Conrad G T Yoder | 18 Apr 04:40 2014
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Seeing your own sig appear in (someone else's) email to the list

One of my users on one of my lists is seeing something odd.  His own signatures are appearing on other
people’s emails sent to a Mailman (2.1.14) list.  Some points of info:

- He has his own domain, hosted by google
- Email is read on the web (not sure which browser)
- It appears on some, but not all list posts
- Started happening “about a week ago”
- I do not see his signatures when the same emails come to me, nor are they in the archive.
- He is a list admin and moderator.  The list is fully moderated and he approves/rejects most of the posts.

Is he crazy?  Any idea how to track this “problem” down?

-Conrad

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Lindsay Haisley | 17 Apr 20:01 2014

DMARC and From header munging

It occurred to me that one possible variation on From: header munging
which wouldn't break any applications depending on this being an actual,
working address for a post's author, while still passing DMARC
authentication, would be for Mailman to change the From: address to a
VERP-like address with the author's address encapsulated within an
address  <at>  the list server.  Any mail received by the list server for
this address would have its address parsed by Mailman and be redirected
to the original author's real email address.  Would this pass RFC
compliance?

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Richard Shetron | 17 Apr 15:23 2014

Upgrade 2.1.14 to 2.1.17 on Ubuntu Question

I've searched the list and found enough related posts that this looks
like it should be simple just reinstall, hopefully with the original
PREFIX settings and probably diff the old and new mm_cfg.py files just
to catch all the changes/new features/etc.

I have visual problems so my eyes often go fuzzy if I do too much
computer work at one time.

However I find there may be a complication from a problem made from the
initial install of 2.1.14.

The initial install was done as user mailman, group mailman.  When I
reboot the server it seems to set mailman to user list, group list and I
have to go an fix permissions and ownership back to mailman:mailman.

If I install 2.1.17 over 2.1.14 and use list:list for user:group will
this fix the 'problem'?  Are there any gotchas I should be aware of?
I've found that at least with the current install (not done by me) that
fixing all the bin/checkperm problems will actually break mailman on the
server ;)

If relevant we are using postfix.

I was thinking of upgrading to MM3, but I don't see any final release
version and no software to upgrade from 2.1.x to 3.x.

Thanks in advance.

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Laura Creighton | 17 Apr 13:19 2014
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Trying to understand charset encoding in mailman

I am trying to understand how charset encoding works, and I get the
distinct idea that I must be missing one small, vital piece of
information.

Background: The problem arose as follows:

Somebody changed the footer of the EuroPython Mailing list which is hosted
at python.org to be:

EuroPython 2014 \x96 Berlin, 21th\x9627th July

Note the two \x96 s.  The intent was almost certainly to have this string
interpreted by the windows-1252 charset, where \x96 means a en dash.  But
the Europython mailing list is configured so that its messages come out

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Since \x96 is an unrecognised character in us-ascii, my mailer complained
bitterly every time I read an EP message.  Being a list admin, this
bothered me, and I thought it would be my job to fix things.

I thought I would change the charset to utf-8.  After all, most European
languages do not fit into "us-ascii" in any event.  What if the conference
had been held in my home town of Göteborg, for instance?

But unless I have overlooked something, there is no way to make a charset
change on a per-list basis through the mailman administrative interface.
Instead you have to edit mm_cfg.py 

Even if I had root access on python.org, I wouldn't really want to inflict
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Amit Bhatt | 17 Apr 08:22 2014
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Seeking suggestion for better services for mailing list

We are using the services from ultrahost.us There is no response from
Ultrahost team in spite of our several tickets loged. Is anyone
confronting the similar issue with them?
I think now we may again have to change the service provider where we
can get unlimited traffic with mailman as per the requirement.
Do we have any hosting provider in India or Asia region? IN US we do
face gap in communication when it comes to get the solution.

Thanks,

Amit Bhatt

These days our list is out of function due to their server updation and all.
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Jon 1234 | 17 Apr 01:06 2014
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Mirror mailing list with web forum

I'd be interested in how others have implemented this. Here are the options I've identified so far, with
some questions.

* FUDforum - http://www.fudforum.org/forum/

This is a forum with a 'mailing list manager' admin page. For me, the script to send list emails to the web
forum only works from the command line, and I can't get postfix to pipe emails to that script (or, at least, I
can't get the script to do anything). 

Has anyone got over that problem? I've asked on their own forum but no response yet. 

* Groupserver - http://groupserver.org/

It looks like an absolute beast to install but is a combined mailing list/web forum. I would would prefer not
to leave Mailman so wonder...

