Re: Gardeners Digest, Vol 42, Issue 1
Hi,
Glad to see some action from the list. I haven't used a email list in
a while so if I'm not responding correctly someone please tell me, I
signed up a while ago but haven't gotten any mails and forgot to send
one myself.
I use Vim religiously for everything. I used to use Emacs for
everything, and during that time a lot of people would talk about Vi,
so after the curiousity got the better of me I took the time to learn
some Vim commands and eventually got hooked. The reason I can't
escape Vim is because it's so damn fast, lightweight, and after
getting used to it I'd say it has to be the most convenient editor for
those who do some serious coding in any language. I generally need to
make everything I do from scratch, which requires a ton of typing, and
I hate it every time my hands have to leave the keyboard or when my
fingers have to go searching for some oddball key combo.
But yeah, a lot of Lisp development has been done for Emacs, they say
that they have all types of Lisp games, modules, etc which are made
exclusively for Emacs... but I've never looked as I know they're
probably old, unsupported and/or out of date by now.
The key is that Emacs has a built in Lisp interpreter, so you can run
calculations on the fly from within the editor while coding, but I
don't know the extent of commands which the Emacs-Lisp interpreter
supports.
By the way, I've yet to make a very useful Lisp application but I
really like the language, so take everything I'm saying as general
conversation. I joined this list hoping to get more involved with
Lisp.
Brendon
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> 1. vi/vim vs. emacs for lisp coding (Matt Cheung)
> 2. Re: vi/vim vs. emacs for lisp coding (James Fleming)
> 3. Re: vi/vim vs. emacs for lisp coding (Justin Heyes-Jones)
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> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:35:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Matt Cheung <mgcheung@...>
> Subject: [Gardeners] vi/vim vs. emacs for lisp coding
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> I was wondering if there was anyone on this list who uses vim (or any
> other vi-like editor) for their lisp hacking. I've been using limp for
> a while and I was thinking of trying slimv. When asking about this on
> the stumpwm mailing list I was told I should really try emacs. It was
> even said that emacs and common lisp share more culture. I thought this
> might be a better forum to discuss the pros and cons of different
> editors. Thanks.
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> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:12:01 +1000 (EST)
> From: "James Fleming" <lisp@...>
> Subject: Re: [Gardeners] vi/vim vs. emacs for lisp coding
> To: "Tending the Lisp Garden" <gardeners@...>
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>> I was wondering if there was anyone on this list who uses vim (or any
>> other vi-like editor) for their lisp hacking.
>
> *waves*
> I cut my teeth on Vi when learning Unix, and feel much more at home with a
> mode editor. I've tried emacs several times, with and without Viper and
> Vimpulse, but I just can't get past the key-chording - my forearms quickly
> remind me that my latent RSI is only _so_ latent. I strongly suspect that
> if I find myself in need of greater integration with the CL runtime, I'll
> get a Lispworks license.
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>
>> I've been using limp for
>> a while and I was thinking of trying slimv. When asking about this on
>> the stumpwm mailing list I was told I should really try emacs. It was
>> even said that emacs and common lisp share more culture.
>
> Kinda. They share a lot of history, and emacs is itself written in a
> dialect of lisp, though it's old and primitive compared to CL. SLIME also
> apparently provides a lot of useful integration/introspection into the CL
> runtime, though I've yet to be sold on what it can actually give me that
> VILisp doesn't.
>
> I've tried limp and slim-vim, but have kept going back to VILisp, which
> still works better for me because apparently my idea of an IDE is having
> the editor and interactive terminal session on the same virtual desktop:
> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=221
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>
>> I thought this
>> might be a better forum to discuss the pros and cons of different
>> editors.
>
> Or revive a long-running flamewar, one or the other :)
> Actually, I'm not so keen on the flamewar part. If other people prefer
> emacs, that's between them and their carpal tunnels. If you don't try
> making *me* use it, I won't have to hurt you.
>
>
> Cheers,
> James
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> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 16:48:35 -0700
> From: Justin Heyes-Jones <justinhj@...>
> Subject: Re: [Gardeners] vi/vim vs. emacs for lisp coding
> To: lisp@..., Tending the Lisp Garden
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> I totally agree with James, even though I only use emacs not vi. I think
> it's a mistake to tell people coming to CL "you have to use emacs because
> that's what most people use". People should be able to use any text editor
> they want.
>
> Only recently I discovered a project (cusp) that lets people easily install
> SBCL and use it from within Eclipse. I think that's great in terms of bring
> CL to a wider audience.
>
> http://sergeykolos.com/cusp/update/
>
> Justin
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