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Kevin Rosenberg | 4 Dec 2002 02:21
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Re: Bug#171633: ilisp: arglist display attempt in sbcl causes CL error

tags 171633 + upstream
thanks

Another bug report for xemacs, ilisp, and sbcl. 

I did commit changes to the CVS repository today to fix the sit-for
bug with xemacs.

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Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote:
> Package: ilisp
> Version: 5.12.0+cvs.2002.12.03
> Severity: important
> 
> This is independent of the bug #171001.  Running sbcl under ilisp and xemacs
> causes sbcl to enter the debugger upon hitting space after typing "(setf".
> I think the same happens in arglist fetch for anything and also on attempts 
> for M-tab completion.  
> 
> Here's how to reproduce it:
> 
> xemacs -q &
> M-x run-ilisp
> ;choose sbcl
> ;type "(setf" hit space
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Pascal Bourguignon | 4 Dec 2002 13:00
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Problem with (READTABLE-CASE *READTABLE*)


Hello,

When  setting  (READTABLE-CASE  *READTABLE*)  to :PRESERVE  in  clisp,
there's not problem:

[pascal <at> thalassa tmp]$ clisp -q
;; Loading file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp ...
;; Loaded file /home/pascal/.clisprc.lisp
[1]> (SETF (READTABLE-CASE *READTABLE*) :PRESERVE)
:PRESERVE
[2]> (FORMAT T "Hello World!~%")
Hello World!
NIL
[3]> (BYE)
[pascal <at> thalassa tmp]$ 

But doing the same in clisp under ilisp:

Starting /usr/local/bin/clisp -m 32MB -ansi -K full -I ...
  i i i i i i i       ooooo    o        ooooooo   ooooo   ooooo
  I I I I I I I      8     8   8           8     8     o  8    8
  I  \ `+' /  I      8         8           8     8        8    8
   \  `-+-'  /       8         8           8      ooooo   8oooo
    `-__|__-'        8         8           8           8  8
        |            8     o   8           8     o     8  8
  ------+------       ooooo    8oooooo  ooo8ooo   ooooo   8

Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Michael Stoll 1992, 1993
Copyright (c) Bruno Haible, Marcus Daniels 1994-1997
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Paolo Amoroso | 5 Dec 2002 14:49
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Re: Important: ILISP License Change Questionnaire

Apologies for the duplicate, but I haven't received any reply yet, and I
need this information in order to answer all of Kevin's questions.

On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:36:14 -0700, Kevin Rosenberg wrote:

> This posting is a "best faith attempt" to determine if there are any
> ILISP contributors who object to a more free license for ILISP. As
[...]
> another goal will be to have copyrights in the ILISP project be
> reassigned to the Free Software Federation (Appendix 3). At this
[...]
> - DO YOU OBJECT TO HAVING ANY COPYRIGHTS THAT YOU OWN IN THE ILISP
> - PROJECT BEING REASSIGNED TO THE FREE SOFTWARE FEDERATION? 
> - (BENEFITS OF REASSIGNMENT CAN BE FOUND FOUND AT THE URL
> -  http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html AND ARE REPRODUCED IN
> -  APPENDIX 3)

What are the practical implications of this for ILISP developers? I guess
the copyright information in source files would be changed.

But I wonder whether the project should be required to use FSF facilities,
such as CVS repositories, and follow their coding conventions/policies.

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Kevin Rosenberg | 5 Dec 2002 18:00
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Re: Important: ILISP License Change Questionnaire

Paolo Amoroso wrote:
> What are the practical implications of this for ILISP developers? I guess
> the copyright information in source files would be changed.

Paolo, I think the issue will be moot. I've received 24 replies which
is less than half of all of the people that I've identified who *may*
have authored code. From http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html:
"...FSF requires that each author of code incorporated in FSF projects
provide a copyright assignment..."

> But I wonder whether the project should be required to use FSF facilities,
> such as CVS repositories, and follow their coding conventions/policies.

It's a good question. I haven't found that this is required, only that
by assigning copyrights the project becomes a "FSF project".

However, copyright assignment appears unobtainable at this time.

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Kevin Rosenberg | 5 Dec 2002 18:02
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Re: Re: Bug#171633: ilisp: arglist display attempt in sbcl causes CL error

Kevin Rosenberg wrote:
> Another bug report for xemacs, ilisp, and sbcl. 

Sorry about the previously forwarded bug report. This bug appears to
be due to missing files on the reporter's file system, not due to any
bug in ilisp.

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ilisp | 21 Dec 2002 21:37

ILISP Questionnaire Results

Dear ILISP Developers,

I've compiled the ILISP developer questionnaire results. In the
questionnaire distributed on November 20 2002, I asked 5 questions and
gave a time limit until December 20, 2002 to reply.

I've sent the questionnaire to over 113 email addresses representing
70 individuals who had been noted in a potential contributor. I
received replies from 29 individuals (41%). Of these 29 replies, here
are the number of objections:

1. Change the license to GPL: 1 (1.4%)
2. Assign copyrights to the FSF: 1 (1.4%)
3. Remove the clause from the current license: 0 (0%)

Given these results, I will remove the clause:
  	o  No fees or compensation are charged for use, copies, or
	   access to this software. You may charge a nominal
	   distribution fee for the physical act of transferring a
	   copy, but you may not charge for the program itself. 
from ILISP's license.

If a ILISP developer later replies that they object to the removal of this clause,
it will be necessary to restore this clause.

To all who replied, thanks for your time!

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Pascal Bourguignon | 31 Dec 2002 19:49
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C-u 4 SPC


In function ilisp-arglist-message-lisp-space (ilisp-hi.el), please replace

  (self-insert-command 1))

by:

  (self-insert-command (prefix-numeric-value current-prefix-arg) ))

to allow insert several spaces.

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