When is Mailman 3 likely to be released (roughly) and - if that is ages away - what are the chances of being able
to migrate 'back' from Groupserver to Mailman 3? 

* PHPBB - https://www.phpbb.com/

They say there is no mailing list feature with version 3. 

* Tikiwiki CMS Groupware - https://info.tiki.org/ 

This has a forum which apparently can mirror a Mailman list - has anyone tried this? 

Sorry for all the questions. Answers to any of them would be appreciated!

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jason fb | 16 Apr 20:54 2014

DMARC


Isn't this DMARC issue a bellwether for the end of email lists as we know them?  It seems to me that the means of
production (the internet backbone, the mail servers, etc) are now owned by Big Media (Comcast, Walt
Disney, CBS, Viacom, Time Warner) and it is in their interest to make sure they can sell as much advertising
as possible to the cattle. 

People who operate Mailman servers (you guys) are just the little guys who are helping people facilitate
non-advertisable communication between the masses.

This seems like a poignant example of the fiction of the distributed network. The last 15 years of the
internet history (indeed, the first 15 years of internet history) has been the story of the consolidation
of control into the hands of the few, not the open and egalitarian peer-to-peer network utopia that the
internet was touted to be in populist culture.

If I really have something to say to someone, I write it using ink and paper, put it in an envelope, put a stamp
on it and drop it into an actual post box. This way I know the NSA can't see it. 

-Jason
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Lindsay Haisley | 16 Apr 16:40 2014

More mass unsubscriptions

This morning at 9 AM CDT one of FMP's lists here saw another mass
unsubscription event - 51 subscribers with the usual ESP addresses:
hotmail, yahoo, comcast, bellsouth, etc.  Checking the list archive,
there have been no posts to the list from yahoo.com since the 13th.

Someone else must be publishing a DMARC p=reject record.  Any insight on
this?  

I've told the list admins that putting all yahoo.com subscribers on
moderation so that they can read list traffic but not post would put a
band-aid on the problem, but apparently this isn't the case.

Is there a delay inherent in Mailman's bounce processing that would
cause the unsubscriptions today rather than on the 13th when the last
yahoo.com post was received by the list?  Posts that have come to the
list today are from:

osu.edu
sbcglobal.net
cyberport.net

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Lindsay Haisley | 16 Apr 15:58 2014

DMARC and Gmail

Has anyone seen issues with Gmail accounts and Yahoo's DMARC policy?
I've been working with the list admins of one of FMP's hosted lists and
they've seen over 100 addresses unsubscribed from the usual suspects -
yahoo.com, att.net, Comcast, etc., but no Gmail accounts and there are
228 of them on the list.  Nonetheless, the PC World article at
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-breaks-mailing-lists.html
lists Gmail as being one of the cooperating email service providers
honoring Yahoo's DMARC p=reject policy.

I've been telling list admins to recommend that subscribers drop their
Yahoo accounts in favor of Gmail.  What's the story here?

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Walt Thiessen | 15 Apr 23:25 2014

email subscribe command not responding

I have a list where the email command to subscribe another user doesn't 
seem to work when I include it in the body of an email and send it to 
mylist-request <at> mydomain.tld.

subscribe [$<$PASSWORD$>$] [digest|nodigest] [address=$<$ADDRESS$>$]

When I try to use it, I get no notification back of any kind.

is there a setting somewhere that might be affecting this functionality?
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Shavkat_BEK | 15 Apr 22:23 2014
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NEED HELP: Mailman is not archiving

Hello,

I have a lot of mailing lists that I have to look after. NB: I am not
familiar with mailman.

I recently found out that the mailman is not archiving most of the mailing
lists. Here is some info that might give you some idea of what is going on.

1. /var/log/mailman/qrunner:

Apr 13 04:02:04 2014 (15275) Master watcher caught SIGHUP.  Re-opening log
files.
Apr 13 04:02:04 2014 (15280) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP.  Reopening
logs.
Apr 13 04:02:04 2014 (15284) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP.
Reopening logs.
Apr 13 04:02:04 2014 (15281) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP.
Reopening logs.
Apr 13 04:02:04 2014 (15285) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP.  Reopening
logs.
Apr 13 04:02:04 2014 (15279) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP.  Reopening
logs.
Apr 13 04:02:04 2014 (15286) RetryRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP.  Reopening
logs.
Apr 13 04:02:04 2014 (15283) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP.  Reopening
logs.
Apr 13 04:02:04 2014 (15282) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGHUP.
Reopening logs.

2. /var/log/mailman/error:
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