John Richard Moser | 1 Nov 01:36 2006
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Isolated Base Installation?


In the face of new technologies I'm thinking about pulling some ideas
out of Phasic Linux, an old Linux distribution idea I had when I was
younger, and throwing them at the Ubuntu community to see if they come
up with anything.  The first of these is the Isolated Base Installation.

Basic information comes from my old files, which I've publicized on the
machine behind me.  These are old and ugly.  New ideas are presented
here which go beyond the original ideas, but are in a crude and
unrefined brainstorm state.

  http://bluefox.kicks-ass.org/stuff/bluefox/plx/www/admin.html

NEW TECHNOLOGIES MAKING THINGS POSSIBLE

I would like to first identify the new technologies that will make the
things described here possible.

 - FUSE Filters.  FUSE will have a FilterFS API released in the future,
   which will allow a FUSE File System to read through itself.  In other
   words, if you mount EncFS on /home, and then mount CompressFS on
   /home, you will write to CompressFS, which will compress and write to
   EncFS, which will encrypt and write to the underlying disk.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.fuse.devel/3595/focus=3626

 - UnionFS.  FUSE filters can be used to implement a FUSE UnionFS
   transparently.  This UnionFS could be designed to union multiple file
   systems and hide the underlying mount point, for example /union_base
   could be hidden if the UnionFS mounted over /.
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smithveg | 1 Nov 01:38 2006
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should i update my system?

Hi,

I have about 185 items in my system has never update. Do i really need to update all?

In past 2 days, i had try to update all 185 items. But it seems to re-configure the graphic driver. So it caused my can not play the games.
In addition, when i type fglrxinfo in terminal. The result is not the correct one.

I'm here to ask, should i update all the items? Or which items i should not update if i want to keep the graphic card driver.
Thanks

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smithveg

<div><p>Hi,<br><br>I have about 185 items in my system has never update. Do i really need to update all?<br><br>In past 2 days, i had try to update all 185 items. But it seems to re-configure the graphic driver. So it caused my can not play the games.
<br>In addition, when i type fglrxinfo in terminal. The result is not the correct one.<br><br>I'm here to ask, should i update all the items? Or which items i should not update if i want to keep the graphic card driver.<br>
Thanks<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>smithveg
</p></div>
Anthony Yarusso | 1 Nov 01:37 2006
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Re: Network Manager not working after resuming from suspend/hibernation


Peter Gavin wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> The subject says it all.  Whenever I resume my laptop from suspend, I
> have to do sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart in order to get
> NetworkManager to see any networks.  (It doesn't even see the ethernet
> port.)  This is an IBM T30 laptop, but I've replaced the wifi card it
> came with with an Intel ipw2200.  Also, I'm running edgy.  I didn't
> have this problem in dapper.  (It might be worth mentioning that this
> is a clean install of edgy, not an upgrade from dapper; however I
> installed it before edgy was fully released.)  Has anyone else had
> this problem?
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete
> <pgavin <at> gmail.com>
> 
Yes, I have had that problem, on an IBM/Lenovo T43.  I hadn't tried the
dbus restart; I just suspend and re-wake when it happens.  Also a clean
install from pre-release Edgy.
Dimitri Mallis | 1 Nov 01:38 2006
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Re: bluetooth - how to pair phones

dimitri <at> ubuntu:~$ hcitool scan
Scanning ...
        00:0F:DE:BB:7E:F0       K700i
dimitri <at> ubuntu:~$ sudo hcitool cc 00:0F:DE:BB:7E:F0
dimitri <at> ubuntu:~$ sudo hcitool auth 00:0F:DE:BB:7E:F0
HCI authentication request failed: Input/output error
dimitri <at> ubuntu:~$

well it just wont let me enter a code to pair the phone, no matter how many times i run sudo hcitool auth 00:0F:DE:BB:7E:F0

i can send & recieve files but can use any syncronise software which is what i want to use

im using edgy

<div><p>dimitri <at> ubuntu:~$ hcitool scan<br>Scanning ...<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 00:0F:DE:BB:7E:F0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; K700i<br>dimitri <at> ubuntu:~$ sudo hcitool cc 00:0F:DE:BB:7E:F0<br>dimitri <at> ubuntu:~$ sudo hcitool auth 00:0F:DE:BB:7E:F0<br>HCI authentication request failed: Input/output error
<br>dimitri <at> ubuntu:~$ <br><br>well it just wont let me enter a code to pair the phone, no matter how many times i run sudo hcitool auth 00:0F:DE:BB:7E:F0<br><br>i can send &amp; recieve files but can use any syncronise software which is what i want to use
<br><br>im using edgy<br></p></div>
Nikolai | 1 Nov 02:53 2006

Re: should i update my system?

smithveg wrote:

> I'm here to ask, should i update all the items? Or which items i should not
> update if i want to keep the graphic card driver.
> Thanks

Every time you update your kernel, the video driver must be re-installed
 (or at least this is the case with the recent ATI drivers).

