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deliver mail marked as read

Hi.

This seems to be a very common problem, at least according to Google ....

What's the right way to deliver mail (i.e. "to") but have it marked as read?
Is it cleanly possible with maildrop?

I've seen somy rather ugly hacks using "cc" and some find shell
commands doing the renaming,... but this seems to be not safe, is it?

Thanks,
Philippe.

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Re: deliver mail marked as read

Philippe Cerfon writes:

> Hi.
>
> This seems to be a very common problem, at least according to Google ....
>
> What's the right way to deliver mail (i.e. "to") but have it marked as read?
> Is it cleanly possible with maildrop?

No.

> I've seen somy rather ugly hacks using "cc" and some find shell
> commands doing the renaming,... but this seems to be not safe, is it?

No, it's not.

For starters, not everything here is under the server's control. Even if a  
new message is inserted as non-new message, a mail client when it sees a  
previously unknown message may still flag it as unread.

Furthermore, if you don't want to see a particular message, the right  
approach is to deliver it to a different folder, other than INBOX. Problem  
solved.

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Re: deliver mail marked as read

Hi.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Sam Varshavchik <mrsam <at> courier-mta.com> wrote:
>> Is it cleanly possible with maildrop?
> No.

Would it be difficult to implement? I haven't looked at the code, but
it seems rather being just a different name used at delivery?! And
given that there seem to be some demand for it...

> For starters, not everything here is under the server's control. Even if a
> new message is inserted as non-new message, a mail client when it sees a
> previously unknown message may still flag it as unread.

Well obviously, but then the client is in error,... and it seems that
at least the major clients handle this correctly.

> Furthermore, if you don't want to see a particular message, the right
> approach is to deliver it to a different folder, other than INBOX. Problem
> solved.

I don't think that this solves the problem.
a) Most clients will then mark this folder as having unread mail and
some of the major grahical MUAs even mark the folder hierarchy above
somehow special, to denote that subfolders have unread mail.
This is particularly annoying as one as to look through the hierarchy
if anything interesting has arrived or not.

b) It means that one would have to use different folders for the same
"type" of mails. Imaing I get some automated log emails from some
server that should go to some folder like logs.someDomain.someHost.
No I want to mark mails containing failed/error/warning as unread and
all others as read.
When I use a special folder for this, I'd have to separate it, e.g.:
logs.someDomain.someHost.read
logs.someDomain.someHost.unread
Imagine now, that there are many hosts/domains in a big cluster, and I
have some client which collapses the folder hierarchy, you can easily
see that this doesn't help a lot, as one would still have to look
through the whole hierarchy.

Cheers,
Philippe

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merge dovecot-auth backend

Hi.

Perhaps you already know,... there's a patch
(http://wiki2.dovecot.org/maildrop) available to make user lookups
against dovecots own auth extension.

It seems to apply nicely and happily co-exist with the original system.
The license is also the same and there's even a nice README included.

Given that dovecot is major imap/pop3 server these days and people
like to use its own user auth system... and given that it would make
life a lot easier if this patch was merged upstream,... would it be
possible to do so?
Or at least tell, where it would have to be improved in order to get merged?

Perhaps it would be enough to merge it to the standalone maildrop :)

Thanks in advance,
Philippe.

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Re: merge dovecot-auth backend

Philippe Cerfon writes:

> Hi.
>
> Perhaps you already know,... there's a patch
> (http://wiki2.dovecot.org/maildrop) available to make user lookups
> against dovecots own auth extension.
>
> It seems to apply nicely and happily co-exist with the original system.
> The license is also the same and there's even a nice README included.
>
> Given that dovecot is major imap/pop3 server these days and people
> like to use its own user auth system... and given that it would make
> life a lot easier if this patch was merged upstream,... would it be
> possible to do so?
> Or at least tell, where it would have to be improved in order to get merged?
>
> Perhaps it would be enough to merge it to the standalone maildrop :)

maildrop uses courier-authlib for authentication. Any changes in this arena  
belong in courier-authlib, not maildrop.

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Re: merge dovecot-auth backend

On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Sam Varshavchik <mrsam <at> courier-mta.com> wrote:
> maildrop uses courier-authlib for authentication. Any changes in this arena
> belong in courier-authlib, not maildrop.

Guess that means "no",... would it then be easily possible to add such
similar support to courier-authlib?
The patch is rather small, so perhaps this can be easily done?

Cheers,
Philippe.

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Re: deliver mail marked as read

Or are there any other ways to get what I want and described before?

I'd really like to use maildrop for our local filtering at the
institute, as it seems to be very powerful and performant.
But unfortunately the ability to deliver mail marked as read is a
knock-out-criteria for us 

Cheers,
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Re: deliver mail marked as read

On 12/12/2011 11:29 AM, Philippe Cerfon wrote:
...
> But unfortunately the ability to deliver mail marked as read is a
> knock-out-criteria for us 

WTF does that even mean? Last I looked there was no such thing as "read"
in any of the relevant standards documents. Is there a new rfc out?

Dima
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Re: deliver mail marked as read

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Dimitri Maziuk <dmaziuk <at> bmrb.wisc.edu> wrote:
> WTF does that even mean? Last I looked there was no such thing as "read"
> in any of the relevant standards documents. Is there a new rfc out?

Don't think there's an RFC for maildir,... but this is the original
specification:
http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html
Read is the same as Seen.

Cheers,
Philippe.

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