Roger Sen Montero | 28 Feb 08:31 2015
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Is ecl wiki out of service?

Hi all!


 Is http://ecls.wikispaces.com/ the official wiki for ecl? 
 
 Regards.

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Daniel Kochmański | 27 Feb 10:51 2015
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[ecl][release candidate][windows]

Hello,

unfortunately I was too rush to roll out release, without checking if it
builds and works on at least Linux, OS X and Windows. Additional
copyright contained UTF-8 symbol, and windows console stream doesn't
support these, therefore at the very start of ecl it throws an error.

My deep apologies for that to all Windows users. It is fixed in develop
branch, and since it's crucial fix for them, I have decided to roll out
hotfix release.

To not repeat same error as previously, I'm publishing release candidate
15.3.7-rc1 branch on gitorious - please check if it builds on all
platforms and perform regression tests.

A few fixes are present there in comparision to 15.2.21:
- autoconf scripts are rewritten to support version 2.69
- stack direction is now correctly determined, so gcc 5.x builds should
be possible
- broken --with-sse=yes build works now
- patch enabling compilation of ECL under MSVC (2008/2010)
- stable-sort now works as desired

If everything goes fine, we'll publish new release at (yes, you guessed
it) 7th of March. Thanks everyone for testing, provided fixes and
bugreports, as well as any other contributions.

As you probably know, new wiki is stored at address:
https://gitorious.org/embeddable-common-lisp/pages/Home still incomplete
and possibly outdated, but open for improvement by anyone.

Best regards,
Daniel

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Mark Evenson | 26 Feb 11:01 2015
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MacPorts updated to ECL 15.2.21

Congratulations on the new release!

I’ve [updated MacPorts ECL 15.2.21][1] to this release, doing light testing of Hunchentoot,
Bordeaux-Threads, and lparallel without any noticeable failures, so you seem good under OS X.

[1]: https://trac.macports.org/changeset/133275

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Julien Puydt | 25 Feb 10:56 2015
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SIGABRT with "Duplicate large block deallocation"

Hi,

I have a crash (SIGABRT) "Duplicate large block deallocation" with the 
following three-lines code :
(ext:set-limit 'ext:heap-size 0)
(setq a (expt 10 (expt 10 5)))
(setq b (expt a 600))

Those lines come from sagemath's test suite... where they actually work!

I only get the problem with either the debian package of ecl, or by 
directly compiling the sources from sourceforge (version 13.5.1 in every 
case).

What is the source of the problem?

Snark on #sagemath

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Polos Ruetz | 25 Feb 09:03 2015
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Two small problems with ECL 15.2.21 on Windows

Hi,

just reporting two small problems with new ECL 15.2.21 on Windows,
using the MSVC (2008/2010) compilers:

(1) File "ecl/src/c/file.d" needs this patch to compile correctly (see
also attachment):

diff --git a/_file.d b/file.d
index 578cc27..8427b3b 100755
--- a/_file.d
+++ b/file.d
 <at>  <at>  -2773,12 +2773,12  <at>  <at>  io_file_length(cl_object strm)
 static cl_object
 io_file_get_position(cl_object strm)
 {
-       int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
-        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
-
        cl_object output;
        ecl_off_t offset;

+       int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
+        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
+
        ecl_disable_interrupts();
        offset = lseek(f, 0, SEEK_CUR);
        ecl_enable_interrupts();
 <at>  <at>  -2810,10 +2810,10  <at>  <at>  io_file_get_position(cl_object strm)
 static cl_object
 io_file_set_position(cl_object strm, cl_object large_disp)
 {
-       int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
-        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
        ecl_off_t disp;
        int mode;
+       int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
+        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
        if (Null(large_disp)) {
                disp = 0;
                mode = SEEK_END;

(2) Starting up ECL in a Windows console gives this error (as you can
see, it's simply a problem with character encoding of the name of the
new maintainer):

ECL (Embeddable Common-Lisp) 15.2.21 (git:UNKNOWN)
Copyright (C) 1984 Taiichi Yuasa and Masami Hagiya
Copyright (C) 1993 Giuseppe Attardi
Copyright (C) 2000 Juan J. Garcia-Ripoll
Copyright (C) 2015 Daniel Kochma
Condition of type: STREAM-ENCODING-ERROR
encoding error on stream #<i/o win32 console stream "stdout"> (:EXTERNAL-FORMAT
...
Available restarts:

1. (CONTINUE) Ignore character
2. (USE-VALUE) Store a different character code.

