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Joseph E. Sacco, PhD | 5 Jan 2006 18:29
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[ydl-gen] [ANNOUNCE] GARNOME 2.13.4

GARNOME 2.13.4
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The "timezones make a difference" release.

We are pleased to announce the release of GARNOME 2.13.4 Desktop and
Developer Platform. This release includes all of GNOME 2.13.4 plus a lot
of tweaked build-magic. It is for anyone who wants to get his hands
dirty on the development branch.

Tarball:
 http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/garnome/2.13/garnome-2.13.4.tar.bz2
 MD5: 3d59cacd216fd12e18bee5ad7a6842fe

Note: GNOME 2.13.x is an unstable branch and is assumed to be a moving
target. Therefore, things in this release may not work as advertised. If
you find any issues with this release, then please consider joining the
#garnome channel on GIMPNet (irc://irc.gnome.org) or post to the mailing
list.

Enjoy,

The GARNOME Team

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Owen Stampflee | 5 Jan 2006 18:36

[ydl-gen] [Fwd: [yellowdog-announce] Terra Soft Launches Most Polished Yellow Dog to Date: Press Release 2006 01/05]

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Subject: [yellowdog-announce] Terra Soft Launches Most Polished Yellow
Dog to Date: Press Release 2006 01/05
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:27:19 -0700

TERRA SOFT LAUNCHES YDL V4.1

PHOENIX, Arizona - 5 January 2006 - Terra Soft Solutions, the leading 
developer of integrated Power Architecture Linux solutions is pleased to 
announce the release of Yellow Dog Linux v4.1.

This next evolution of Yellow Dog provides an incredible array of updates and 
improvements, the foundation for the most complete, integrated release to 
date:
    - Support for backlit keys.
    - PCMCIA cell phone and modem support.
    - Support for Atheros wi-fi cards.
    - Dual head config via the GUI.
    - Install direct to and boot from FireWire drives.
    - USB device auto-mount under both KDE & GNOME.
    - Greatly improved sound support.
    - Graphical Up2Date package install and update tool.
    - Support for the latest Apple PowerBooks.
    - Beta support for Apple G5 PowerMacs with dual core CPUs.
    - Basic 64-bit development and runtime support.

... and a completely rebuilt KDE and Gnome "start" menu for vastly improved 
navigation of the graphical user interface.
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Rick Thomas | 5 Jan 2006 21:08
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Re: 4 old macs

My reply is located at the end of this post.

On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Dombi, George wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> Help me Obi-won Kenobi, Help me.
>
> I'm hoping I can trouble you with a bunch of questions about  running 
> linux on mac.
>
> I have 4 old world macs (three 6500 mac (603e chip) and one 6100 mac 
> (G3 upgrade chip) ).  All run OS 9.1 nicely.  And all were running 
> Seti <at> home.  They were connected on a switch by Den Mother and Puppies 
> clustering software, which is an AppleSoft method of  message passing 
> to connects Mac. It was OK but I had no software to  run so I didn't 
> use it. Even Seti has changed away from OS 9.
>
> Now I want to go to Linux and run BOINC/Seti <at> home and Mpich for my 
> cluster software.  So here are my questions.  How do I do all of that?
>
> I have loaded Yellow Dog 3.0 Linux on one machine (6500) so far which 
> recognized its second network card.  I used YDL 3 because it   was the 
> highest version YDL that I could load.  YDL 4 seems to be for new 
> World macs. The next thing is to turn this 6500 into a DHCP  server 
> using the Yellow Dog programs.  Can you walk me throught that?  Also I 
> tried to load BOINC but nothing happened.  Do you  know how to use 
> BOINC?  Someone said YDL will not run it.  I tried to compile BOINC on 
> YDL but got lost in downloading extra files.
>
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Eric Dunbar | 7 Jan 2006 14:58
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Re: [ydl-gen] Re: 4 old macs

Hi, just a plug for my favourite distributed computing project,
Folding <at> Home, http://folding.stanford.edu/ (Unlike SETI Folding <at> Home
has a number of publications to its name... though, I guess SETI was
the grand-daddy of the distributed computing projects :-)

Anyway, just a comment about the economics of running all these "old"
computers, and it's something about which I am conflicted (the
environmental damage of producing computers/disposing of them vs. the
environmental damage of the electricity used by them).

Four "old style" (hardware energy efficiency), Old World, and one
NuBus Mac (6500s are PCI, right?) running 24/7 chew up a lot of
energy. For the sake of argument (and, simplicity of calculation ;-),
let's assume each uses 100 W/h. That's 400 W/h.

Per day that's 24 h x 400 W/h = 9.6 kWh. Per year (365.25 d) that's
3506.4 kWh. At $0.10/kWh that's $350.64.

Let's assume subsidised power (most electricity is (and is fossil
fuel-produced) since the environmental costs aren't paid by
coal/fossil fuel producers or electricity users, but are "paid" by all
through the "tradgedy of the commons") at $0.075/kWh (very realistic
price in NA) and that's $262.98/a.

If you were to replace all four computers with one that'd be $65.75
and you'd save $197.24/a on the other three.

For $200 USD you can pick yourself up a 400-500 MHz G4 on eBay (not
shipped, granted), and it would do everything... run Seti faster than
all of the OldWorld Macs together (or Folding <at> Home :-) :-) :-), act as
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Jim Ricken | 8 Jan 2006 03:58

[ydl-gen] Mac mini vs Powerpc 8600=energy consumption

Hi all !
Hey I know that this is a stupid question to ask but what would be 
cheaper to let run all day long
the Mac mini or my old world powerpc 8600 w/G4 upgrade?
sometimes I just turn on the old 8600 which has ydl 3.0 installed on it 
boot into ydl 3.0.and reminise about the good old days with ydl 3.0.
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Brian Wood | 8 Jan 2006 04:10

Re: [ydl-gen] Mac mini vs Powerpc 8600=energy consumption

Either unit is likely to draw less power than whatever display unit  
it is connected to, although LCD units draw far less than CRTs.