I would rather leave the rest of the updates to be taken care of by the
system.

Nikolai
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User Iam | 1 Nov 03:09 2006
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can't switch to new desktop

HI

I can't switch to a text login..

As in <ctrl><alt><f3>

It goes there but, gives an out of range message!!!


Any thoughts??

User Iam

<div><p>HI<br><br>I can't switch to a text login..<br><br>As in &lt;ctrl&gt;&lt;alt&gt;&lt;f3&gt;<br><br>It goes there but, gives an out of range message!!!<br><br><br>Any thoughts??<br><br>User Iam<br></p></div>
golfer | 1 Nov 03:27 2006
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Re: edgy fuzzy fonts bad

On 10/31/06, Christopher J. Bottaro <cjbottaro <at> alumni.cs.utexas.edu> wrote:

OK, thanks for all the tips.  After reading the referenced bug report
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/63403 , I
realize that my problem is solved by setting the font antialiase to
full hinting.  So, now I have great fonts again.

So, if you also are having problems, try that too.

regards,

Peter Garrett | 1 Nov 03:42 2006
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Wither Ubuntu ? was (Re: The, "Edgy in the news" thread)

On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:43:18 +1100
Jeff Waugh <jdub <at> perkypants.org> wrote:

> <quote who="Cybe R. Wizard">
> 
> > Does anyone else find it ironic that this thread is being pursued on
> > Sounder?  
> > Wouldn't the information involved get (and deserve) better
> > distribution on the, "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general
> > discussions," list?
> 
> sounder is for chit-chat and discussions, ubuntu-users is for technical
> support. 

So it has been decreed, yes. 

> The traffic on ubuntu-users is already so great, that it makes
> sense to use the lists as originally intended. 

Who draws the line, Jeff? Answer: you can't, and neither can anyone else.
People are free, and will continue to express themselves as they see fit.
If not, they will leave. Simple, really. If they leave, Ubuntu loses
breadth, because the kind of people who will leave over such issues are
people who do not see computing purely through technical eyes, but rather
as a means to an end, and as a part of culture.

> It's also more clear for
> people considering which list to subscribe to -- for instance, I'm not
> wildly interested in technical support issues, but am interested in the
> random pranks and amusements here on sounder.

So i take it that any  "meta-discussion" , in your view, belongs on
sounder? And where does serious discussion belong if this is the list
for "random pranks and amusements" ? The problem with this, as I pointed
out at the time that the "Topic" for ubuntu-users was changed, is that
what we end up with is an artificial and arbitrary division between
"technical" and "< insert your terms of choice here >

Since part of the philosophy behind Ubuntu is to be inclusive, to be
human, to be what we are because of what we all are, it grates for me and
evidently quite a few others, when decisions like this are made.

That would be why my reply to Cybe's post was sarcastic - not directed at
him, at all - in fact during the discussion about the topic change he was
one of those who objected to it - but regarding the philosophy behind this
kind of arbitrary division. Of course the majority will sign up for the
"help" mailing list - that is so obvious as not to require comment. My
question would be "What is Ubuntu for? Is it to empower people to make use
of computing ?" If so, then issues of education and of philosophy are not
irrelevant to a "help" list. Nailing a list down is not in my view in the
spirit of ubuntu as I understand the term.

The counter argument is that we have to be specific and keep the noise
level down, and that the list becomes too diffuse and difficult, or too
irrelevant. I have been subscribed to ubuntu-users since early 2005, if I
remember correctly, and only occasionally have I felt that a thread had
become truly absurd. Mailing lists *always* drift off-topic - it's
practically a truism.

There is a drift in the "community" towards blaming the messengers. We
already have divisions between various "factions" . That is also
inevitable in the process of forming a "community" and is inescapable. I
insert "community" in quotes because really, describing an international
group of people, mostly communicating via the Net, using that term is ...
highly metaphorical to say the least.

