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Alex Samorukov | 4 Aug 2011 15:12
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Re: different thresholds on csmi (win32)

Hi, thank you for trying.
For me its looks like to be a bug. Is it possible for you to boot from 
Linux (or FreeBSD) LiveCD to check this on Linux?

For me it looks like that second table is buggy. Fortunately i have no 
real windows boxes around, so for me its hard to say where the problem 
is.  After trying in Linux i`m recommending to create a bugreport, so 
windows maintainer will be able to check this.

On 08/04/2011 02:19 PM, ion coting wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Alex Samorukov<ml <at> os2.kiev.ua>  wrote:
>> I see that only difference between outputs is "Vendor Specific SMART
>> Attributes with Thresholds:" table.
> Yes, that's exactly what the subject says :)
>
>> Only idea i have is that one of the driver do some kind of caching and
>> results are outdated. Could you check if its true by rebooting and running
>> smartctl after reboot? Do both counters keep growing or only one of them?
> [...]
>
> Here is the output after reboot
> http://pastebin.com/4NxBXG4H
>

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Christian Franke | 4 Aug 2011 19:17
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Re: different thresholds on csmi (win32)

ion coting wrote:
> Usinghttp://smartmontools-win32.dyndns.org/smartmontools/smartmontools-5.42-0-20110616-r3380.win32-setup.exe
> on xp sp3 32bit -
> once using /dev/csmi0,0 -d ata, and then /dev/sda -d ata (same drive)
>
> http://pastebin.com/VzN9SFHX
> http://pastebin.com/F0Bu6tdu
>
>    

For further diagnostics please provide output of:

smartctl -r ioctl,2 -d ata -A -f brief /dev/sda

> The drive is NOT in a intel fakeraid, it's just a ICH9R but configured
> in native sata mode.
>    

This is probably a bug in the standard (non-RAID capable) ATA 
pass-through I/O-control of the Intel driver. Which version is used?

The (fixed) thresholds are read via a separate ATA SMART command which 
was declared obsolete in ATA-4 (1998). So it might be never tested by 
driver authors.

> Which output is the right one?
>    

Alex Samorukov wrote:
> For me its looks like to be a bug. Is it possible for you to boot from
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Aleck Müller | 3 Aug 2011 22:44

USB External Hard Drive: SMART

Hello!

I have tried my new drive with the following command:
$ sudo smartctl -d sat -a /dev/sdb
smartctl version 5.38 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     WDC WD5000BMVW-11AMCS0
Serial Number:    WD-WX61A1117910
Firmware Version: 01.01A01
User Capacity:    500 107 862 016 bytes
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is:    Thu Aug  4 02:31:56 2011 ALMT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

SMART Disabled. Use option -s with argument 'on' to enable it.
------------------------------------
A pare of the last messages seemed quite strange to me and I took the advice:
sudo smartctl -d sat -s on -a /dev/sdb
smartctl version 5.38 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     WDC WD5000BMVW-11AMCS0
Serial Number:    WD-WX61A1117910
Firmware Version: 01.01A01
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ion coting | 4 Aug 2011 14:19
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Re: different thresholds on csmi (win32)

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Alex Samorukov <ml <at> os2.kiev.ua> wrote:
> I see that only difference between outputs is "Vendor Specific SMART
> Attributes with Thresholds:" table.

Yes, that's exactly what the subject says :)

>
> Only idea i have is that one of the driver do some kind of caching and
> results are outdated. Could you check if its true by rebooting and running
> smartctl after reboot? Do both counters keep growing or only one of them?

[...]

Here is the output after reboot
http://pastebin.com/4NxBXG4H

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Christian Franke | 6 Aug 2011 13:49
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Re: different thresholds on csmi (win32)

ion coting wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Christian Franke
> <...>  wrote:
>    
>> ion coting wrote:
>>      
>>>
>>> Usinghttp://smartmontools-win32.dyndns.org/smartmontools/smartmontools-5.42-0-20110616-r3380.win32-setup.exe
>>> on xp sp3 32bit -
>>> once using /dev/csmi0,0 -d ata, and then /dev/sda -d ata (same drive)
>>>
>>> http://pastebin.com/VzN9SFHX
>>> http://pastebin.com/F0Bu6tdu
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> For further diagnostics please provide output of:
>>
>> smartctl -r ioctl,2 -d ata -A -f brief /dev/sda
>>      
> http://pastebin.com/336PUDN9 (output from linux)
> http://pastebin.com/t5jk2T0N (output from windows)
>
>    

Both outputs look good. This suggests that /dev/csmi0,0 output is buggy.

