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Mark Nelson | 1 Jul 2006 01:47
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question re: PCI IDE ATA controllers

I'm having a hard time getting SMART support using PCI IDE ATA controllers.

It looks like many of these controllers present the drives to the
system as if they were SCSI drivers, which must make the SMART
interface inaccessible.

Right now I'm using a Highpoint RAID controller - not in RAID mode -
as a simple 4 port IDE controller. It hides the SMART interface.

I would like to replace it with a couple of two port IDE non-RAID
controllers that do support SMART, but so far I haven't had much luck
- for one thing, I have yet to see a spec on any card that mentions
SMART support, and it is apparently an optional part of the ATA spec.

Does anyone have a reference list of IDE ATA cards that will present
my drives to the system as true IDE drives and not SCSI drivers?

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Bruno Wolff III | 1 Jul 2006 16:51
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Re: question re: PCI IDE ATA controllers

On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 18:47:08 -0500,
  Mark Nelson <markn <at> ieee.org> wrote:
> I'm having a hard time getting SMART support using PCI IDE ATA controllers.
> 
> It looks like many of these controllers present the drives to the
> system as if they were SCSI drivers, which must make the SMART
> interface inaccessible.
> 
> Right now I'm using a Highpoint RAID controller - not in RAID mode -
> as a simple 4 port IDE controller. It hides the SMART interface.
> 
> I would like to replace it with a couple of two port IDE non-RAID
> controllers that do support SMART, but so far I haven't had much luck
> - for one thing, I have yet to see a spec on any card that mentions
> SMART support, and it is apparently an optional part of the ATA spec.
> 
> Does anyone have a reference list of IDE ATA cards that will present
> my drives to the system as true IDE drives and not SCSI drivers?

I am using a Highpoint Rocket 133 PCI card and smart works just fine.
I am not using any propietary drivers (just whatever comes with the
2.6 kernel in Fedora) and am using software raid and the drives look
like normal ide drives. I am only using one drive on each controller,
though I doubt that makes any difference.

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Mark Nelson | 1 Jul 2006 16:50
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Re: question re: PCI IDE ATA controllers

Hmmm..

Must be a difference between the windows and linux drivers, I'm trying
to get this to run on WIndows 2003 server. FWIW, support at HighPoint
said their card does not support SMART, but he didn't sound too sure
of himself. :-)

On 7/1/06, Bruno Wolff III <bruno <at> wolff.to> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 18:47:08 -0500,
>   Mark Nelson <markn <at> ieee.org> wrote:
> > I'm having a hard time getting SMART support using PCI IDE ATA controllers.
> >
> > It looks like many of these controllers present the drives to the
> > system as if they were SCSI drivers, which must make the SMART
> > interface inaccessible.
> >
> > Right now I'm using a Highpoint RAID controller - not in RAID mode -
> > as a simple 4 port IDE controller. It hides the SMART interface.
> >
> > I would like to replace it with a couple of two port IDE non-RAID
> > controllers that do support SMART, but so far I haven't had much luck
> > - for one thing, I have yet to see a spec on any card that mentions
> > SMART support, and it is apparently an optional part of the ATA spec.
> >
> > Does anyone have a reference list of IDE ATA cards that will present
> > my drives to the system as true IDE drives and not SCSI drivers?
>
> I am using a Highpoint Rocket 133 PCI card and smart works just fine.
> I am not using any propietary drivers (just whatever comes with the
> 2.6 kernel in Fedora) and am using software raid and the drives look
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Bruno Wolff III | 1 Jul 2006 17:03
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Re: question re: PCI IDE ATA controllers

On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 09:50:46 -0500,
  Mark Nelson <markn <at> ieee.org> wrote:
> Hmmm..
> 
> Must be a difference between the windows and linux drivers, I'm trying
> to get this to run on WIndows 2003 server. FWIW, support at HighPoint
> said their card does not support SMART, but he didn't sound too sure
> of himself. :-)

Well as a test to see if it is a driver issue, you might try booting using a
live CD and running smartctl under linux.

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Bruno Wolff III | 1 Jul 2006 17:11
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Ads on the support list?

I find it annoying the sourceforge seems to be sticking ads on to the
support list messages. Especially since the don't add a break between the
message and the ad. If you are not using a signature the ad initially looks
like part of the message.
At least they aren't sticking them in the archives, but I still find it
annoying.

