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Brad Parker | 13 Mar 22:31 2009
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Re: bitsavers.org and Symbolics documents

peter wrote:
>Antediluvian http://www.asl.dsl.pipex.com/symbolics/doc/index.html 
>1981 LMM, before color even.

racal-norsk flyleafs :-)  have a copy of that apocryphal zeta lisp
documentation docuemtn which someone there wrote?

>Does anyone know how we stand with putting such history up on the web 
>(re. copyright etc)?

The final owner of the intellectual property died a few years ago and
his estate is in probate in Massachusetts.  IMHO there is no one left to
bring suit.  My feeling is that you are safe.  In this life, anyway :-)

-brad

Rainer Joswig | 13 Mar 14:32 2009
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bitsavers.org and Symbolics documents

Hi,

Bitsavers seems to have added lots of Symbolics material to their PDF  
archive.

Here is a mirror site:

    http://bitsavers.vt100.net/pdf/symbolics/

Regards,

Rainer Joswig

Rainer Joswig, Hamburg, Germany
http://lispm.dyndns.org/
mailto:joswig <at> lisp.de

Rainer Joswig | 9 Mar 19:39 2009
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SLUG Library archive?

Hi,

does anybody have an online version of the SLUG library archive?

Are people still using their Symbolics?

I found great recreational use of my NXP1000, especially since I can  
now use
my Symbolics keyboard connected to my Mac and use Genera
via the X11 interface quite nicely.
   Described here:  http://lispm.dyndns.org/news?ID=NEWS-2008-07-27-1
     (Using the original Symbolics Keyboard with the Mac).

Regards,

Rainer Joswig

Rainer Joswig, Hamburg, Germany
http://lispm.dyndns.org/
mailto:joswig <at> lisp.de

Brad Parker | 27 Feb 17:14 2008
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Re: Music on Symbolics


Peter Paine wrote (quoting someone who is unamed):
>
>What would your assessment be for using Genera for realtime musical 
>applications?  What kind of machine do you think I'd need to obtain 
>usable results?

I think an ivory based machine could certainly do it, but I'm not sure
I'd recommend that to someone who is inexperienced.  The machines are
fun to use and generally reliable but they are old, and newer hardware
is much much faster.

If you *really* wanted genera, then the VLM running on modern hardware
would be plenty fast enough for midi events (I think/assume).  Getting
some integration to a USB based midi device would require a little
hacking, but not much.  But it would not talk to it off the shelf.

If it were me, I'd instead look at one of the nice scheme's out there.
I tend to use fair raw scheme implementations on embedded systems
running very small linux (like siod and tiny scheme), but the one's I've
used (PLT?) on windows have been really fun and nice to work with.  I'd
focus on a good debugging interactive environment if it where me.

(or, if you are - blech - common lisp oriented, I think SBCL is the way
to go, but it's a bit fascist for new folks; but it's damn fast)

scheme48 or the scheme shell might be a good place to go if you don't
mind using emacs (heh, personally I love emacs but it's not everyone's
cup of tea)

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Peter Paine | 27 Feb 12:37 2008

Music on Symbolics

Someone interested in Symbolics asked for insights beyond my 
experience or recollection, he wrote:

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I'm a musician who writes music with a MIDI-based music studio.  Over 
the past couple years I have entertained the idea of installing a 
Symbolics workstation in my studio and writing 
composition/performance software to sequence and manipulate my "live" 
playing.  
But having never used Genera, or a Lisp machine for that matter, I 
have no idea if any of the Symbolics workstations could achieve the 
timing consistency needed to record and playback musical events.

What would your assessment be for using Genera for realtime musical 
applications?  What kind of machine do you think I'd need to obtain 
usable results?
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and
--------------
But what has made me consider a Lisp machine on several occasions is 
that I'm a musician with an ambition for developing new tools I can 
use in my music-making.  I'm not a full-time software artisan, nor do 
I think that is where my talents lie.  However, I think I have a 
better idea of what I want than anyone else, so I should write what I 
want to use.  If I had a kind of closed playground for helping me 
efficiently model and experiment with my ideas, an environment where 
I'm not getting bogged down by platform idiosyncrasies or compiler 
issues, then I'd stand a chance of making good use of the working 
time I'm not devoting to composing and performing.

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dworkin | 30 Jul 01:47 2006

3620s, 3630, 3640s available


I have six 3620s, one 3630, and four 3640s (one just a chassis), plus
a number of spare board sets for the 3640s.  All this, plus two
console displays, a handful of keyboards, and miscellaneous bits are
available to whomever wants them.  The only catch is that I really
would rather not deal with shipping if possible (just getting the
3640s out of the basement's going to be enough of a pain).

The machines have not been powered up for some years, so it's quite
likely that power supply capacitors need to be replaced, plus the
usual TLC needed to resurrect an old machine.

