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Christian Buhtz | 1 May 2007 12:28
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current state

Hi Vadim,

how would you describe the current state of Mahogany?
This time nobody work on it, right?

I looked over it for 10 minutes and tried some things. It looks quite 
nice and I like it because it use wxWidgets. So it is easy for me to 
work with the code.

The gui feels quite unergonomic. I tried to set up a 
nntp-server-account. In the preferences of the nntp-folder there are 
three(!) places where I can setup login informations (user-login, 
server, password) for the nntp-server.

Before I work more intensive with Mahogany I want to ask some simple things:

1. Is is possible to setup more than one NNTP-Account (for example three 
servers)?

2. Is it possible to setup more than one Mail-Account (pop3+smtp, imap)?

I am quite busy the next month, but I am looking forwarde to work on 
Mahogany code because I need a Mail-/News-Client. What do you think 
about it? :)

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Nerijus Baliunas | 2 May 2007 01:20
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Re: current state

On Tue, 01 May 2007 12:28:59 +0200 Christian Buhtz <exsudat <at> gmx.de> wrote:

CB> 1. Is is possible to setup more than one NNTP-Account (for example three 
CB> servers)?

Yes. See below.

CB> 2. Is it possible to setup more than one Mail-Account (pop3+smtp, imap)?

Yes. Please look in the Manual->FAQ->Can I have multiple POP3 or IMAP accounts?

Regards,
Nerijus

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Vadim Zeitlin | 2 May 2007 02:56
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Re: current state

On Tue, 01 May 2007 12:28:59 +0200 Christian Buhtz <exsudat <at> gmx.de> wrote:

CB> how would you describe the current state of Mahogany?
CB> This time nobody work on it, right?

 Hello,

 Unfortunately this is mostly true. As I use it as my email client I do
work on it but mostly just to keep it working with the latest wx versions
(sometimes adding code to take advantage of the new features in wx) and to
fix the bugs which affect me personally as well adding the features which I
myself need. But no big new features have been added since quite some time.

CB> The gui feels quite unergonomic. I tried to set up a
CB> nntp-server-account.

 First, I don't really advise using Mahogany as a news reader. It can be
used for this but it's really not convenient compared with a real news
reader. I use it for mail and very occasional news posting and continue to
use slrn for reading USENET.

CB> In the preferences of the nntp-folder there are three(!) places where I
CB> can setup login informations (user-login, server, password) for the
CB> nntp-server.

 Hmm, I'm not sure I understand this. "User name" and "password" are
usually not used with NNTP servers but if they're you can only enter them
here, where else? And the "server" field is mandatory, of course. I must be
missing something but I don't see anything especially unergonomic about
this.
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Christian Buhtz | 2 May 2007 16:14
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Re: current state

Hi Vadim

Vadim Zeitlin schrieb:
> First, I don't really advise using Mahogany as a news reader. It can be
> used for this but it's really not convenient compared with a real news
> reader.

What is the difference between M and other nntp-clients? Just the gui or 
problems with coding?

> Hmm, I'm not sure I understand this. "User name" and "password" are
> usually not used with NNTP servers but if they're you can only enter them
> here, where else? And the "server" field is mandatory, of course. I must be
> missing something but I don't see anything especially unergonomic about
> this.

btw: Where can I set the language to english? I found nothing like this 
in the global settings.

Ok, I start M and open the nntp-server preferences.
The first section is Access ("Zugriff").
The is a username ("Benutzername"), password, server and newsgroup.
I would think that this are the login infos for the nntp-server.
But I do not understand what the field "newsgroup" has to do on this 
place? Can I just subscribe to one newsgroup? Of course not, I think!?

The second section is Identity ("Identität"). This sections is quite 
logic. But there is a username ("Benutzername") field. What is this? 
What happens if I fill there and in the first-section-username-field 
different strings?
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Vadim Zeitlin | 2 May 2007 16:38
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Re: current state

On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:14:24 +0200 Christian Buhtz <exsudat <at> gmx.de> wrote:

CB> Vadim Zeitlin schrieb:
CB> > First, I don't really advise using Mahogany as a news reader. It can be
CB> > used for this but it's really not convenient compared with a real news
CB> > reader.
CB> 
CB> What is the difference between M and other nntp-clients? Just the gui or 
CB> problems with coding?

