Jason | 13 Sep 16:37 2014
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Re: Wrapping


> For some reason when you read messages they do not adapt to the screen 
> size. Here is a little bit of the explanation of why this could be 
> happening.

Folks:

1) OP is sending email to/from this list using Yahoo mail.  He doesn't 
care about Yahoo mail.  He doesn't care what his messages to/from this 
list look like in Yahoo mail.  He doesn't care about Yahoo mail.

2) He is sending email to/from his boss at work using Alpine.  He cares 
what his email _to_ his boss looks like when his boss reads it in Outlook. 
He doesn't care what anyone else's email to him looks like in Alpine 
(ostensibly because it looks fine).

OP: you need to get yourself a Windows box and run Outlook and send 
yourself test messages.  Borrow one, dual-boot, use a terminal server if 
your company has one, etc; but somehow, you need to run Outlook yourself 
so you can personally experiment and see both sides of the transaction. 
You need to check the headers and the raw message bodies to see exactly 
what's coming through to Outlook.  Once you know that, you can begin the 
process of trying to make your messages look good in Outlook.

For what it's worth, I also use Alpine in a corporate environment and send 
from Alpine to folks who read theit mail with Outlook.  Flowed text works 
fine for me.  In both native Outlook and the Outlook Web Access client, 
going back at least five years, it has always worked fine.  I use the 
builtin pico editor most of the time, and occassionally shell out to vim 
(with ^_) when I want to selectively disable flowed text (e.g., quoting 
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Hans Stam | 12 Sep 22:12 2014
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version 2.00

Hello all..

Is version 2.00 the last version of Alpine?

Regards

Hans
Carlos E. R. | 11 Sep 20:52 2014

Re: Wrapping


On Thursday, 2014-09-11 at 10:38 -0700, stef wrote:
> On Wed, 9/10/14, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
>
>> That said, when I need to do
>> that, I use external editor "joe" and
>> switch wrap off with a keystroke.

> Carlos,
> The solution you suggested (external editor) works nicely for me--used it today.

Welcome :-)

> I can just use nano and turn off the "long line wrapping" with Alt+L and it seems to do the job.
> Incidentally, I also checked out "joe"--I'd been curious about it for a bit and it looks like a good
alternative. Crtl +TW to turn on/off wrapping and lots of other goodies.
> Tx.

joe has several "flavors". I call it as "jstar". You might like "jpico". 
All are symlinks to joe, but behave differently.

However, on your quoted paragraph above, the phrase that starts with 
"Incidentally", I can not read fully on Alpine while ty├Čng the reply, 
because it does not wrap, it is a single line and goes beyond the xterm 
window. Maybe there is an option that tells Alpine to reflow the quotes, 
but that would break the format of tables or log/commands printout, so I 
have to keep it this way.

That's also the reason why most of the people I correspond with in plain 
text email ask me to limit my line length to something about 70 chars.
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stef | 10 Sep 13:23 2014
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Wrapping

Hi,

Can I force Alpine NOT to wrap at 74 or 80 characters?

I think whatever the RFC's, that wrapping at the above values contributes to making text only email very
non-user friendly, difficult to read and less pleasing to the eye.

When you are dealing with professionals which are super busy and receive LOTS of emails every day, it helps
to have a message which is pleasing to the eye and easy to read and understand quickly.

To that effect, I thin minimal hml can be good (just use bold or italics to sometimes highlight key words
which can be scanned by recipient so he can then decide whether to actually read the email or trash it) and
certainly, having nice flowed longer lines than 74 or 80characters would help in that.

Just my 2 cents.  So is it possible and if so, how?

Thanks.
Mike Miller | 7 Sep 20:13 2014
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dealing with noncompliance to RFC 2047, section 5

I have received messages with attachments from someone who uses Airmail. 
One of the filenames looked like this:

Project =?utf-8?Q?1=5FOetting_?=pj edit =?utf-8?Q?9=5F6=5F14=5F2.docx?=

Alpine takes it as it is -- no decoding of the encoded words -- but Gmail 
correctly reads the filename like this:

Project 1_Oetting pj edit 9_6_14_2.docx

The problem seems to be that Alpine is strictly complying with RFC 2047 
while Gmail does the decoding:

https://airmail.tenderapp.com/help/discussions/airmail-beta-248/258-content-disposition-header-and-rfc-2184

"Airmail uses encoded words as the filename value which is forbidden in 
RFC2047 section 5:

    An 'encoded-word' MUST NOT be used in parameter of a MIME Content-Type
    or Content-Disposition field, or in any structured field body except
    within a 'comment' or 'phrase'.

... and in RFC 2231 section 2:

    MIME headers, like the RFC 822 headers they often appear in, are limited
    to 7bit US-ASCII, and the encoded-word mechanisms of RFC 2047 are not
    available to parameter values. This makes it impossible to have
    parameter values in character sets other than US-ASCII without
    specifying some sort of private per-parameter encoding.

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Stephen Casner | 31 Aug 03:55 2014
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Problem with text matching

I just discovered that when attempting to select messages based on a
text match to All msg text, alpine fails to match a given string that
is just US-ASCII when the message header claims:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

This situation arises because of the following:

X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by a.spam.sonic.net id s6TBKmmi006318

Similar messages that did not contain any quoted-printable characters
and were therefore not autoconverted have the following header lines:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

These match just fine.