Top level in: #<process TOP-LEVEL>.
>

--

Paul
diff --git a/_file.d b/file.d
index 578cc27..8427b3b 100755
--- a/_file.d
+++ b/file.d
 <at>  <at>  -2773,12 +2773,12  <at>  <at>  io_file_length(cl_object strm)
 static cl_object
 io_file_get_position(cl_object strm)
 {
-	int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
-        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
-
 	cl_object output;
 	ecl_off_t offset;

+	int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
+        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
+
 	ecl_disable_interrupts();
 	offset = lseek(f, 0, SEEK_CUR);
 	ecl_enable_interrupts();
 <at>  <at>  -2810,10 +2810,10  <at>  <at>  io_file_get_position(cl_object strm)
 static cl_object
 io_file_set_position(cl_object strm, cl_object large_disp)
 {
-	int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
-        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
 	ecl_off_t disp;
 	int mode;
+	int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
+        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
 	if (Null(large_disp)) {
 		disp = 0;
 		mode = SEEK_END;
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Polos Ruetz | 24 Feb 20:48 2015
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2 small problems with ECL 15.2.21 on Windows/MSVC

Hi,

just reporting 2 small problems with new ECL on Windows, using the
MSVC (2008/2010) compilers:

(1) File "ecl/src/c/file.d" needs this patch to compile correctly (see
also attachment):

diff --git a/_file.d b/file.d
index 578cc27..8427b3b 100755
--- a/_file.d
+++ b/file.d
 <at>  <at>  -2773,12 +2773,12  <at>  <at>  io_file_length(cl_object strm)
 static cl_object
 io_file_get_position(cl_object strm)
 {
-	int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
-        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
-
 	cl_object output;
 	ecl_off_t offset;

+	int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
+        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
+
 	ecl_disable_interrupts();
 	offset = lseek(f, 0, SEEK_CUR);
 	ecl_enable_interrupts();
 <at>  <at>  -2810,10 +2810,10  <at>  <at>  io_file_get_position(cl_object strm)
 static cl_object
 io_file_set_position(cl_object strm, cl_object large_disp)
 {
-	int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
-        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
 	ecl_off_t disp;
 	int mode;
+	int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
+        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
 	if (Null(large_disp)) {
 		disp = 0;
 		mode = SEEK_END;

(2) Starting up ECL in a Windows console gives this error (as you can
see, it's simply a problem with character encoding of the name of the
new maintainer):

ECL (Embeddable Common-Lisp) 15.2.21 (git:UNKNOWN)
Copyright (C) 1984 Taiichi Yuasa and Masami Hagiya
Copyright (C) 1993 Giuseppe Attardi
Copyright (C) 2000 Juan J. Garcia-Ripoll
Copyright (C) 2015 Daniel Kochma
Condition of type: STREAM-ENCODING-ERROR
encoding error on stream #<i/o win32 console stream "stdout"> (:EXTERNAL-FORMAT
...
Available restarts:

1. (CONTINUE) Ignore character
2. (USE-VALUE) Store a different character code.