 The UI mainly, I think. It misses many things essential for a news reader.

CB> btw: Where can I set the language to english? I found nothing like this 
CB> in the global settings.

 The language is determined by the current locale but can be overridden
from the command line using the --lang option (see "./M --help").

CB> Ok, I start M and open the nntp-server preferences.
CB> The first section is Access ("Zugriff").
CB> The is a username ("Benutzername"), password, server and newsgroup.
CB> I would think that this are the login infos for the nntp-server.

 Yes.

CB> But I do not understand what the field "newsgroup" has to do on this 
CB> place? Can I just subscribe to one newsgroup? Of course not, I think!?

 You can. Each folder in M folder tree corresponds to one newsgroup, e.g.
try entering comp.soft-sys.wxwindows here.
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Christian Buhtz | 2 May 2007 20:09
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Re: current state

Vadim Zeitlin schrieb:
 > [very usefull explanations]

No I understand some things there. Thanks a lot!
And I am very suprised about that you mostly agree with my arguments. In 
knew the other way if we discuss something in the wx-groups. ;)

There is a lot of work to make Mahogany usefull for silly users like me! 
In german we say "DAU" (silliest assumed user) to this. Is there a 
english word for this?

In this state I am not able to use Mahogany productiv. But M is on the 
top of my TODO list (excluded my own backup project "blackfisk"). And I 
like how do you do thinks, Vadim (I see with wxWidgets).

I will contact you again if I finished my exame (I am gona be a nurse!) 
and my "blackfisk". I think it will be before christmas! ;)

best wishes
Christian

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Vadim Zeitlin | 3 May 2007 02:35
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Re: current state

On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:09:42 +0200 Christian Buhtz <exsudat <at> gmx.de> wrote:

CB> And I am very suprised about that you mostly agree with my arguments. In 
CB> knew the other way if we discuss something in the wx-groups. ;)

 It's difficult to disagree that Mahogany UI needs improvement.

CB> There is a lot of work to make Mahogany usefull for silly users like me! 

 To be fair, Mahogany was never meant to be "for dummies". Our goal was
from the beginning to write an advanced IMAP mail client which would
satisfy the most demanding users (such as Karsten and me :-). Of course,
it's not an excuse to have a confusing UI but it partly stems from the
overall hierarchical organization of the options which was part of the
original design.

CB> In german we say "DAU" (silliest assumed user) to this. Is there a 
CB> english word for this?

 The only expression I can think of is "to be fool-proof".

CB> I will contact you again if I finished my exame (I am gona be a nurse!) 
CB> and my "blackfisk". I think it will be before christmas! ;)

 I like that you carefully avoid saying of which year :-) Anyhow, good luck
with your project and you're always welcome to try making Mahogany better.

 Regards,
VZ
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Christian Buhtz | 5 May 2007 19:10
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problems to get the source from svn

I use TortoiseSVN as a svn-client on WinXPSP2.
I used the url described on sourceforge 
<https://mahogany.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/mahogany>

I canceled the checkout because there are to much files.
There is a trunk-folder and a lot of branches folders.
But I do not branches.

I just need the current version of mahogany to work with the code. How 
should I setup my svn-client to get the current relevant sources?

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Christian Buhtz | 5 May 2007 22:17
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Code::Blocks project

Would you add a Code::Blocks project file to SVN if I create one?

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Vadim Zeitlin | 5 May 2007 22:51
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Re: problems to get the source from svn

On Sat, 05 May 2007 19:10:21 +0200 Christian Buhtz <exsudat <at> gmx.de> wrote:

CB> I use TortoiseSVN as a svn-client on WinXPSP2.
CB> I used the url described on sourceforge 
CB> <https://mahogany.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/mahogany>
CB> 
CB> I canceled the checkout because there are to much files.
CB> There is a trunk-folder and a lot of branches folders.
CB> But I do not branches.
CB> 
CB> I just need the current version of mahogany to work with the code. How 
CB> should I setup my svn-client to get the current relevant sources?

 Use https://mahogany.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/mahogany/trunk/M to check
out just the trunk. The organization of the svn repository using branches,
tags and trunk directories is a standard one, see the subversion book for
details.

 Regards,
VZ

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