emacs for email. :)

It does take some set up to get going on your system (I'm using ubuntu),
but once you switch I believe you'll like it.  I didn't ever get my
outgoing email certificates/keys to work, though spent a lot of time on
it; would like to revisit that again at some point.

Thanks!
Jeff

From: Ken Gunderson <kgunders <at> teamcool.net>
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Subject: [mew-int 3079] mew compared to wanderlust??
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 15:54:53 -0400
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> Hello:
> 
> No, it's not my intention to start a religious debate. I am, however, 
> having a difficult time finding much of anything about these two mua 
> modes on the net.  I have used various gui clients in the past but they
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Bill Day | 9 May 2012 23:09
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[mew-int 3082] Re: mew compared to wanderlust??

I moved from wanderlust to mew because I find mew has better support for encryption, particularly S/MIME.

I solved my issues with exchange by setting up davmail on a tomcat server.

Bill Day

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On May 9, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Britt Anderson <britt <at> uwaterloo.ca> wrote:

> I recently tried mew and gnus as mua's and I am now using Mutt. What I found the most important issue to be was
trying to deal with my employer's Exchange Server for both IMAP and SMTP. Trying to get that set-up was the
real headache. mew actually worked well getting the mail, but I had trouble with the outgoing mail. Mutt is
working fine.
> 
> So, my advice is that which to use may depend on the servers you are communicating with. Since Mutt has the
larger user base it may be easier to find solutions to uncommon problems. And you can still use emacs as the editor.
> 
> But I did like my mew experience and hope to come back to it some day.
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Ken Gunderson | 10 May 2012 00:47

[mew-int 3083] Re: mew compared to wanderlust??

On 05/09/2012 02:48 PM, Britt Anderson wrote:
> I recently tried mew and gnus as mua's and I am now using Mutt. What I found the most important issue to be was
trying to deal with my employer's Exchange Server for both IMAP and SMTP. Trying to get that set-up was the
real headache. mew actually worked well getting the mail, but I had trouble with the outgoing mail. Mutt is
working fine.
>
> So, my advice is that which to use may depend on the servers you are communicating with. Since Mutt has the
larger user base it may be easier to find solutions to uncommon problems. And you can still use emacs as the editor.
>
> But I did like my mew experience and hope to come back to it some day.

Thanks for the perspective.  As added data point, at this time I do not 
need to access any Exchange servers and I manage the IMAP and SMTP servers.

I used Mutt extensively in a former life with vi as editor.  And I would 
be happy to do so again.  I do find, however, that switching back and 
forth between vi and emacs bindings is a bit of a drag. Especially when 
I'm relative emacs newbie and trying to ditch the nasty ESC habit. Yeah, 
I know I can config Mutt to use Emacs, but lots of the other bindings 
are also 'vi like'.

I should also mention, that all other things being equal, I would like 
to use something that plays nicely with org-mode.

Curious if any here have come to Mew via Wanderlust?  I have encountered 
a few testimonials on the web from folks going from Mew to Wanderlust 
but not the converse.

Thanks to all who've replied.  Glad to see that life does exist on the 
Mew list :-)
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Harri Kiiskinen | 10 May 2012 09:03
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[mew-int 3084] Re: mew compared to wanderlust??

I have on occasions tried various other mua's during the last few
years, just out of curiosity, but I always come back to Mew after a
few days. Main reasons are the efficient refiling system and features
like automatically choosing one's role ("case" in Mew terminology)
according to whatever one wants to use. And this is one of the good
features of Mew, a decent and easy support for different roles with
different server settings – almost everything can be set up according
to the role ("case") one is in.

The learning curve is steep in the beginning, and most of the
configuration required some understanding on the elisp structures –
but I'm no elisp guru, and still have been quite succesful in
achieving whatever I want.

A definitive requirement for me, too, is the interoperability with
Org-mode, which is good.

Just my 5c,

Harri K.
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Xu Jingtao | 15 May 2012 10:43
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[mew-int 3085] a feature request for mew.

Hi author,

Firstly let me say thanks for your good work on mew.

And secondly, I want a feature in mew, like gnus or google mail page,
show replied mails as orginal mail' substree.
like this:

- a feature request for mew.
--- Re: a feature request for mew.
------ Re: Re: a feature request for mew.

___________________________________
With Best Regards.
jingtao.
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Harald Hanche-Olsen | 15 May 2012 18:42
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[mew-int 3086] Re: a feature request for mew.

[Xu Jingtao <jingtaozf <at> gmail.com> (2012-05-15 08:43:24 UTC)]

> And secondly, I want a feature in mew, like gnus or google mail page,
> show replied mails as orginal mail' substree.
> like this:
> 
> - a feature request for mew.
> --- Re: a feature request for mew.
> ------ Re: Re: a feature request for mew.

Try marking the messages you are interested in, then hit m t
(mew-summary-mark-thread). Mew will create a new buffer with the
messages in threaded order.

- Harald
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Alan Bram | 15 May 2012 20:33
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[mew-int 3087] Re: a feature request for mew.


On May 15, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Harald Hanche-Olsen wrote:

> Try marking the messages you are interested in, then hit m t
> (mew-summary-mark-thread). Mew will create a new buffer with the
> messages in threaded order.

That's an interesting feature.  However, I was dismayed to discover
that it seems to have the effect of then erasing all the marks.  I
had a large number of marked messages in my %inbox, and now all the marks
are gone!  :-(
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Harald Hanche-Olsen | 16 May 2012 10:51
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[mew-int 3088] Re: a feature request for mew.

[Alan Bram <alan.bram <at> cornell.edu> (2012-05-15 18:33:00 UTC)]

> 
> On May 15, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Harald Hanche-Olsen wrote:
> 
> > Try marking the messages you are interested in, then hit m t
> > (mew-summary-mark-thread). Mew will create a new buffer with the
> > messages in threaded order.
> 
> That's an interesting feature.  However, I was dismayed to discover
> that it seems to have the effect of then erasing all the marks.  I
> had a large number of marked messages in my %inbox, and now all the marks
> are gone!  :-(

Sorry to hear that. It's a bit late now, but what you could have done
is to mark all (m a) in the virtual buffer before leaving it with C-c
q. The idea behind this feature is that you can further refine the
selection of messages by one of the selective message marking
functions.

I have asked on this list for a mark that behaves like *, but which
does not have the side effects of altering the state of messages on
the server. That would require a bit of rethinking of how marks work,
I think, so it's more than an afternoon's hack.

- Harald
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