Top level in: #<process TOP-LEVEL>.
>

--

Paul
diff --git a/_file.d b/file.d
index 578cc27..8427b3b 100755
--- a/_file.d
+++ b/file.d
 <at>  <at>  -2773,12 +2773,12  <at>  <at>  io_file_length(cl_object strm)
 static cl_object
 io_file_get_position(cl_object strm)
 {
-	int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
-        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
-
 	cl_object output;
 	ecl_off_t offset;

+	int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
+        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
+
 	ecl_disable_interrupts();
 	offset = lseek(f, 0, SEEK_CUR);
 	ecl_enable_interrupts();
 <at>  <at>  -2810,10 +2810,10  <at>  <at>  io_file_get_position(cl_object strm)
 static cl_object
 io_file_set_position(cl_object strm, cl_object large_disp)
 {
-	int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
-        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
 	ecl_off_t disp;
 	int mode;
+	int f = IO_FILE_DESCRIPTOR(strm);
+        if (isatty(f)) return(ECL_NIL);
 	if (Null(large_disp)) {
 		disp = 0;
 		mode = SEEK_END;
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Daniel Kochmański | 23 Feb 10:40 2015
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Re: [maintainership]


Hey,

As I already noted, development moved to gitorious - so adding to
sourceforge project (what I did), doesn't give you permission to push to
repository. Please create gitorious account and I'll add you to
collaborators right away.

Project address is:
https://gitorious.org/embeddable-common-lisp

and ECL repository address is:
https://gitorious.org/embeddable-common-lisp

I'm going to write something more this week about new branching model
- in shourtcut - everything in-development lands in develop branch, and
each push to master is equal to new release.

More on fixes topic - great job and thank you. Could you also remove
trailing whitespaces from the second patch of yours regarding stack
direction?

Best regards,
Daniel

Evrim Ulu writes:

