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EDSON Patrão Pinto | 22 May 17:01
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RE: ubuntu-doc Digest, Vol 92, Issue 20


 
> From: ubuntu-doc-request <at> lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: ubuntu-doc Digest, Vol 92, Issue 20
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> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:00:33 +0000
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> 1. Quantal Doumentation Freeze (Kate Stewart)
> 2. Re: Quantal Doumentation Freeze (Chris Druif)
> 3. Re: Quantal Doumentation Freeze (Phill Whiteside)
> 4. Re: Quantal Doumentation Freeze (Matthew East)
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> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:15:41 -0500
> From: Kate Stewart <kate.stewart <at> canonical.com>
> To: ubuntu-doc <at> lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Quantal Doumentation Freeze
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> Greetings Docs-Team,
> We have been working through the input from UDS-Q, and feedback from
> translation team, and trying to figure out the best point for the
> DocumentationStringFreeze [1] for the Quantal cycle.
>
> Based on the input so far, Sept. 20 looks like the best fit
> for the Documentation String freeze, this puts it 1 month after
> FeatureFreeze, and will still give the translation team some time to
> get the translations ready by Oct 9th. [2]
>
> Anyone see any issues with making the DocumentationStringFreeze be
> Sept. 20th? Other factors that need to be considered?
>
> Thanks, Kate
>
>
> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationStringFreeze
> [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock
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> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:41:11 +0200
> From: Chris Druif <chrisdruif <at> ubuntu.com>
> To: kate.stewart <at> canonical.com
> Cc: ubuntu-doc <at> lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Quantal Doumentation Freeze
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> No objection from me. We need to close it some day, might as well be Sept.
> 20th.
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> With metta, Chris
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> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Kate Stewart
> <kate.stewart <at> canonical.com>wrote:
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> >
> > Greetings Docs-Team,
> > We have been working through the input from UDS-Q, and feedback from
> > translation team, and trying to figure out the best point for the
> > DocumentationStringFreeze [1] for the Quantal cycle.
> >
> > Based on the input so far, Sept. 20 looks like the best fit
> > for the Documentation String freeze, this puts it 1 month after
> > FeatureFreeze, and will still give the translation team some time to
> > get the translations ready by Oct 9th. [2]
> >
> > Anyone see any issues with making the DocumentationStringFreeze be
> > Sept. 20th? Other factors that need to be considered?
> >
> > Thanks, Kate
> >
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationStringFreeze
> > [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock
> >
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> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:49:14 +0100
> From: Phill Whiteside <PhillW <at> Ubuntu.com>
> To: Chris Druif <chrisdruif <at> ubuntu.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-doc <at> lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Quantal Doumentation Freeze
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> I think giving the translations team a firm date with time do the work is
> excellent. Freeze exceptions will always occur, but a month gives time for
> feature freeze exceptions before the translators heavily commit.
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> Regards,
>
> Phill.
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> On 21 May 2012 22:41, Chris Druif <chrisdruif <at> ubuntu.com> wrote:
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> > No objection from me. We need to close it some day, might as well be Sept.
> > 20th.
> >
> > With metta, Chris
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> > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Kate Stewart <kate.stewart <at> canonical.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Greetings Docs-Team,
> >> We have been working through the input from UDS-Q, and feedback from
> >> translation team, and trying to figure out the best point for the
> >> DocumentationStringFreeze [1] for the Quantal cycle.
> >>
> >> Based on the input so far, Sept. 20 looks like the best fit
> >> for the Documentation String freeze, this puts it 1 month after
> >> FeatureFreeze, and will still give the translation team some time to
> >> get the translations ready by Oct 9th. [2]
> >>
> >> Anyone see any issues with making the DocumentationStringFreeze be
> >> Sept. 20th? Other factors that need to be considered?
> >>
> >> Thanks, Kate
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationStringFreeze
> >> [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock
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> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:33:51 +0100
> From: Matthew East <mdke <at> ubuntu.com>
> To: kate.stewart <at> canonical.com
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> Subject: Re: Quantal Doumentation Freeze
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> On 21 May 2012 21:15, Kate Stewart <kate.stewart <at> canonical.com> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings Docs-Team,
> > ? We have been working through the input from UDS-Q, and feedback from
> > translation team, and trying to figure out the best point for the
> > DocumentationStringFreeze [1] for the Quantal cycle.
> >
> > ? Based on the input so far, ?Sept. 20 looks like the best fit
> > for the Documentation String freeze, ?this puts it 1 month after
> > FeatureFreeze, and will still give the translation team some time to
> > get the translations ready by Oct 9th. [2]
> >
> > ? Anyone see any issues with making the DocumentationStringFreeze be
> > Sept. 20th? ? Other factors that need to be considered?
>
> It's not ideal to have only three weeks after UserInferfaceFreeze
> (which is the real date on which documentation writing and checking
> can be done reliably) until DocumentationStringFreeze, particularly
> since UserInterfaceFreeze is not usually respected 100%. It also seems
> a little tight to leave just a week between FeatureFreeze and
> UserInterfaceFreeze.
>
> I appreciate the need to allow sufficient time for translating. If
> there is anything that can be done to move the FeatureFreeze and
> UserInterfaceFreeze earlier in the process, that would be appreciated.
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Kate Stewart | 21 May 22:15
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Quantal Doumentation Freeze