If it becomes uncomfortable for people to express themselves, they won't
hang around: and if decisions are made by the wrong means, people will be
alienated. I suspect for example that the handling of the Edgy artwork
issue has already alienated some of the art team, and I personally would
sympathise if this is the case. It appears that aesthetic decisions were
made by people who perhaps have greater experience in technical matters.

To sum up: this thread started as "Edgy in the News" - the good news is
that Ubuntu is a great distribution, and that's why we are all  here. The
bad news is that our very success is planting seeds of failure, unless we
listen to those who are criticising us. In the end we have to be
transparent and good listeners. We can't do that without input from people
who want to discuss the broader issues, and we won't reach many people by
merely discussing those issues on sounder.

I expect this will be an unpopular post with some people. Some people
won't even read this far. Some people will dismiss it with a shrug.

I suggest the honeymoon is over. This is a new phase, and we won't keep
people unless we retain a view of Ubuntu that transcends "Information
Technology".

And yes, I'm cross-posting to "users" .

Sincerely,

Peter

Santiago Erquicia | 1 Nov 03:54 2006
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Re: edgy fuzzy fonts bad

2006/10/31, golfer <golfbuf <at> gmail.com>:
> I don't like the fonts in edgy, compared to dapper.  They are too
> fuzzy.  In all applications, and all fonts, even the ttf I installed
> from my M$ partition.  It's a 10 on the yuck factor!
>
> It's particularly objectionable in konsole, with dejavu sans mono at
> 10 px.  It's very difficult to read.  I'm still downloading and
> installing, so can't try anything in gnome yet.
>
> I have an LCD with the nvidia-glx driver.
>
> Everything is cool in dapper, so I know it's an edgy problem.
>
> This is enough of a problem to make me stay with dapper.  I hope it
> can be fixed, but so far, I don't see any postings here or in the
> forums.
>
> Anyone else having this problem, or can help?
>
> TIA
>

What do you have under "Subpixel Order" when you go to System >
Preference > Font > Details?

I had VRGV instead of RGB which I used to have. Changing this back
solved my problem.

Santiago

Jeff Waugh | 1 Nov 04:00 2006

Re: Wither Ubuntu ? was (Re: The, "Edgy in the news" thread)

<quote who="Peter Garrett">

> > sounder is for chit-chat and discussions, ubuntu-users is for technical
> > support. 
> 
> So it has been decreed, yes. 

It was the intention from the start.

> > The traffic on ubuntu-users is already so great, that it makes
> > sense to use the lists as originally intended. 
> 
> Who draws the line, Jeff? Answer: you can't, and neither can anyone else.
> People are free, and will continue to express themselves as they see fit.

For sure. But do expect people to encourage posts to the correct list, so
discussions can take place in the appropriate venues.

> If not, they will leave. Simple, really. If they leave, Ubuntu loses
> breadth, because the kind of people who will leave over such issues are
> people who do not see computing purely through technical eyes, but rather
> as a means to an end, and as a part of culture.

So I'm sure those people will appreciate a list focused on the culture of
Ubuntu, without the massive overload of technical discussion on the users
lists.

> So i take it that any  "meta-discussion" , in your view, belongs on
> sounder? And where does serious discussion belong if this is the list
> for "random pranks and amusements" ?

It's clear from the description of the lists as to what is appropriate.
Don't use my casual phrasing to score points. I don't know why this has to
be an argument.

> The problem with this, as I pointed out at the time that the "Topic" for
> ubuntu-users was changed, is that what we end up with is an artificial and
> arbitrary division between "technical" and "< insert your terms of choice
> here >

There's support, and then there's discussion. It's not very arbitrary. :-)

> Since part of the philosophy behind Ubuntu is to be inclusive, to be
> human, to be what we are because of what we all are, it grates for me and
> evidently quite a few others, when decisions like this are made.

Well, it was always intended to be this way, and it makes it much simpler
for people to decide where to post and what about, and choose which topics
they want to track.

I've snipped the rest of your mail -- I don't think the appropriateness of
topics on these mailing lists is worthy of such significant verbiage. This
isn't a big deal, it's just normal adaptation of community forums as they
grow. It's certainly not going to have a big impact on Ubuntu's ability to
find new users, grow, or continue with the "Linux for Human Beings" ethic.

- Jeff

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