And no, I'm not giving up on the LispM universe - I'm keeping the
MacIvory.  I'm just admitting that I don't have the hardware skills
and time needed to do a proper job of restoration for these systems.

I'm located in Longmont, Colorado, which is relatively close to
Boulder.  If anyone is interested, please let me know.

	Dworkin

Peter Van Eynde | 20 Apr 12:13 2006
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[resend] Symbolics 3645 looking for a good home in Belgium or Hamburg

Hello,

In the last few years I have not been able to use 'Castafiore'
as much as I 
would have liked. She is a Symbolic 3645 with documentation,
backup tapes, a 
keyboard/mouse/screen combo and an extra screen.

Last time I booted there was some problem with the
disk-interface but as this 
was right after having moved her I suspect it is just a lose
connector or 
card.

I'll be going to ECLM2006 in Hamburg and if desired I could
bring her along.

Some pictures:
http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/Symbolics/case-and-keyboard.jpg
http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/Symbolics/two-monitors.jpg
http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/Symbolics/internals-and-keyboard.jpg
http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/Symbolics/wall-of-docs.jpg
http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/Symbolics/internals.jpg

Please note that this is a rather big and heavy machine,
requiring quite a lot 
of power (220V at 50Hz with a normal connector). I would also
not like to 
split up 'the package' as such.

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Peter Van Eynde | 16 Apr 22:35 2006

Symbolics 3645 looking for a good home in Belgium or Hamburg

Hello,

In the last few years I have not been able to use 'Castafiore' as much as I 
would have liked. She is a Symbolic 3645 with documentation, backup tapes, a 
keyboard/mouse/screen combo and an extra screen.

Last time I booted there was some problem with the disk-interface but as this 
was right after having moved her I suspect it is just a lose connector or 
card.

I'll be going to ECLM2006 in Hamburg and if desired I could bring her along.

Some pictures:
http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/Symbolics/case-and-keyboard.jpg
http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/Symbolics/two-monitors.jpg
http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/Symbolics/internals-and-keyboard.jpg
http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/Symbolics/wall-of-docs.jpg
http://people.debian.org/~pvaneynd/Symbolics/internals.jpg

Please note that this is a rather big and heavy machine, requiring quite a lot 
of power (220V at 50Hz with a normal connector). I would also not like to 
split up 'the package' as such.

Groetjes, Peter

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vikram shetty | 10 Dec 08:06 2005
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Lisp Error

Hi there
 
Os in use - Microsoft Windows XP
 
Lisp IDE-Ufasoft Common Lisp 3.2.7

I am executing a lisp file which contains a function
;;; Actions and Tests
(defun dopopactions (regs expr hold star)
  (apply
   (lambda ,(cons 'star (cons 'hold(car regs)))
      , <at> actions
      (list
        (list (quote ,(car regs))
          (list , <at> (car regs))) hold))
    (cons star (cons hold (cadr regs)))
    )
  )

Now I am getting an error as

Illegal lambda list element (CONS 'STAR(CONS 'HOLD(CAR REGS)))
***-Condition of type UNDEFINED-FUNCTION
 
How do u solve this problem.
Hope to! get an answer as soon as possible.
 
Is there any standard way of debugging Lisp Codes, user interface ,
all the details that are required while programming LISP in windows
 
NOTE: I am just an infant in this language .So please help me out.

Regards,
Vikram Shetty

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Peter Paine | 20 Nov 14:18 2005
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eBay 3620

eBay Item number: 5832421696
3620
in Germany
Google translates as:
A Symbolics 3620 is offered to workstation of systems of this kind to 
initial/center of the 90's for the development use the range of 
artificial intelligence was inserted.  The operating system was 
implemented in Lisp, the development environment was likewise Lisp 
with extensions for object-oriented programming.  A description of 
power ratings in accordance with today's yardsticks is not comparable 
senselessly, there.  The system was last functional, however as piece 
of collecting tank is offered, i.e. without each function warranty. 
The system should after possibility in sank Augustin (with Bonn) to 
be fetched.  A dispatch is possible in principle, but probably 
relatively expensive (the system inclusive.  Monitor weighs 
completely approx. 70kg).
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My disclaimer: I have no connection whatsoever with this.

PS. The word "symbolics" seems to have a non-Lispm meaning today 
something along the lines of "with symbols", hence emblazoned 
T-shirts and Soviet regalia, even WW2 German badges.

or

Symbolics \Sym*bol"ics\, n.
      The study of ancient symbols; esp. (Theol.), that branch of
      historic theology which treats of creeds and confessions of
      faith; symbolism; -- called also symbolic.
      [1913 Webster]

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Perhaps not so far off what lispms are now (at least: historic 
theology - creeds and confessions)!


Gmane