> Hello, this tests are very nice.
>
> Anyway,
>
> I've fixed autotools finally. Here is the patch:
>
> https://github.com/evrim/ecl-mobile/commit/7db27861a6c3cdb8407a3c834f797f918d89ed32
>
> My sf account is evrimulu. If you provide me write access, i'll glad to push it.
>
> evrim.
>
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Daniel Kochmański
> <jackdaniel <at> hellsgate.pl> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Anton Vodonosov writes:
>>
>>> Hello Daniel,
>>>
>>> My main wish to you: the most important criterion - don't break ECL,
>>> don't make it worse than it is today.
>>
>> Thank you. I do agree, it's most important case and my greatest concern
>> about whole thing.
>>>
>>> And thanks for your initiative to take care about the project.
>>>
>>> From your list of goals, I think new release is the most important,
>>> because HEAD is quite different from the last release. Juan Jose
>>> didn't released his last changes, so probably the HEAD is
>>> in some work-in progress state.
>>>
>>> I can help with testing using cl-test-grid - we build all the libraries
>>> from quicklisp on old release, and with new release and compare results
>>> to detect regressions, like this:
>>> https://common-lisp.net/project/cl-test-grid/ecl/ecl-diff-2-lisp-to-c.html
>>>
>> Thank you. I saw you already submitted some test results. I'll take a
>> closer look at whole procedure as next thing.
>>
>> BR,
>> Daniel
>>
>> ps. sorry for resend - i had problems with mu4e configuration (wrong
>> e-mail sender address, and mail didn't came through to mailing list).
>>>
>>>
>>> 21.02.2015, 09:51, "Daniel Kochmański" <jackdaniel <at> hellsgate.pl>:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> it's saturday and nobody has risen concerns about new maintainership, so
>>>> I assume it's ok with you all - thanks for putting trust on unknown
>>>> person.
>>>>
>>>> For start I need admin privileges on SF, and on wikispaces (which also
>>>> requires subscription renewal). My user name on both portals is
>>>> dkochmanski.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll writes:
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> first of all thanks for taking me into consideration and for volunteering
>>>>> to continue the project. I was overoptimistic in assuming that I could even
>>>>> continue fixing bugs or reading the mailing list at all. I therefore
>>>>> welcome any initiative to have a stable team that works on bugs and keeps
>>>>> the project alive and useful. Just let me know what you need, such as
>>>>> adding you to the Admin list and perhaps updating or giving you access to
>>>>> other resources.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I do not have much time to read these threads, I would appreciate a
>>>>> warning when the issue has been settled by the community, with a list of
>>>>> steps that I should take.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Juanjo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:00 PM, ZhanLin Shang <shangzhanlin <at> gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>>> I agree with your opinion, I know some C (I've been playing around with C
>>>>>> for 5 years but not embedding) and some CL (which is the language I use the
>>>>>> most), I will try to help if I can.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Z.Shang
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun Feb 15 2015 at 8:56:01 PM Daniel Kochmański <
>>>>>> jackdaniel <at> hellsgate.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> most of you have probably noticed, that ECL is unmaintained for quite a
>>>>>>> while. Some spontaneous attempts are made, like submitting a patch, or
>>>>>>> answering question - what is great, but insufficient. Many important bug
>>>>>>> fixes last on git head, a few potential improvements wait in patch
>>>>>>> queue. The other words - ECL starts to smell funny, what's a shame,
>>>>>>> since it's a great project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm writing to mailing list to volunteer myself as projects
>>>>>>> maintainer. I'm sure there are people better suited for such role, but
>>>>>>> since nobody asks for it, I do. Please reply to this message with
>>>>>>> protests or support, if any. I'm full time embedded engineer with strong
>>>>>>> C background, and solely speaking - CL new-be. Since I'm full time
>>>>>>> worker, I can spare only a few hours a week, but I'm sure it would be
>>>>>>> sufficient for start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Short plan of things, which have to be done (any help welcome) - in
>>>>>>> descendent order:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** Roll out a new release
>>>>>>> Many bug-fixes lie on git, and are absent on current release. It is
>>>>>>> really important to make a new release.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Introduce new branching model
>>>>>>> http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Move development to gitorious
>>>>>>> Split separate projects into separate repositories (libffi, gmp)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Patch submissions
>>>>>>> I think it would be plausible to move patch submissions to
>>>>>>> mailing list, so they can be commented.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** Refresh