On Jan 7, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Jim Ricken wrote:

> Hi all !
> Hey I know that this is a stupid question to ask but what would be  
> cheaper to let run all day long
> the Mac mini or my old world powerpc 8600 w/G4 upgrade?
> sometimes I just turn on the old 8600 which has ydl 3.0 installed  
> on it boot into ydl 3.0.and reminise about the good old days with  
> ydl 3.0.

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Derick Centeno | 8 Jan 2006 04:53
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Re: [ydl-gen] Mac mini vs Powerpc 8600=energy consumption

Hi Jim:
It so happens that Eric Dunbar brought up a very important factor of 
consideration of what "cheaper" actually means -- power 
consumption/expenditure.  He also brings out an interesting measurement 
which could be useful as a means of considering how much one is losing 
or spending in terms of power.  From this measurement, usually but not 
always, the most efficient system is the newest system one can possibly 
acquire.

Basic Physics: Find and take note of the power requirements of all the 
items connected to one power outlet.  In other words, remember that 
each device necessary to run together with the computer adds to your 
total power expenditure.  So remember to consider and add the power 
used by the monitor or screen or external hard drive or anything else 
connected to the computer.  You'll notice that Mr. Dunbar omitted these 
additions; do yourself the favor and consider the total cost and 
expenditure and you'll see very quickly which system becomes more 
"efficient" in your particular situation.  Mr. Dunbar's contribution 
follows:

	From: 	  eric.dunbar <at> gmail.com
	Subject: 	Re: [ydl-gen] Re: 4 old macs
	Date: 	January 7, 2006 8:58:48 AM EST
	To: 	  yellowdog-general <at> lists.terrasoftsolutions.com, 
rbthomas55 <at> pobox.com
	Reply-To: 	  yellowdog-general <at> lists.terrasoftsolutions.com

Hi, just a plug for my favourite distributed computing project,
Folding <at> Home, http://folding.stanford.edu/ (Unlike SETI Folding <at> Home
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Eric Dunbar | 9 Jan 2006 01:47
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Re: [ydl-gen] Mac mini vs Powerpc 8600=energy consumption

On 1/7/06, Jim Ricken <jsac346 <at> hotpop.com> wrote:
> Hi all !
> Hey I know that this is a stupid question to ask but what would be
> cheaper to let run all day long
> the Mac mini or my old world powerpc 8600 w/G4 upgrade?
> sometimes I just turn on the old 8600 which has ydl 3.0 installed on it
> boot into ydl 3.0.and reminise about the good old days with ydl 3.0.

It depends what you use it for and with. Is it headless? Then the Mac
mini will probably use half _or less_ the energy that the 8600 with
the G4 upgrade (which will add to the load) would.

You could be saving on the order of $20-70/year if you were to compare
running both machines 24/7 (assuming ~50 W draw for the Mac mini (on
average) vs 150 W draw (on average) for your 8600, upgraded to G4 (the
upgrade will draw more power than the 8600 would alone)).

Add in energy efficiencies (chances are the Mac mini is being used
with a newer screen for e.g.) on the monitor and you'll be saving more
with a Mac mini + LCD vs. an 8600 + CRT (making assumptions about old
tech+old tech and new tech+new tech) (a 17" CRT itself will draw 150 W
for an annual cost of $32 at $0.075/kWh, if it runs for 8 h/d).

So, over the life span of a computer you can save on your electricity
costs (which will only continue to rise) and minimise the
environmental damage your computer use causes (each kWh = 1 kg of
CO2... a 150 W device (e.g. monitor) used 8 h/d consumes 400 kWh/a and
generates 400 kg/a or 0.4 tonnes/a (1 metric ton = 1000 kg = 2200 lbs)
of CO2 when generated from coal (and, 2/3 of US energy need is met by
coal :-( :-(.
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Norberto Quintanar | 9 Jan 2006 04:45
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Re: [ydl-gen] Mac mini vs Powerpc 8600=energy consumption

If it's a big deal install photovoltaic shingles and the proper
batteries.  Solar power is nice.

--- Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/7/06, Jim Ricken <jsac346 <at> hotpop.com> wrote:
> > Hi all !
> > Hey I know that this is a stupid question to ask but what would
> be
> > cheaper to let run all day long
> > the Mac mini or my old world powerpc 8600 w/G4 upgrade?
> > sometimes I just turn on the old 8600 which has ydl 3.0 installed
> on it
> > boot into ydl 3.0.and reminise about the good old days with ydl
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H. Apfel | 9 Jan 2006 10:08
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Re: [ydl-gen] Mac mini vs Powerpc 8600=energy consumption

><snip>
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>It depends what you use it for and with. Is it headless? Then the Mac
>mini will probably use half _or less_ the energy that the 8600 with
>the G4 upgrade (which will add to the load) would.
>
>You could be saving on the order of $20-70/year if you were to compare
>running both machines 24/7 (assuming ~50 W draw for the Mac mini (on
>average) vs 150 W draw (on average) for your 8600, upgraded to G4 (the
>upgrade will draw more power than the 8600 would alone)).

Nononono! I measured a Mac mini (1.42 - 1 Gig) at 27 W (Typing) / 35 
W (with optical drive on).

My iBook (1.25) has a 45 W Adapter which powers the computer, screen 
& battery recharger. It's basically the same computer with an added 
screen.

So I'd max the mini (CPU 100% load, low graphic load, no optical 
drive) at 35 W.

Greetings

Holger
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