Greetings Docs-Team, 
   We have been working through the input from UDS-Q, and feedback from
translation team, and trying to figure out the best point for the
DocumentationStringFreeze [1] for the Quantal cycle. 

   Based on the input so far,  Sept. 20 looks like the best fit
for the Documentation String freeze,  this puts it 1 month after
FeatureFreeze, and will still give the translation team some time to 
get the translations ready by Oct 9th. [2] 

   Anyone see any issues with making the DocumentationStringFreeze be
Sept. 20th?   Other factors that need to be considered?

Thanks, Kate

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationStringFreeze
[2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock
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Tim Legg | 18 May 06:30
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Issue with PostfixBasicSetupHowto on help.ubuntu.com


I was stepping through the document:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto

It is a great document that has helped me expand my knowledge into a realm
that I know very little about.  But I ran into an exception that is not
covered by the document.  The nature of this exception leads me to believe
there is a shortcoming in the document.

In the section, "Testing Courier POP3".  when I follow the steps, I get:

+OK Hello there.
user fmaster
+OK Password required.
pass XcXcXcXc
-ERR chdir Maildir failed

(Where XcXc is the password I created for the user in this instance)

Never before has there been any mention of a Maildir or about changing to
it.  Seems to be an oversight.  I performed every prior step with a
positive response from the software, so up to this point, everything has
been correct.

The following step regarding "Testing Courier IMAP" similarly doesn't
work.  Every prior test performed in the document has been successful.

I tried sending an e-mail to the contact at the bottom of the page, but
fossedu.org no longer exists.  I didn't get a bounce from the other
address, but I'm not optimistic.  God only knows when these e-mails were
last used.

Tim Legg
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cprofitt | 13 May 21:58
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New Tag -- For Migration Only

Hello all:

I would like to propose a possible tag for us to use in the case of
migration.

"Do Not Migrate"

This tag would be used so that the automated migration system would not
import old articles.

The other option is to delete the pages, but that would require an
admin. The tags would allow more people to help with the process.

Thanks,

Charles
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Tom Davies | 13 May 11:11
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breaking up long pages

Hi :)

Someone doing excellent work at breaking-up a very long page has asked my advice on a few issues.  It's just occurred to me that people or other pages might have deep-links into specific parts of the page.  By deep-links i mean links that have a # in order to reach a specific part of the page, eg
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Displays

Would it be best to keep the old titles that were on the long page and then just put a new deep-link there to the new place?  eg
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Set_menu_font_and_highlight_colors
to link to the relevant section on the new sub-page 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Displays#Setting_Menu_Font_Colors

After the page has been broken-up is it possible to find all the other pages that might have deep-links into the original long page?  Are there other complications and if so are there good ways around those problems? 

Am i being too pedantic and harsh?  After all, if deep-links break the person does get to the right page but is shown the beginning of the page where the Table-of-Contents is rather than being given exactly what they expect. 