I have included a sample of the problem message.  The string I was
trying to match was "will be due".

The problem exists in both Alpine 1.10 and Eduardo's 2.19.9991.

                                                        -- Steve
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Karthik Vishwanath | 29 Aug 03:52 2014
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Getting the name from LDAP

Hello,

I've been able to set up (and use) a name directory from my institute within alpine. I am able to search and find the person using their email-id (unique name), first/last names. However, on inserting the email address, the unique name is used as the person's name. For instance if searched for John Herbert (using firstname lastname) I get jherb1-l5h2vVXYEUtLSUbE8DKjGg@public.gmane.org - which is correct. Then alpine inserts
To: jherb1 <jherbr1 <at> myinstitute.org>

I'd like that to be
To: John Herbert <jherb1 <at> myinstitute.org>

How can I achieve this?

Thanks,

--
-Karthik Vishwanath
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<div>Hello,<br><br>
</div>I've been able to set up (and use) a name directory from my institute within alpine. I am able to search and find the person using their email-id (unique name), first/last names. However, on inserting the email address, the unique name is used as the person's name. For instance if searched for John Herbert (using firstname lastname) I get <a href="mailto:jherb1@...g">jherb1@...</a> - which is correct. Then alpine inserts<br>
</div>To: jherb1 &lt;<a href="mailto:jherbr1@...">jherbr1 <at> myinstitute.org</a>&gt; <br><br>
</div>I'd like that to be<br>
</div>To: John Herbert &lt;<a href="mailto:jherb1@...">jherb1 <at> myinstitute.org</a>&gt;<br><br>
</div>How can I achieve this? <br><br>Thanks,<br><div><div><div><div>
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<div>--<br>-Karthik Vishwanath</div>
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Adrian C. | 28 Aug 18:18 2014

Indenting lists in Alpine 2.x

Hello. I consulted for an organization that used Pine 4.x as their 
favorite MUA (that was cool to see). Helped them move to Alpine 2.x 
among other things.

Every 'problem' or feature request they had afterwords I was able to 
resolve by reading help or in very extreme cases minor patches. But this 
latest question I can't figure out and I'm hoping someone here does.

When justify command is used on lists in Alpine the text is indented 
with the first word of the first line:

1) Words...
   New line

But supposedly Pine 4.x did not do this when using the justify command, 
and it's not desirable behavior for them so they would very much like 
to revert: 

1) Words...
New line, not indented but otherwise nicely 'justified'

Thanks. 

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stef | 25 Aug 18:09 2014
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Fw: Custom Postponed Folder for Roles

errata: in my last post, I meant use the default value "postponed-messages" (on local mail).

--- On Mon, 8/25/14, stef <stef_204@...> wrote:

> From: stef <stef_204@...>
> Subject: Custom Postponed Folder for Roles
> To: alpine-info <at> u.washington.edu
> Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 6:02 PM
> Hi, Alpine version 2.03 on Linux.
> 
> I'm sure that this question has been asked over and over
> again but cannot see a clear answer to it.
> 
> I have set up several roles.
> 
> Is it possible to configure using a separate Postponed
> folder for each role (and email address)?
> 
> As things are, the Postponed folder used by Alpine to store
> postponed messages composed in ANT role is the default
> folder defined in the normal config.
> Since I defined an IMAP (Drafts) folder there, I do not want
> my messages postponed using a role, to the same default
> Drafts folder.
> 
> Is it possible to configure a Postponed folder to each
> role?
> 
> If not, the only solution I see is to use the "local"
> "saved-message" folder (which is not ideal.)
> 
> Thanks for feedback.
> 
> 
> 
> 

stef | 25 Aug 18:02 2014
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Custom Postponed Folder for Roles

Hi, Alpine version 2.03 on Linux.

I'm sure that this question has been asked over and over again but cannot see a clear answer to it.

I have set up several roles.

Is it possible to configure using a separate Postponed folder for each role (and email address)?

As things are, the Postponed folder used by Alpine to store postponed messages composed in ANT role is the
default folder defined in the normal config.
Since I defined an IMAP (Drafts) folder there, I do not want my messages postponed using a role, to the same
default Drafts folder.

Is it possible to configure a Postponed folder to each role?

If not, the only solution I see is to use the "local" "saved-message" folder (which is not ideal.)

Thanks for feedback.

stef | 25 Aug 11:49 2014
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Spell Check - Aspell

Hi,

New Alpine user, running it on Linux box.
(Incidentally, which is more active or preferred, this list or the comp.mail.pine group?)

I have set up aspell as the spell checker, using this command in the default speller config option unser S | C |
speller: aspell -c
This works perfectly well.

However, I would like to invoke aspell to prompt me for WHICH languages/dictionary file to use.

% aspell dump dicts
en
en-variant_0
en-variant_1
en-variant_2
en-w_accents
en-wo_accents
en_CA
[clip]
es

In other words, I would like that when using <Ctrl + T> in Compose (to send to spell check), aspell /Alpine
should present me with the list of dicts from which to choose, and, for example, if writing in Spanish, I can
choose the "es" file, etc.

I have searched for that on the web and tried a few commands but have not been able to get it to work.

Has anyone here been able to produce the above described result?

Thanks.

Gmane