>>>>>>> 1. Website
>>>>>>> I find it counter-intuitive and hard to navigate. Sitemap should
>>>>>>> be rearranged, and maybe even moved from SF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Materials
>>>>>>> Wiki's subscription is ended now. It should be brought back.
>>>>>>> Usage examples should be easier to find and study.
>>>>>>> It would be nice to have tutorials describing, how to install and
>>>>>>> embed ECL in project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Patch/feature/bug queues (as started by Arto)
>>>>>>> Decide, which patches need to be merged into ECL, reject the
>>>>>>> rest. Same with feature requests - if something is beyond our
>>>>>>> reach for now, should be tagged as won't do. Bug reports should be
>>>>>>> checked for these already fixed, not-bugs and some which won't be
>>>>>>> fixed anytime soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. Actualizing ECL support libraries - libffi breaks on build for
>>>>>>> armv5 (new version works like a charm). It is also at least worth
>>>>>>> considering switching to lgpl3 (for pragmatic reasons) - this one
>>>>>>> requires further discussion, but first things first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** Evolve
>>>>>>> 1. Third party libraries
>>>>>>> - Use most recent libraries (asdf, quicklisp, swank, etc)
>>>>>>> - Treat libffi as separate project /move to more recent version/
>>>>>>> - Treat libgc as separate project /consider lgplv3/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Make more ports
>>>>>>> - Android (merge patches, write nice tutorial)
>>>>>>> - NaCL
>>>>>>> - Minix
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Regression / testing / deployment
>>>>>>> - vagrant
>>>>>>> - automated reports
>>>>>>> - suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. ECL java application for android
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ============================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I already wrote similar mail to Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll (attached as
>>>>>>> reference), and he suggested to write to mailing list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> my name is Daniel Kochmański, and I want to say, that I am really
>>>>>>>> impressed by your work on Embeddable Common Lisp, and I want to thank
>>>>>>>> you for it. I find ecl nice piece of software and consider it a great
>>>>>>>> opportunity to learn.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm writing to you, because I want to be maintainer of it. I have strong
>>>>>>>> C background, and I'm learning Common Lisp, so it wouldn't be very good
>>>>>>>> pick if project is actively developed, but since it starts to smell
>>>>>>>> funny (pun intended), I think it won't be a bad idea. I'm full time
>>>>>>>> embedded systems engineer, so I can spare only few hours a week, but I'm
>>>>>>>> convinced it would be sufficient for start.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First thing I'd like to do is to roll out a new release, since git head
>>>>>>>> has many improvements over current release (especially bugfix for
>>>>>>>> bordeaux-threads), and cleanup of feature-requests and bug-reports on
>>>>>>>> SourceForge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I plan to move development to gitorious, and host third party
>>>>>>>> libraries as separate projects. Also, branching model would change -
>>>>>>>> current commits will land on "develop", and "master" will be kept for
>>>>>>>> releases only. I'm also considering reorganizing, or even moving ecl
>>>>>>>> site from SourceForge, because I find it really hard to navigate. There
>>>>>>>> is also problem with wiki, where subscription has ended, and needs
>>>>>>>> reactivation by one of the wiki organizers (according to wikispaces).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next thing would be actualizing libffi (build breaks on armv5 on old
>>>>>>>> sources included with ECL), and merging patches for android and nacl
>>>>>>>> builds - I'm working on it on my local repository lately. After that to
>>>>>>>> attract more people, I think that would be a nice idea to make android
>>>>>>>> app, which will bring ECL to android devices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think about this proposition? I was convincing myself to
>>>>>>>> write this mail for few weeks from now, but I'm still not sure if I
>>>>>>>> should write to mailing list first. Anyways, again, thank you for
>>>>>>>> keeping this project alive for so many years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański | Poznań, Poland
>>>>>>>> ;; aka jackdaniel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański | Poznań, Poland
>>>>>>> ;; aka jackdaniel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
>>>>>>>
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>>>>
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Evrim Ulu | 23 Feb 06:39 2015
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Fwd: [maintainership]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Evrim Ulu <evrimulu <at> gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Ecls-list] [maintainership]
To: Daniel Kochmański <jackdaniel <at> hellsgate.pl>

