Consolidating Common Lisp Libraries

I've started an initiative to consolidate CL libraries:
http://fare.livejournal.com/169346.html

Is it appropriate to reactivate the cCLan list toward discussion on
such consolidation?

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XCVB patch for split-sequence

Can it be applied upstream?

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How to depend on a system optionally?

I've read several times that it's a head ache to configure optional
dependencies with ASDF. 

How true is that? Could we perhaps provide another clause
:OPTIONALLY-DEPEND-ON in DEFSYSTEM which would load a system only if
available?

Reason is that I'm going to revive

  http://common-lisp.net/project/hyperdoc/

which is a good example of a natural optional dependency. And I'd like
to make its inclusion as easy as possible so it'll see widespread
adoption.

Thanks!,

  -T.

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sourceforge website + cliki

I've updated the sourceforge cclan page (http:// 
cclan.sourceforge.net/) to point towards asdf's new home. I've also  
updated the cliki.

(next step, mailing lists...)
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Re: git repo on cl.net trashed?!

(cc'd to list)

Thanks Daniel,

I bow to your git fu <smile>

The problem was the permissions of the directories in objects. I  
thought I had fixed these already but ... In any case, making all of  
these drwsrwsr-w seems to do the trick.

> gking <at> cl-net:/project/asdf/public_html/asdf.git$ git fsck
> dangling commit 22b407fd3be1f1515d2b7a0143c07376c82f3f30

I've pulled Nikodemus's push and  I've pushed some minor website and  
formatting tweaks of my own so things seem one step closer to working.

thanks,

On May 7, 2009, at 10:15 PM, dherring <at> tentpost.com wrote:

> FWIW, the following objects are stored in the objects directory (if  
> bare,
> .git/objects else).  So 00fe92.. should be found in objects/00/fe93...
>
>>> error: 00fe921ca3660cd116825f76a56b4912f878857c: object corrupt or
>>> missing
> ...
>
> You'll notice these broken links point to objects in the above list.
>>> broken link from    tree f3ddd609fef1183f3778d22a599e1029de74b4ce

git repository for ASDF

I've (finally) created a git repository of what was on SourceForge as  
of a few days ago. You can clone it using

      git clone http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf.git asdf

The four of you should also be able to clone via

     git clone http://gking <at> common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf.git asdf

Please let me know if anything goes awry.

I plan to get the website up on cl.net soon (this weekend) and point  
the source forge pages to it.

I'll include notes on the initial workflow too.

Any comments on the setup, etc (or anything else) will be very welcome.

thanks,
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ASDF:OPERATE should bind *PACKAGE* and *READTABLE*

IMO ASDF:OPERATE is sufficiently akin to LOAD and COMPILE-FILE, that
it too should bind package and readtable. Attached patch does this.
Unless cries of outrage are heard, I'll merge this soonish.

Cheers,

 -- Nikodemus

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[gwking <at> metabang.com: asdf to cl.net; cvs to git]

From: Gary King <gwking <at> metabang.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:39:10 -0500
Subject: [cclan-list] asdf to cl.net; cvs to git

As discussed previously, I'd like to move asdf from sourceforge to  
cl.net. I'd also like to move from CVS to git.

# Cons

* we lose easy access to the history of the repository

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Why shutdown the Sourceforge copy?  Just put a comment into the
Sourceforge source code about the move, adjust cliki and move
forward.  Leave Sourceforge up as a crumb on the trail to Lisp.

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asdf to cl.net; cvs to git

As discussed previously, I'd like to move asdf from sourceforge to  
cl.net. I'd also like to move from CVS to git. I also want to make  
things as simple as possible for all the stakeholders (i.e., the lisp  
community, the cCLan creators and maintainers, me (!)).

I'm not a VCS-maven and haven't found any brain-dead simple cvs to git  
converters that are come with only praise. The easiest thing (for me)  
to do would be to checkout the head of the ASDF repository and start a  
fresh git image from there.

# Pros

* it's easy
* requires no research into software tools
* it could be done today!

# Cons

* we lose easy access to the history of the repository

I personally don't mind losing the history but if there are those that  
do, speak up! Also, if there are those that have experience  
transitioning from CVS to git and can tell me how to do it easily, let  
me know!

If I don't hear any protests, I'll move ASDF into git without its  
history by Tuesday.

thanks,
--

wither ASDF

The recent traffic regarding ASDF features, missing features, lost  
patches, and a possible move leaves me wondering (again) about the  
more basic question of where ASDF and ASDF-Install should head. These  
are very different pieces of software so I'm going to focus on just  
ASDF for now.

Questions (or perhaps vague musings) that I have from time to time are:

* What is ASDF?

* how does ASDF related to SBCL? Is there a special relationship? Is  
it more special than it needs to be?

* who pushes ASDF forward and in what direction?

* how do we get ASDF to be included in all Lisp distributions?

* how do we make ASDF better?

* how does ASDF relate to ASDF-Install and what about these new- 
fangled kids like mudballs, cl-build, and so on.

* Who wants to lead ASDF development (and who has the time!)

* Is ASDF maintenance a democracy, an oligarchy or a monarchy (and, in  
every case, who is doing the directing?)

For the last few years, ASDF has been stable (but perhaps too stable).  
There are a lot of directions it could go.

aside from the pangs of history, what about moving ASDF to common-lisp.net

Are there good reasons to keep ASDF on sourceforge?

If not, then what do folks think about moving it to common-lisp.net?

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