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Christian Franke | 1 Jul 2006 20:41
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Re: question re: PCI IDE ATA controllers

Mark Nelson wrote:
> Hmmm..
>
> Must be a difference between the windows and linux drivers, I'm trying
> to get this to run on WIndows 2003 server. FWIW, support at HighPoint
> said their card does not support SMART, but he didn't sound too sure
> of himself. :-)
>
>   

Windows drivers for RAID capable PCI ATA controllers are usually 
implemented as SCSI drivers.
These drivers do not support the I/O controls used to access ATA SMART.
smartctl prints a message "SMART_GET_VERSION failed" in this case.
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9476998&forum_id=12495

smartctl versions build from recent CVS use a new ioctl.
http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/#FAQ-win-ioctl
Adding the modifier ":a" to the device name (e.g. smartctl ... 
/dev/hdb:a) selects this ioctl.
This may work with your driver.
If not, please post output of "smartctl -i -r ioctl,2 /dev/hdX:a".
See http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/#WindowsInstall for a download 
link.

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Mark Nelson | 1 Jul 2006 20:52
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Re: question re: PCI IDE ATA controllers

> Windows drivers for RAID capable PCI ATA controllers are usually
> implemented as SCSI drivers.
> These drivers do not support the I/O controls used to access ATA SMART.
> smartctl prints a message "SMART_GET_VERSION failed" in this case.
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=9476998&forum_id=12495

yeah, I've come to realize that - but I was asking the opposite question.

Are there any plain jane Ultra ATA/133 PCI IDE cards that are known to
positively work with SMART monitoring software?

My long quest to get a good RAID-5 system, mostly for backup, led me
to finally decide on software RAID with Windows 2003 - but the system
performs very poorly unless each drive has its won IDE channel, thus
the need for extra controllers.

The Highpoint RAID system didn't cost much more than two controller
cards, and it has four channels, so I thought it would make a good
choice - my mistake. I was not using it as a RAID controller, simply
as a four-channel IDE controller.

Now I'm willing to back down to two conventional cards, but I don't
want to buy ones that aren't going to work, and since NONE of them
specify SMART support anywhere in their docs, I thought I'd hit the
group in the hopes that someone knows of a specific card.

On 7/1/06, Christian Franke <Christian.Franke <at> t-online.de> wrote:
> Mark Nelson wrote:
> > Hmmm..
> >
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Christian Franke | 1 Jul 2006 22:07
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Re: question re: PCI IDE ATA controllers


>
> Now I'm willing to back down to two conventional cards, but I don't
> want to buy ones that aren't going to work, and since NONE of them
> specify SMART support anywhere in their docs, I thought I'd hit the
> group in the hopes that someone knows of a specific card.
>

I'm not aware of any card, sorry.

There is a method to detect at least the class of the card's driver.
Download and unpack the latest driver from the vendors homepage and 
examine the *.inf file.
If the [Version] section contains "Class=SCSIAdapter", it is unlikely 
that the drivers supports ATA SMART.
If "Class=HDC", then SMART should be supported.

Christian

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mckennsurveys | 1 Jul 2006 18:42
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NAV reports virus in smartmontools install file


I downloaded smartmontools-5.36-1.win32-setup.exe a few days ago, but hadn't
yet had time to install it.  Today while I was working on something unrelated,
Norton AntiVirus 2006 popped up an alert dialog saying it had detected and
removed a virus, with these details:

Object:      ...\smartmontools-5.36-1.win32-setup.exe
Virus Name:  Trojan.Zlob
Action:      File automatically deleted.

I have no idea what triggered the virus scan; I just did a full system
scan yesterday and it found one virus (not Zlob) in a file already in 
my Recycle bin but that was it.

Trojan.Zlob isn't a new virus, and I've had the smartmontools install file 
for a few days (i.e. before the full scan yesterday), so I'm puzzled why 
NAV only just found the virus today.  It seems remotely possible that NAV 
is mistaken and there was no virus in the file.  

Either way, I wanted to report the issue to the smartmontools community.

b.

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Christian Franke | 1 Jul 2006 23:59
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Re: NAV reports virus in smartmontools install file

mckennsurveys <at> earthlink.net wrote:

> I downloaded smartmontools-5.36-1.win32-setup.exe a few days ago, but hadn't
> yet had time to install it.  Today while I was working on something unrelated,
> Norton AntiVirus 2006 popped up an alert dialog saying it had detected and
> removed a virus, with these details:
>
> Object:      ...\smartmontools-5.36-1.win32-setup.exe
> Virus Name:  Trojan.Zlob
> Action:      File automatically deleted.
>   

I could reproduce the problem with the online scanner at www.virustotal.com:
Symantec reports "Trojan.Zlob", all (25) others report "no virus found"

Same result for the stup "lzma_solid" of the NSIS installer which is 
used to generate the smartmontools installer.

Looks like a false positive.

> Either way, I wanted to report the issue to the smartmontools community.
>   

Thank you!

Christian

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