Hello, this tests are very nice.

Anyway,

I've fixed autotools finally. Here is the patch:

https://github.com/evrim/ecl-mobile/commit/7db27861a6c3cdb8407a3c834f797f918d89ed32

My sf account is evrimulu. If you provide me write access, i'll glad to push it.

evrim.

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Daniel Kochmański
<jackdaniel <at> hellsgate.pl> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Anton Vodonosov writes:
>
>> Hello Daniel,
>>
>> My main wish to you: the most important criterion - don't break ECL,
>> don't make it worse than it is today.
>
> Thank you. I do agree, it's most important case and my greatest concern
> about whole thing.
>>
>> And thanks for your initiative to take care about the project.
>>
>> From your list of goals, I think new release is the most important,
>> because HEAD is quite different from the last release. Juan Jose
>> didn't released his last changes, so probably the HEAD is
>> in some work-in progress state.
>>
>> I can help with testing using cl-test-grid - we build all the libraries
>> from quicklisp on old release, and with new release and compare results
>> to detect regressions, like this:
>> https://common-lisp.net/project/cl-test-grid/ecl/ecl-diff-2-lisp-to-c.html
>>
> Thank you. I saw you already submitted some test results. I'll take a
> closer look at whole procedure as next thing.
>
> BR,
> Daniel
>
> ps. sorry for resend - i had problems with mu4e configuration (wrong
> e-mail sender address, and mail didn't came through to mailing list).
>>
>>
>> 21.02.2015, 09:51, "Daniel Kochmański" <jackdaniel <at> hellsgate.pl>:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> it's saturday and nobody has risen concerns about new maintainership, so
>>> I assume it's ok with you all - thanks for putting trust on unknown
>>> person.
>>>
>>> For start I need admin privileges on SF, and on wikispaces (which also
>>> requires subscription renewal). My user name on both portals is
>>> dkochmanski.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll writes:
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> first of all thanks for taking me into consideration and for volunteering
>>>> to continue the project. I was overoptimistic in assuming that I could even
>>>> continue fixing bugs or reading the mailing list at all. I therefore
>>>> welcome any initiative to have a stable team that works on bugs and keeps
>>>> the project alive and useful. Just let me know what you need, such as
>>>> adding you to the Admin list and perhaps updating or giving you access to
>>>> other resources.
>>>>
>>>> Since I do not have much time to read these threads, I would appreciate a
>>>> warning when the issue has been settled by the community, with a list of
>>>> steps that I should take.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Juanjo
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:00 PM, ZhanLin Shang <shangzhanlin <at> gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>> I agree with your opinion, I know some C (I've been playing around with C
>>>>> for 5 years but not embedding) and some CL (which is the language I use the
>>>>> most), I will try to help if I can.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Z.Shang
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun Feb 15 2015 at 8:56:01 PM Daniel Kochmański <
>>>>> jackdaniel <at> hellsgate.pl> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> most of you have probably noticed, that ECL is unmaintained for quite a
>>>>>> while. Some spontaneous attempts are made, like submitting a patch, or
>>>>>> answering question - what is great, but insufficient. Many important bug
>>>>>> fixes last on git head, a few potential improvements wait in patch
>>>>>> queue. The other words - ECL starts to smell funny, what's a shame,
>>>>>> since it's a great project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm writing to mailing list to volunteer myself as projects
>>>>>> maintainer. I'm sure there are people better suited for such role, but
>>>>>> since nobody asks for it, I do. Please reply to this message with
>>>>>> protests or support, if any. I'm full time embedded engineer with strong
>>>>>> C background, and solely speaking - CL new-be. Since I'm full time
>>>>>> worker, I can spare only a few hours a week, but I'm sure it would be
>>>>>> sufficient for start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Short plan of things, which have to be done (any help welcome) - in
>>>>>> descendent order:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** Roll out a new release
>>>>>> Many bug-fixes lie on git, and are absent on current release. It is
>>>>>> really important to make a new release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Introduce new branching model
>>>>>> http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Move development to gitorious
>>>>>> Split separate projects into separate repositories (libffi, gmp)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Patch submissions
>>>>>> I think it would be plausible to move patch submissions to
>>>>>> mailing list, so they can be commented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** Refresh
>>>>>> 1. Website
>>>>>> I find it counter-intuitive and hard to navigate. Sitemap should
>>>>>> be rearranged, and maybe even moved from SF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Materials
>>>>>> Wiki's subscription is ended now. It should be brought back.
>>>>>> Usage examples should be easier to find and study.
>>>>>> It would be nice to have tutorials describing, how to install and
>>>>>> embed ECL in project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Patch/feature/bug queues (as started by Arto)
>>>>>> Decide, which patches need to be merged into ECL, reject the
>>>>>> rest. Same with feature requests - if something is beyond our
>>>>>> reach for now, should be tagged as won't do. Bug reports should be
>>>>>> checked for these already fixed, not-bugs and some which won't be
>>>>>> fixed anytime soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Actualizing ECL support libraries - libffi breaks on build for
>>>>>> armv5 (new version works like a charm). It is also at least worth
>>>>>> considering switching to lgpl3 (for pragmatic reasons) - this one
>>>>>> requires further discussion, but first things first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** Evolve
>>>>>> 1. Third party libraries
>>>>>> - Use most recent libraries (asdf, quicklisp, swank, etc)
>>>>>> - Treat libffi as separate project /move to more recent version/
>>>>>> - Treat libgc as separate project /consider lgplv3/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Make more ports
>>>>>> - Android (merge patches, write nice tutorial)
>>>>>> - NaCL
>>>>>> - Minix
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Regression / testing / deployment
>>>>>> - vagrant
>>>>>> - automated reports
>>>>>> - suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. ECL java application for android
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ============================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I already wrote similar mail to Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll (attached as
>>>>>> reference), and he suggested to write to mailing list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my name is Daniel Kochmański, and I want to say, that I am really
>>>>>>> impressed by your work on Embeddable Common Lisp, and I want to thank
>>>>>>> you for it. I find ecl nice piece of software and consider it a great
>>>>>>> opportunity to learn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm writing to you, because I want to be maintainer of it. I have strong
>>>>>>> C background, and I'm learning Common Lisp, so it wouldn't be very good
>>>>>>> pick if project is actively developed, but since it starts to smell
>>>>>>> funny (pun intended), I think it won't be a bad idea. I'm full time
>>>>>>> embedded systems engineer, so I can spare only few hours a week, but I'm
>>>>>>> convinced it would be sufficient for start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First thing I'd like to do is to roll out a new release, since git head
>>>>>>> has many improvements over current release (especially bugfix for
>>>>>>> bordeaux-threads), and cleanup of feature-requests and bug-reports on
>>>>>>> SourceForge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I plan to move development to gitorious, and host third party
>>>>>>> libraries as separate projects. Also, branching model would change -
>>>>>>> current commits will land on "develop", and "master" will be kept for
>>>>>>> releases only. I'm also considering reorganizing, or even moving ecl
>>>>>>> site from SourceForge, because I find it really hard to navigate. There
>>>>>>> is also problem with wiki, where subscription has ended, and needs
>>>>>>> reactivation by one of the wiki organizers (according to wikispaces).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next thing would be actualizing libffi (build breaks on armv5 on old
>>>>>>> sources included with ECL), and merging patches for android and nacl
>>>>>>> builds - I'm working on it on my local repository lately. After that to
>>>>>>> attract more people, I think that would be a nice idea to make android
>>>>>>> app, which will bring ECL to android devices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think about this proposition? I was convincing myself to
>>>>>>> write this mail for few weeks from now, but I'm still not sure if I
>>>>>>> should write to mailing list first. Anyways, again, thank you for
>>>>>>> keeping this project alive for so many years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański | Poznań, Poland
>>>>>>> ;; aka jackdaniel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Daniel Kochmański | Poznań, Poland
>>>>>> ;; aka jackdaniel
>>>>>>
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trying to compile 15.2.21

