Re: Shen gone to Mountain View

I approved all replies to this message, but oddly they have not yet
appeared.   This is a test.

Mark

On 31 July, 19:23, Mark Tarver <dr.mtar...@...> wrote:
> At 7.20 GMT, 31st July, the beta Shen version was transferred to Carl
> Shapiro at Google, Mountain View.  Over the next period Carl will be
> going over the instruction set wrt its suitability for the JVM/CLR/DVM
> and the Android system and will be leading a lot of the development of
> Shen.
>
> Carl has had a long track history of working with Lisp, having worked
> variously for Gensym, SRI and Franz before moving to Google.   He owns
> his own Lisp machine and has been sometime vice-president of the
> Association of Lisp Users. He brings a deep knowledge of programming
> language design and implementation to the project.  I hope you will
> all give him a warm welcome.
>
> As for myself, I am taking a break and during this time, Carl will be
> acting as moderator on this news group.
>
> Mark

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Re: Shen gone to Mountain View

Much of this is now in Carl's hands, but in phone conversation we
agreed that our prototype should be tested by porting to another FPL
platform.  This will tell us how appropriate the K Lambda instruction
set is and what may need changing. At the moment Shen runs under
CLisp.   Carl looks to favour Clojure as the test port, as do I.  When
we are fully happy, it will be released.

Mark

On 31 July, 21:07, Kian <kianwil...@...> wrote:
> Congratulations! Will this beta instruction set be released before jvm
> compatibility is determined, for those of us interested in porting to
> other platforms?
>
> Kian Wilcox
>
> On 31 July, 14:23, Mark Tarver <dr.mtar...@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> > At 7.20 GMT, 31st July, the beta Shen version was transferred to Carl
> > Shapiro at Google, Mountain View.  Over the next period Carl will be
> > going over the instruction set wrt its suitability for the JVM/CLR/DVM
> > and the Android system and will be leading a lot of the development of
> > Shen.
>
> > Carl has had a long track history of working with Lisp, having worked
> > variously for Gensym, SRI and Franz before moving to Google.   He owns
> > his own Lisp machine and has been sometime vice-president of the
> > Association of Lisp Users. He brings a deep knowledge of programming

Re: Shen gone to Mountain View

Re: Shen gone to Mountain View

Re: Shen gone to Mountain View

I don't think so.  Not yet.

My journey in India ended short of its objective.  I travelled 1,200
miles
by train from the holy city of Nasik to the city of the dead,
Varanasi.  My intent was to continue to the yogic school at Bihar and
thence to the Himalayas.  But I was compelled to return in order to
restore the legacy I left behind.  I was sent the strong message that
it was needed to be done; hence I returned.

There are other things to be done, not all in computing.  My finances
need attention and my health needs to be restored from past samskara.
The latter is more important.

I am drawn to Constantinople (or Istanbul as it is now known); for
Westerners once the greatest centre of learning in Europe and the gate
between East and West.  But time will tell.

Mark

On 31 July, 20:37, Emeka <emekami...@...> wrote:
> Hello Mark,
>
> Are you going back to India? Or somewhere else?
>
> Janus
>
> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Mark Tarver <dr.mtar...@...>wrote:
>
>
>
> > At 7.20 GMT, 31st July, the beta Shen version was transferred to Carl
> > Shapiro at Google, Mountain View.  Over the next period Carl will be
> > going over the instruction set wrt its suitability for the JVM/CLR/DVM
> > and the Android system and will be leading a lot of the development of
> > Shen.
>
> > Carl has had a long track history of working with Lisp, having worked
> > variously for Gensym, SRI and Franz before moving to Google.   He owns
> > his own Lisp machine and has been sometime vice-president of the
> > Association of Lisp Users. He brings a deep knowledge of programming
> > language design and implementation to the project.  I hope you will
> > all give him a warm welcome.
>
> > As for myself, I am taking a break and during this time, Carl will be
> > acting as moderator on this news group.
>
> > Mark
>
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Re: Shen gone to Mountain View

Re: Shen gone to Mountain View

That's a very interesting point! As the Oracle's only metric is
money
(cf . Gosling's recent blog "http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/
the_shit_finally_hits_the")
the future of Java looks very dark!

On 16 Aug., 09:14, Emeka <emekami...@...> wrote:
> Where do we stand now? Oracle vs Google. The end of free Java.
>
> Emeka
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Mark Tarver <dr.mtar...@...>wrote:
>
> > I don't think so.  Not yet.
>
> > My journey in India ended short of its objective.  I travelled 1,200
> > miles
> > by train from the holy city of Nasik to the city of the dead,
> > Varanasi.  My intent was to continue to the yogic school at Bihar and
> > thence to the Himalayas.  But I was compelled to return in order to
> > restore the legacy I left behind.  I was sent the strong message that
> > it was needed to be done; hence I returned.
>
> > There are other things to be done, not all in computing.  My finances
> > need attention and my health needs to be restored from past samskara.
> > The latter is more important.
>
> > I am drawn to Constantinople (or Istanbul as it is now known); for
> > Westerners once the greatest centre of learning in Europe and the gate
> > between East and West.  But time will tell.
>
> > Mark
>
> > On 31 July, 20:37, Emeka <emekami...@...> wrote:
> > > Hello Mark,
>
> > > Are you going back to India? Or somewhere else?
>
> > > Janus
>
> > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Mark Tarver <dr.mtar...@...uk
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > At 7.20 GMT, 31st July, the beta Shen version was transferred to Carl
> > > > Shapiro at Google, Mountain View.  Over the next period Carl will be
> > > > going over the instruction set wrt its suitability for the JVM/CLR/DVM
> > > > and the Android system and will be leading a lot of the development of
> > > > Shen.
>
> > > > Carl has had a long track history of working with Lisp, having worked
> > > > variously for Gensym, SRI and Franz before moving to Google.   He owns
> > > > his own Lisp machine and has been sometime vice-president of the
> > > > Association of Lisp Users. He brings a deep knowledge of programming
> > > > language design and implementation to the project.  I hope you will
> > > > all give him a warm welcome.
>
> > > > As for myself, I am taking a break and during this time, Carl will be
> > > > acting as moderator on this news group.
>
> > > > Mark
>
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container utility classes?

hi,

per chance: anybody working on / happen to have qi/shen libs for
container classes? immutable/persistent ones, too?

thanks.

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Re: container utility classes?

What we have re classes so far is ThinCL.

http://www.lambdassociates.org/Lib/OO/ThinCL/index.htm

Mark

On 20 Aug, 22:19, Raoul Duke <rao...@...> wrote:
> hi,
>
> per chance: anybody working on / happen to have qi/shen libs for
> container classes? immutable/persistent ones, too?
>
> thanks.

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any sf bay area qi'ers?

hi,

i think it would be educational to sit with some other folks around
laptops and type in some actual qi and get more used to things.

(i'm near san jose.)

sincerely.

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