Dov Oxenberg | 1 Apr 04:21 2008
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Re: alias question...

Hi Mark,
Not surprisingly you were right on target again :-)
And please bear with me as I am relatively new to Linux and I really do try to help myself as much as I can before
turning to the list for help.
Apparently the target files/folders on my system are under /var/lib/mailman/.  So, thanks to your help I
have now overcome this hurdle.  And yes, I had postfix set as the value for MTA.I am now stepping through all
the troubleshooting steps in the mailman FAQ here
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.078.htp as I am not able to see
pending requests in the web interface and not receiving mail from the list, any kind of mail (also not
seeing the logo images, just the placeholders).
What is strange is that in the graphical web based administration interface to my VPS, all the permissions
appear set correctly, as far as I know, on /var/lib/mailman because I am seeing list as the group and root as
the user on all the directories.  As far as the user, list is only on locks and qfiles.
When I originally ran check_perms it returned something like 80 "errors" so I ran it again with the -f flag
and am now getting 11 errors, but only in the command line!  When I again run check_perms -f it still reports
back the same 11 "errors" as in:
/var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root; expected list) (fixing) and so forth through the remaining
10 directories.
I have rebooted the machine but still appear to be stuck in the loop....any ideas???
Thanks again for your indulgence.
Dov

> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:55:32 -0700> From: mark <at> msapiro.net> To: boxenberg <at> hotmail.com> CC:
mailman-users <at> python.org> Subject: Re: RE: [Mailman-Users] alias question...> > Dov Oxenberg
wrote:> > Hi,> > Actually this is probably the fourth or fifth time I am revisiting > > "Chapter 6."> > But I
seem to be making better progress now than in my previous attempts.> > I am at the part where I am trying to
make sure data/aliases* have the > > correct ownership, GID, etc. When I issue "genaliases" it seems to > >
work...at least I get the command prompt back with no reported errors. > > Then, I try to do "chown
mailman:mailman..." and am receiving the error > > message "chown: cannot access 'data/aliases*' : No
such file or directory"> > > Have you set> > MTA = 'Postfix'> > in mm_cfg.py? Probably you have since
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Mark Sapiro | 1 Apr 04:59 2008
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Re: alias question...

Dov Oxenberg wrote:

> Apparently the target files/folders on my system are under 
> /var/lib/mailman/.  So, thanks to your help I have now overcome this 
> hurdle.  And yes, I had postfix set as the value for MTA.
> I am now stepping through all the troubleshooting steps in the mailman 
> FAQ here 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.078.htp 
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.078.htp> as 
> I am not able to see pending requests in the web interface and not 
> receiving mail from the list, any kind of mail (also not seeing the logo 
> images, just the placeholders).

Did you add hash:/var/lib/mailman/date/aliases to the alias_maps setting 
in your Postfix main.cf?

> What is strange is that in the graphical web based administration 
> interface to my VPS, all the permissions appear set correctly, as far 
> as I know, on /var/lib/mailman because I am seeing list as the group and 
> root as the user on all the directories.  As far as the user, list is 
> only on locks and qfiles.
> When I originally ran check_perms it returned something like 80 "errors" 
> so I ran it again with the -f flag and am now getting 11 errors, but 
> only in the command line!  When I again run check_perms -f it still 
> reports back the same 11 "errors" as in:
> /var/lib/mailman/logs bad group (has: root; expected list) (fixing) and 
> so forth through the remaining 10 directories.
> I have rebooted the machine but still appear to be stuck in the 
> loop....any ideas???

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Dov Oxenberg | 1 Apr 05:44 2008
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Re: alias question...

Here is the line from my main.cf:
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
The results of my ls -l, which by the way I had looked at earlier also and neglected to mention, are
illustrated in the attached screen shot.
I see the system thinks the group membership is root rather than list, is that about right?
Yes, I am logged in as root both in the gui and ssh.
Ok, this is just too weird...I did chgrp etc. and then ls -l again and it it made no difference, group
membership did not get changed.
Well, as was said, "...the game is afoot Watson...."
Have to look into this and figure out what is going on.
Thanks again for your help!
Dov
 > Did you add hash:/var/lib/mailman/date/aliases to the alias_maps setting > in your Postfix main.cf?> >
>  > > I have no idea why your file management GUI would show you one thing and > check_perms something else.
what does command line "ls -l" show?> > Are you running check_perms as root? If so, and for whatever reason,
> check_perms doesn't fix it, you can always do> > chgrp list /var/lib/mailman/*> > Also, if your Mailman
user:group is list:list, that is what you should > set the user:group of
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases* to.> > See the section just below the warning box at >
<http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node10.html> for some information > on icons, although the
default setting IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/' seems to > be correct for many apache installations.> > -- > Mark
Sapiro <mark <at> msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use
your sense - B. Dylan> 
Matthias Rank | 1 Apr 16:38 2008
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Not all subscribers receive emails

Hi everybody.
I have a problem with Mailman. When I send an email to a list this won't 
be any problem for very little lists up to a size of about 15 
subscribers. But if the list grows there are more and more people who 
don't receive emails and produce bounces like "testlist: a <at> b.de bounce 
score: 1.0" or "testlist: a <at> b.de has stale bounce info, resetting". The 
amazing is that there is no obvious system which persons do not receive 
emails, especially these are not always the same people and they are 
member of different email providers. Furthermore there are some (few) 
people who do hardly receive any email sent with Mailman although their 
email-accounts are okay.
I'm using plesk, so any other mta than qmail won't work, if this might 
be the problem.
I'm very confused and would be very glad about help.
Regards, Matthias

Mark Sapiro | 1 Apr 17:56 2008
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Re: alias question...