Hello *,

Trying to build 15.2.21 on Gentoo (in order to make ebuild) I get

;;;   Invoking external command:
;;;   x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -I. 
-I/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/work/ecl-15.2.21/build/ 
-D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -O2 -march=native -pipe -fPIC 
-D_THREAD_SAFE -Dlinux 
-I/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/work/ecl-15.2.21/src/c -c 
ext/sse-utils.c -o ext/sse-utils.o
;;; Finished compiling EXT:CL-SIMD;SSE-UTILS.LISP.
;;;

Condition of type: SIMPLE-ERROR
Cannot find out entry point for binary file 
BUILD:EXT;ECL-SSE-UTILS.O.NEWEST
No restarts available.

Top level in: #<process TOP-LEVEL>.
>
sed -e 's, <at> libdir\\ <at> ,/usr/lib64/,' \
     -e 's, <at> includedir\\ <at> ,/usr/include/,' \
     -e 's,~A,/usr/lib64/,' bin/ecl-config.pre > bin/ecl-config
cd /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/work/ecl-15.2.21/src/../.git && 
ctags -o tags -R --langmap=c:+.d ../src || true
/bin/sh: line 0: cd: 
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/work/ecl-15.2.21/src/../.git: No 
such file or directory
make[1]: Leaving directory 
'/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/work/ecl-15.2.21/build'

make -j8 DESTDIR=/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/image/ install
cd build; make install
make[1]: Entering directory 
'/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/work/ecl-15.2.21/build'
# Here we would use the option -s but the install program in 
sourceforge-solaris
# is broken.
/bin/sh 
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/work/ecl-15.2.21/src/gc/mkinstalldirs 
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/image//usr/bin/ 
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/image//usr/lib64/ \
   /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/image//usr/lib64/ecl-15.2.21/ 
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/image//usr/include/ 
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/image//usr/include//ecl
mkdir -p -- /var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/image//usr/bin/ 
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/image//usr/lib64/ 
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/image//usr/lib64/ecl-15.2.21/ 
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/image//usr/include/ 
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/image//usr/include//ecl
for i in bin/ecl; do \
   /usr/bin/install -c $i 
/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/image//usr/bin/; \
done
/usr/bin/install: cannot stat ‘bin/ecl’: No such file or directory
Makefile:145: recipe for target 'install' failed
make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory 
'/var/tmp/portage/dev-lisp/ecls-15.2.21/work/ecl-15.2.21/build'
Makefile:81: recipe for target 'install' failed
make: *** [install] Error 2

Indeed, there is no .../build/bin/ecl
Any ideas how to proceed?

