Peter Koellner | 27 Nov 22:35 2015

filter rules


On occasion of 'black friday' - I was just wondering whether filter rule 
patterns are case sensitive or not, since said occasion seems to produce
spam of all variation that need filtering... Went through the help page 
for pattern, but did not really find anything about case sensitivity 
there... So... how do I get rid of all variants of that term the easiest way?



peter kollner <peter@...>
gotfryd | 26 Nov 13:06 2015

How to force plain text folder format?

  Wanted: forcing alpine (Windows) to create a folder by
default as clean text file (with the header sequences
of course), not the mbx indexed format.
  I've check the archive, found one thread from 1996-06-10,
with a bypass for old pine version thru enforcing "low
level libraries" by .mminit file with:
set empty-folder-format tenex
...control, b.ex. here:

  As in the message, unsupported (have even not check if will
work for current windows alpine) etc, but no better clue
was recommended.
  For one folder creation I can copy a emty template with the
internal control message and move a folder contens for the
newly created folder, I know, hovever it is not practical.

  Are there exist a better way?

best regards, Gotfryd
Peter Beckman | 25 Nov 16:03 2015

Index Lines Disappear/Reappear

I use tmux and run Alpine 2.20 on FreeBSD 10.2 in one of the virtual TTYs.
I'm using the Maildir patch with Alpine, and have built it from the FreeBSD
ports tree from source.

I was running Alpine 1.999 or 2.0 for a while in GNU Screen, and that
worked fine -- didn't have this issue.

The issue is that in the index list of emails, sometimes lines will appear
offset or appear and disappear at random.

Here's a video of me just hitting CTRL-L on the index screen (refresh)
repeatedly. Note that the refresh causes the line to appear and disappear.
It does not seem a deterministic problem.

Video of problem:

Suspects: double-byte values in sender or subject, hidden characters, nulls

I can also share screenshots of where the lines are offset.

Would love any help!

Peter Beckman                                                  Internet Guy
Charles Alexander | 24 Nov 14:03 2015

Alpine - Maildir All folders are slow to open (recently happened)


I am running a CentOS 6.7 Server (at Home).

For convenience I run a mail server - not to send mail  but more for gathering all mails and allowing me to connect to home from anywhere and check emials.

 (I have dchp IP from RoadRunner - It stays the same IP for years sometimes so that's not an issue but all RR IP's are in the lists of blocked IP's for sending mail)

System: Dovecot - Postfix, Procmail (And Fetchmail to gather mails from a few different accounts)  IMAP(s) & Using Maildir

All the sudden it takes 10 Seconds to open any folder (even an empty one) including just starting Alpine up.

I am hoping someone can point me to some things to check.

I am using ssl - and my inbox is:

my total Maildir is 25.5 Megs

Cheers - Charlie W8WCA
<div><div dir="ltr">Hello:<div><br></div>
<div>I am running a CentOS 6.7 Server (at Home).</div>
<div>For convenience I run a mail server - not to send mail &nbsp;but more for gathering all mails and allowing me to connect to home from anywhere and check emials.</div>
<div>&nbsp;(I have dchp IP from RoadRunner - It stays the same IP for years sometimes so that's not an issue but all RR IP's are in the lists of blocked IP's for sending mail)<br>
<div>System: Dovecot - Postfix, Procmail (And Fetchmail to gather mails from a few different accounts) &nbsp;IMAP(s) &amp; Using Maildir</div>
<div>All the sudden it takes 10 Seconds to open any folder (even an empty one) including just starting Alpine up.</div>
<div>I am hoping someone can point me to some things to check.</div>
<div>I am using ssl - and my inbox is: <a href=""></a>
<div>my total Maildir is 25.5 Megs</div>
<div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Cheers - Charlie W8WCA</div></div></div>
Bob Bernstein | 19 Nov 17:55 2015

Emulate mutt's 'Esc-e' command?

Mutt offers a command described as: "resend-message Use the 
current message as a template for a new one."

Issuing this command opens the message in a full screen edit 
mode such that all headers and text are open to editing. Then 
the message can be sent in its newly altered form.

I find this very handy but I am unable to reproduce it in 

Thanks all,


Bob Bernstein
Eduardo Chappa | 26 Oct 05:24 2015

Re: GMail Problems: Sign-in attempt prevented

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015, Porcelain Mouse wrote:

> 2) An application is deemed "less secure" if it doesn't implement OAuth 
> 2.0.
> That's really what I wanted to know about this Google bologna.
> As for Alpine, the question is now very clear: OAuth?  Anybody thought 
> about implementing it?

There is a difference between OAuth and OAuth2.0. Google deprecated the 
former and now uses the latter.

As far as I understand, there is no need to implement OAuth 2.0 yet 
because it can be overriden and I have been procrastinating doing it, but 
if someone wants to implement this, patches are welcome.


Eduardo (Web) (Git)
Porcelain Mouse | 26 Oct 00:53 2015

GMail Problems: Sign-in attempt prevented

Hello All,

I've been on this list for a long time and I've seen many people complain 
about GMail's IMAP implementation.  But, I've never heard about this sort 
of discrimination.

1) The given URI points to a page that says "your system administrator" 
can change this setting.  Is that for managed accounts?  I see I can 
change this setting for my personal Android account, but I wonder if it's 
different for managed accounts.  (The account in question is one of those 
outsourced e-mail accounts.)

2) Does anyone understand the horse s**t they are slinging about "latest 
security standards?"