Dov Oxenberg wrote:
> Here is the line from my main.cf:
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mail/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases
> The results of my ls -l, which by the way I had looked at earlier also 
> and neglected to mention, are illustrated in the attached screen shot.
> I see the system thinks the group membership is root rather than list, 
> is that about right?

[Note: the screenshot was output from ls -l of /var/lib/mailman showing 
7 actual subdirectories and 11 symlinks to to directories in other places.]

The /var/lib/mailman/* things whose ownership you can't change are 
symlinks to other directories. The fact that chgrp doesn't 'work' is 
normal because it changes the group of the target, not that of the 
symlink itself.

This is an unusual way of installing Mailman, but it should be OK. You 
can just ignore the errors from check_perms in this case. But, this all 
indicates your Mailman is an unusual package, so our installation 
manual, FAQ, etc. may not be completely relevant.

The real issue appears to be the fact that there is a 
/var/lib/mailman/messages directory, and it appears from its link count 
to have 32 subdirectories. This suggests that your package might be 
setup to use Mailman's 'Maildir' delivery instead of aliases (but again 
in a non-standard way). I'm guessing that that's where your messages 
are, and MaildirRunner or whatever is supposed to process them on the 
Mailman side is not running.

You need to do one of two things. Either, go to documentation and 
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Mark Sapiro | 1 Apr 18:29 2008
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Re: Not all subscribers receive emails

Matthias Rank wrote:

>Hi everybody.
>I have a problem with Mailman. When I send an email to a list this won't 
>be any problem for very little lists up to a size of about 15 
>subscribers. But if the list grows there are more and more people who 
>don't receive emails and produce bounces like "testlist: a <at> b.de bounce 
>score: 1.0" or "testlist: a <at> b.de has stale bounce info, resetting". The 
>amazing is that there is no obvious system which persons do not receive 
>emails, especially these are not always the same people and they are 
>member of different email providers. Furthermore there are some (few) 
>people who do hardly receive any email sent with Mailman although their 
>email-accounts are okay.
>I'm using plesk, so any other mta than qmail won't work, if this might 
>be the problem.
>I'm very confused and would be very glad about help.

Some MTA in the delivery chain is not accepting more that 15 (?)
recipients per message. Presumably, this is the qmail that Mailman is
talking to. If it is your qmail, you may be able to adjust it to
accept more recipients, or you can set

SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10

in mm_cfg.py to tell Mailman to never send to more than 10 recipients
per SMTP transaction.

Once you do this, I think the bulk of your bounces will go away. Then
you can investigate any remaining non-receipt problems.

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Con Wieland | 1 Apr 18:46 2008
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total site subscribers

Before I do this myself. Does anyone have a script to list all  
subscribers to a mailman site?

Con Wieland
UC Irvine

Attila Kinali | 1 Apr 18:51 2008
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Re: total site subscribers

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:46:33 -0700
Con Wieland <cwieland <at> uci.edu> wrote:

> Before I do this myself. Does anyone have a script to list all  
> subscribers to a mailman site?

How about `find_members .*` ?
Alternatively a combination of list_members and list_lists
should also work.

			Attila Kinali

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But blest in my name forever this stream that stanched my thirst!
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Dov Oxenberg | 1 Apr 18:52 2008
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Re: alias question...

Hi,
I think I just spent too long in front of the computer yesterday :-)
Under /var/lib/mailman/messages folder are directories with what appear to be country abbreviations?
For example, under /var/lib/mailman/messages/eu/ there is a folder called LC_Messages, and under that
two files, mailman.mo and mailman.po
I am not 100% positive, but I could swear I installed mailman by running configure>make>make install
I would think that should have compiled a build based on my system specific configuration?  On the other hand
it is entirely possible, in fact probably likely <g>, I either fudged something when I ran configure or
provided some value at some point I should not have.
Thanks,
Dov

> The real issue appears to be the fact that there is a > /var/lib/mailman/messages directory, and it
appears from its link count > to have 32 subdirectories. This suggests that your package might be > setup to
use Mailman's 'Maildir' delivery instead of aliases (but again > in a non-standard way). I'm guessing
that that's where your messages > are, and MaildirRunner or whatever is supposed to process them on the >
Mailman side is not running.> > You need to do one of two things. Either, go to documentation and > support
resources specific to your OS and Mailman package for help, or > rip it all out and install a standard
Mailman distribution.> > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark <at> msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers,> San
Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan> 
Mark Sapiro | 1 Apr 19:01 2008
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Re: total site subscribers

Con Wieland wrote:

>Before I do this myself. Does anyone have a script to list all  
>subscribers to a mailman site?

  bin/find_member .

(The '.' is intentional - it is a regexp that matches any character)

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-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark <at> msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


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