Regards from
Tom :)
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Matthew East | 10 May 10:35
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Software on help.ubuntu.com

On 2 May 2012 22:34, Matthew East <mdke <at> ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On 30 April 2012 05:44, Benjamin Kerensa <bkerensa <at> ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> Glad you reached out about this.... In Q-Cycle their will be a move
>> towards a new platform for help.u.c which means migration of all content
>> on the entire domain not just /community
>
> Did I miss out on a discussion in which this decision was made? If you
> could point me to it, I'd be interested in catching up.

I haven't yet found evidence of how or if this decision has been made
nor have I had a response to the above, but I have just located the
following two discussion items at this week's UDS which ubuntu-doc
members may be interested in following. I'm quite disgusted that the
ubuntu-doc team was not informed about either item, and one of them is
already in the past and the other is scheduled for today, but in any
event here they are for information:

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-docteam
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-help

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Matthew East | 10 May 09:19
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Fwd: Wiki Admin Membership - Charles Profitt

Dear all,

Please see below from Charles. Does anyone have any comments on his
membership of the wiki admin team?

Matt

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Charles Profitt <cprofitt <at> ubuntu.com>
Date: 9 May 2012 23:37
Subject: Wiki Admin Membership
To: Matthew East <matt <at> mdke.org>

Hello:

I am interested in becoming a member of the team.

I have:

- read the Wiki Guide.
- made significant contributions to the help wiki by way of edits to
pages
- demonstrated an understanding of the issues that can arise from
deleting and renaming pages, and how to avoid them

Thanks,

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drstalk | 9 May 21:21
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Grub2 Page Revision

With the introduction of a new LTS, it's time to rewrite the Grub2 page. The original page was created when
there was little documentation on Grub 2 from any source. The page has expanded and is currently far too long.

I have some ideas about the best way to make the revision and ask for your input but would appreciate your opinions.

1.  My suggestion is to divide Grub 2 documentation into separate pages.
      a.
Grub2 (existing page):
      Overview
Grub2/Installation&Configuration
      The Grub 2 files, how to configure them, installing Grub 2, updating from Grub Legacy,
Grub2/Booting
      How to work with the G2 menu from the boot menu.
Grub2/Submenus
      Recently created. How to use the submenu feature.
Grub2/Troubleshooting
      Working with the G2 menu (rescue mode), purging/reinstalling, terminal operations
Grub2/Themes
      Or should it be called "Displays" since it could also cover simple backgrounds, colors, etc.

Other pages which I've created (*) or seen (!) in the Ubuntu Forums tutorial section and could migrate:
      Grub2/Passwords (*)
      Grub2/BootingISOs (*)
      Grub2/CustomMenus (!)

Other pages which are needed but which I have no technical knowledge to contribute:
Grub2/UEFI
Grub2/RAID

      b. Recommendations for other G2 pages?

2.  I also have questions about the titles.
      a. Is the "Grub2/xxx" a good convention (or at least acceptable)?
      b. Is a title like "Installation&Configuration" too long. I'd guess so, but I don't want too many pages so
would prefer not to split them up. Anyone have a better idea and/or title?
      b. Is there a better way of setting this up?

3. Implementation.
     At the moment, my intent would be to copy/revise a new page coexisting with the current page. I would place a
note at the start of the existing section for which a new page has been created asking viewers to visit the
new page and make any additions/corrections there. Once the new page was complete, the existing section
would be replaced by a link to the new page.

Thanks for the inputs.

Dave
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Mike Carifio | 27 Apr 19:41
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Re: introduction, question


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We localized and have attached the appropriate zh_CN images. Here's how we did it:

1) we reviewed all .png files in C/figures and enumerated the list of those that were locale specific
2) for each of these candidates, we created in zh_CN/figures an image that:
    a) has the same size and aspect ratio
    b) has the same content
    c) snapshotted from precise running zh_CN

Please check these into trunk branch for precise in time for a new ubuntu-docs upload that will be necessary for the next lang pack release on 05/11/2012.

Any question about dates? Please discuss with David Planella.

Thanks.