Andrey
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[Final CfP] ELS 2015 submission deadline extended to March 1st


		 ELS'15 - 8th European Lisp Symposium
		    Goldsmiths College, London, UK

			  April 20-21, 2015

	       http://www.european-lisp-symposium.org/

	  Sponsored by EPITA, Franz Inc. and Lispworks Ltd.

Recent news:

- *** Submission deadline extended to March 1st ***
- Invited speakers announced: Zach Beane, Bodil Stokke, Martin Cracauer
- Registration to open early March

The purpose of the European Lisp Symposium is to provide a forum for
the discussion and dissemination of all aspects of design,
implementation and application of any of the Lisp and Lisp-inspired
dialects, including Common Lisp, Scheme, Emacs Lisp, AutoLisp, ISLISP,
Dylan, Clojure, ACL2, ECMAScript, Racket, SKILL, Hop and so on. We
encourage everyone interested in Lisp to participate.

The 8th European Lisp Symposium invites high quality papers about
novel research results, insights and lessons learned from practical
applications and educational perspectives. We also encourage
submissions about known ideas as long as they are presented in a new
setting and/or in a highly elegant way.

Topics include but are not limited to:

- Context-, aspect-, domain-oriented and generative programming
- Macro-, reflective-, meta- and/or rule-based development approaches
- Language design and implementation
- Language integration, inter-operation and deployment
- Development methodologies, support and environments
- Educational approaches and perspectives
- Experience reports and case studies

We invite submissions in the following forms:

  Papers: Technical papers of up to 8 pages that describe original
    results or explain known ideas in new and elegant ways.

  Demonstrations: Abstracts of up to 2 pages for demonstrations of
    tools, libraries, and applications.

  Tutorials: Abstracts of up to 4 pages for in-depth presentations
    about topics of special interest for at least 90 minutes and up to
    180 minutes.

  The symposium will also provide slots for lightning talks, to be
  registered on-site every day.

All submissions should be formatted following the ACM SIGS guidelines
and include ACM classification categories and terms. For more
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Important dates:

  - 01 Mar 2015: Submission deadline *** EXTENDED ***
  - 15 Mar 2015: Notification of acceptance
  - 29 Mar 2015: Early registration deadline
  - 05 Apr 2015: Final papers
  - 20-21 Apr 2015: Symposium

Programme chair:
  Julian Padget, University of Bath, UK

Local chair:
  Christophe Rhodes, Goldsmiths, University of London, UK

Programme committee:
  Sacha Chua — Toronto, Canada
  Edmund Weitz — University of Applied Scicences, Hamburg, Germany
  Rainer Joswig — Hamburg, Germany
  Henry Lieberman — MIT, USA
  Matthew Flatt — University of Utah, USA
  Christian Queinnec — University Pierre et Marie Curie, Paris 6, France
  Giuseppe Attardi — University of Pisa, Italy
  Marc Feeley — University of Montreal, Canada
  Stephen Eglen — University of Cambridge, UK
  Robert Strandh — University of Bordeaux, France
  Nick Levine — RavenPack, Spain

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Daniel Kochmański | 22 Feb 13:30 2015
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[wiki][website]


Temporarily I've put redirection on site ecls.sourceforge.net to
sourceforge.net/p/ecls, so no outdated info is seen.

On SF storage I've found wikispaces (partly incomplete) dump from 2009 -
I edited it to fit markdown and put on gitorious:

https://gitorious.org/embeddable-common-lisp/pages/Wikispaces-2009-07-30

Wiki is open to collaborate by anyone, so fell free to correct
mistakes. Thank you all for all support with hints and test reports -
it's really helpful.

Best regards,
Daniel

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