Please provide also this output from the Windows version:

smartctl -r ioctl,2 -d ata -A -f brief /dev/csmi0,0
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Christian Franke | 6 Aug 2011 13:59
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Re: USB External Hard Drive: SMART

Aleck Müller wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I have tried my new drive with the following command:
> ...
> A pare of the last messages seemed quite strange to me and I took the advice:
> sudo smartctl -d sat -s on -a /dev/sdb
> smartctl version 5.38 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen
> Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
>
> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
> Device Model:     WDC WD5000BMVW-11AMCS0
> Serial Number:    WD-WX61A1117910
> Firmware Version: 01.01A01
> User Capacity:    500 107 862 016 bytes
> Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
> ATA Version is:   8
> ATA Standard is:  Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
> Local Time is:    Thu Aug  4 02:38:42 2011 ALMT
> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
> SMART support is: Enabled
>
> === START OF ENABLE/DISABLE COMMANDS SECTION ===
> SMART Enabled.
> SMART Disabled. Use option -s with argument 'on' to enable it.
> -----------------------------------
> Now a pare of the last messages seemes me even more strange :-(
> What is wrong?
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ion coting | 5 Aug 2011 18:43
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Re: different thresholds on csmi (win32)

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Christian Franke
<Christian.Franke <at> t-online.de> wrote:
> ion coting wrote:
>>
>>
>> Usinghttp://smartmontools-win32.dyndns.org/smartmontools/smartmontools-5.42-0-20110616-r3380.win32-setup.exe
>> on xp sp3 32bit -
>> once using /dev/csmi0,0 -d ata, and then /dev/sda -d ata (same drive)
>>
>> http://pastebin.com/VzN9SFHX
>> http://pastebin.com/F0Bu6tdu
>>
>>
>
> For further diagnostics please provide output of:
>
> smartctl -r ioctl,2 -d ata -A -f brief /dev/sda

http://pastebin.com/336PUDN9 (output from linux)
http://pastebin.com/t5jk2T0N (output from windows)

>
>
>> The drive is NOT in a intel fakeraid, it's just a ICH9R but configured
>> in native sata mode.
>>
>
> This is probably a bug in the standard (non-RAID capable) ATA pass-through
> I/O-control of the Intel driver. Which version is used?
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Tim Small | 11 Aug 2011 14:18
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Icybox IB319 external enclosure - broken JMicron bridge chip?

FYI,

I have an Icybox IB-319  (IB-319StUS2-B) (EAN 4250078184485 ) - it has a
JMicron JM20329 USB bridge chip in it.  When connected over either USB
or eSATA, running smartctl can make the bridge chip lock up.

I can't really understand what's causing this in eSATA mode, because
looking at the PCB traces, the eSATA signals do not go through the
JM20329 - (actually the eSATA connector and the JM20329 have their data
lines wired together, and then there are capacitors in between those
traces and the SATA connector which goes to the drive - no other
connections to the SATA data lines).  Maybe the JM20329 eavesdrops on
the eSATA traffic?

I'd guess that scheme doesn't comply with the eSATA standard, but
polling for non-SMART data works fine (hdparm -I), and so does normal
disk I/O - it's just SMART that makes it lock up.

Ho Hum.

Tim.

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Alex Samorukov | 11 Aug 2011 15:32
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Re: Icybox IB319 external enclosure - broken JMicron bridge chip?

It looks like drive failure, not enclosure. eSATA usually implemented 
without any action from enclosure controller side. JM20329 should be 
supported with -d usbjmicron option.

On 08/11/2011 02:18 PM, Tim Small wrote:
> FYI,
>
> I have an Icybox IB-319  (IB-319StUS2-B) (EAN 4250078184485 ) - it has a
> JMicron JM20329 USB bridge chip in it.  When connected over either USB
> or eSATA, running smartctl can make the bridge chip lock up.

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Tim Small | 11 Aug 2011 19:42
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Re: Icybox IB319 external enclosure - broken JMicron bridge chip?

On 11/08/11 14:32, Alex Samorukov wrote:
> It looks like drive failure, not enclosure. eSATA usually implemented 
> without any action from enclosure controller side.

Well, that's what I thought, but two drives (different makes+models)
both work fine when direct-connected to the same SATA host adaptor with
a sata cable, but fail using this eSATA port.  Power is possible, but
why would SMART fail when everything else works?

>  JM20329 should be 
> supported with -d usbjmicron option.
>   

OK.  I didn't seem to have to do add any switches to access them via USB
(Linux 2.6.32 + smartctl 5.40), but I'll try that to see if makes any
difference regarding reliability.

Cheers,

Tim.

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