On 04/27/2012 07:39 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> Either way is great!
> On Apr 27, 2012 9:28 AM, "Mike Carifio" <michael.carifio <at> canonical.com>
> wrote:
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>>
> Jeremy, Kyle hit on an alternative manual approach. We have some zh_CN
> screenshots, although we may not have full coverage. How would you like
> to take delivery of the figures? A merge proposal? An archive file? Pl.
> advise at your earliest convenience. Thanks.
>
> On 04/26/2012 01:58 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> >>> On 26 April 2012 15:02, Mike Carifio <michael.carifio <at> canonical.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> Jeremy, I took two more passes at this. In the first pass, following the
> >>>> "stage directions" in the collect*.sh files,
> >>>> I tried to take manual screenshots on a zh_CN precise (in a kvm virtual
> >>>> machine, more on that below).
> >>>>
> >>>> Then I tried modifying collect-screenshots-without-mouse.sh to generate
> >>>> those .png files.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've attached the whole thing as ubuntu-help.tgz with this layout:
> >>>>
> >>>> .ubuntu-help/
> >>>> ├── collect-screenshots-without-mouse.sh ## modified script
> >>>> └── zh_CN ## output of the script
> >>>> ├── figures
> >>>> │ ├── nautilus.png
> >>>> │ ├── unity-dash.png
> >>>> │ ├── unity-dash-sample.png
> >>>> │ └── unity-overview.png
> >>>> └── manual ## manual attempts
> >>>> ├── nautilus.png
> >>>> ├── unity-appmenu-intro.png
> >>>> ├── unity-dash.png
> >>>> ├── unity-dash-sample.png
> >>>> ├── unity-overview.png
> >>>> ├── unity-windows.png
> >>>> └── unity-workspace-intro.png
> >>>>
> >>>> In doing it manually, I note that my kvm based VM swallows several
> >>>> xdotool key sequences, which may account for the differing screen shots.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unfortunately, some of the unity screenshots depend on zeitgeist (e.g.
> >>>> the recent files in the dash). This isn't easy to "fix up" after the
> >>>> first script run or manually pass.
> >>>>
> >>>> When I started this, I installed precise and select zh_CN during
> >>>> installation. Then I would ssh into the VM and invoke the collect*.sh
> >>>> scripts in bash. I think that would be my preferred way to do this in
> >>>> general, even though it didn't have the best outcome this time around.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hope this helps. Please advise. Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Well you don't have to use the scripts. I made the 11.10 and 12.04
> >>> screenshots without it (and then redid the 12.04 shots with it). If
> >>> the scripts work right, it should dramatically speed up how long it
> >>> takes to stage the shots and make them more accurate. Maybe you could
> >>> print the scripts out and just do each line manually or run the
> >>> command from a virtual terminal. Or just use a traditional (non-VM)
> >>> Ubuntu 12.04 install and the xdotool keyboard commands should work.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know a better way of staging the Dash history than clearing
> >>> the history and manually running each app and file from the Dash. In
> >>> my testing, I saw that using Ctrl+Alt+T to open the terminal and then
> >>> running eog from the command line did not result in either Terminal or
> >>> Image Viewer being added to the Dash recent apps. I believe the
> >>> Zeitgeist databases are stored in .local/share/zeitgeist but it didn't
> >>> seem a good idea to just copy and paste that directory.
> >>>
> >>> I did see a couple days ago that zeitgeist is preseeded with a few
> >>> apps. Maybe there's some way we could tap into that potential but it
> >>> sounds a bit complex.
> >>> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeitgeist-datahub/0.8.2-1ubuntu2
> >>>
> >>> Jeremy
> >>>
>
>>
>>
>

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karl anliot | 2 May 08:49
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https://help.ubuntu.com/community page not loading

https://help.ubuntu.com/community

this page is working when I log out, but never loads when I login. Also subpages not loading.

I tried #ubuntu-wiki but nobody responded.

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Aaron Allen LMT | 26 Apr 19:11
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32vs64bit wiki...

On the 32vs64bit wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit the "which should I choose" conclusion recommends 64bit, yet when downloading the live CD image from official Ubuntu download page  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop it specifically recommends the 32bit architecture though my computer supports 64bit.  I did not have the time to become a wiki editor, yet I felt this might be confusing to some readers.  Maybe you would like to clarify or amend the wiki.


Thanks for listening,
Aaron

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