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Google <no-reply@...>
Subject: Sign-in attempt prevented

attempt prevented

Hi <user>,

Someone just tried to sign in to your
Google Account <e-mail addr> from an app that doesn't meet
modern security standards.

<GeoIP stuff>

*We strongly recommend that you use a secure app, like
Gmail, to access your account. All apps made by Google meet these security
standards. Using a less secure app, on the other hand, could leave your
account vulnerable. Learn more

Google stopped this sign-in attempt, but you should review your recently
used devices:

Allin Cottrell | 24 Oct 20:30 2015

occasional alpine 100% CPU usage problem

I'm running Alpine 2.20.3 on Arch Linux and in general I'm a very
satisfied "customer".

One thing I'm seeing, maybe every couple of weeks or so: my system
will suddenly slow down dramatically, and on running "top" I see
alpine stuck at close to 100% CPU usage. I'm not doing anything
interactive with alpine when this happens. The only way out is to
quit alpine and restart it: when this starts it doesn't seem to stop
on its own.

I should probably mention that my mail account is held by gmail, which 
I'm accessing via IMAP. And this problem is relatively new; I didn't 
ever see it before (maybe) two months ago.

Anyone else seen this, and/or have any suggestions as to what might
be going on? Thanks.


Allin Cottrell
Department of Economics
Wake Forest University, NC

Peter Koellner | 24 Oct 17:02 2015

current alpine crashes on OS X 10.11.1 on attahcments

Dear all,

I just updated the old MacBookPro to OS X 10.11.1, and reconfigured, recompiled and
installed from a current git pull.

The effect is that alpine crashes when I open a mail with some pdf
attachments. This seems to be some problem with the OS X speciic code,
the errror message in stderr looks like this:

2015-10-24 16:47:14.433 alpine[24371:1568404] -[__NSCFError relativeString]: unrecognized
selector sent to instance 0x7faa5ba41db0
2015-10-24 16:47:14.437 alpine[24371:1568404] *** Terminating app due to uncaught exception
'NSInvalidArgumentException', reason: '-[__NSCFError relativeString]: unrecognized selector
sent to instance 0x7faa5ba41db0'
*** First throw call stack:
 	0   CoreFoundation                      0x00007fff8d3dae32 __exceptionPreprocess + 178
 	1   libobjc.A.dylib                     0x00007fff864d3dd4 objc_exception_throw + 48
 	2   CoreFoundation                      0x00007fff8d44434d -[NSObject(NSObject) doesNotRecognizeSelector:] + 205
 	3   CoreFoundation                      0x00007fff8d34b661 ___forwarding___ + 1009
 	4   CoreFoundation                      0x00007fff8d34b1e8 _CF_forwarding_prep_0 + 120
 	5   CoreFoundation                      0x00007fff8d2e5a76 CFURLGetString + 182
 	6   alpine                              0x00000001036c891f osx_build_mime_type_cmd + 143
 	7   alpine                              0x00000001036c8858 mime_get_os_mimetype_command + 120
 	8   alpine                              0x000000010364a348 mc_get_command + 744
 	9   alpine                              0x000000010364a5bc mailcap_can_display + 60
 	10  alpine                              0x0000000103669c8f describe_mime + 191
 	11  alpine                              0x0000000103663227 format_attachment_list + 119
 	12  alpine                              0x000000010366254c format_message + 540
 	13  alpine                              0x000000010356d07a mail_view_screen + 1194
 	14  alpine                              0x0000000103503ba5 main + 8229
 	15  libdyld.dylib                       0x00007fff981a45ad start + 1
libc++abi.dylib: terminating with uncaught exception of type NSException

This looks like some slight API change to me... Well, I'll try to fix
it tomorrow if nobody with more OS X experience has a quick and easy

Olaf Skibbe | 22 Oct 13:15 2015

Bug when exporting messages in Alpine 2.11?

Hash: SHA1


I experience the following behavior of Alpine 2.11 (Debian Jessie): When 
I open a message, and press "e" to export it, then arrow up to see 
earlier selections and finally arrow down to go back in the history, 
alpine crashes with segmentation fault.

The message it leaves is:

Problem detected: "Received abort signal(sig=11)".
Alpine Exiting.

Any ideas?


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Thomas Gramstad | 22 Oct 01:50 2015

Re: How to make Incoming Startup Rule work? (fwd)

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>>> I have set up Incoming Startup Rule to first-recent in the 
>>> config, but Alpine invariably starts at the end, as if the 
>>> config said last instead of first-recent -- which it doesn't.
>>> How can I make the setting work? What else influences it?
>> Thomas, do you have that folder opened in another e-mail program?
> No -- not at the same time. I use Alpine both at work and on my 
> home computer, and my home computer connects to the server and 
> the same INBOX at the university (I don't run a mail server at 
> home). I quit Alpine before I go to bed, and I log off when I 
> leave the university.
>> If so, recent only applies to one session, so it might be the 
>> other session the one that sees the recent messages, not the 
>> one you want it to be.
> No, both of them start at the end, skipping the new messages 
> that arrived after leaving the one place and before starting 
> Alpine the other place.
>> Have you tried "first-unseen" instead?
> Will try it.

Doesn't work. Starts at first unseen which is far away from first 
recent, almost at the beginning of the INBOX. It is no better 
than starting at the very last message.

Why do separate entryways to the INBOX screw up "first recent" 
when they are not used at the same time?

Thomas Gramstad