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Jens Kasten | 14 Apr 2009 17:20

Forum

Hi list,

i would suggest to give a forum a try.
If someone like to spend in his sparetime to help to manage the forum,
it would a good startpoint.
Also if a forum would be stabliesed then we would need suggestions for
the categories.
For example:

  installation,
  software dependcies,
  tools for create policies,

like this.
My oppinion is, that a forum has create flexibility for searching then
an maillinglist. If the forum grows with knowledge then it would be good
place to keep the users experience readable through the most common used
software, the internetbrowser, avaible to the public.
Maybe i never had really learnt how to search through all archived
mails. But maybe iam not allone with this limitations. :)
So please think about it, and help to bring the knowledge from the dark
celler to the public surface.

grüsse
jens

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Daniel Cegielka | 14 Apr 2009 17:31
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Re: Forum

excellent idea...
...and more documentation ;)

daniel

Jens Kasten pisze:
> Hi list,
> 
> i would suggest to give a forum a try.
> If someone like to spend in his sparetime to help to manage the forum,
> it would a good startpoint.
> Also if a forum would be stabliesed then we would need suggestions for
> the categories.
> For example:
> 
>   installation,
>   software dependcies,
>   tools for create policies,
> 
> like this.
> My oppinion is, that a forum has create flexibility for searching then
> an maillinglist. If the forum grows with knowledge then it would be good
> place to keep the users experience readable through the most common used
> software, the internetbrowser, avaible to the public.
> Maybe i never had really learnt how to search through all archived
> mails. But maybe iam not allone with this limitations. :)
> So please think about it, and help to bring the knowledge from the dark
> celler to the public surface.
>  
> grüsse
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Javier J. Martínez Cabezón | 14 Apr 2009 17:44
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Re: Forum

As a regular user forum and ex-moderator of one of them I say this, I
think it's "not" a good idea. Reasons, at least the 90% of the forums,
if not all, finally does only content garbage, the reason is that
people does not search nothing before posting it's question. A lot of
threads has titles like this "HELP, URGENT" and it's problem it's
related with (for example) that he doesn't know howto unpack the
tar.gz. I think the wiki is a better way to content documentation
(your humour sense will change with a forum keep this in mind), more
controlled and with less useless documentation.

2009/4/14 Jens Kasten <igraltist <at> rsbac.org>:
> Hi list,
>
> i would suggest to give a forum a try.
> If someone like to spend in his sparetime to help to manage the forum,
> it would a good startpoint.
> Also if a forum would be stabliesed then we would need suggestions for
> the categories.
> For example:
>
>  installation,
>  software dependcies,
>  tools for create policies,
>
> like this.
> My oppinion is, that a forum has create flexibility for searching then
> an maillinglist. If the forum grows with knowledge then it would be good
> place to keep the users experience readable through the most common used
> software, the internetbrowser, avaible to the public.
> Maybe i never had really learnt how to search through all archived
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Paul D. Robertson | 14 Apr 2009 17:35

Re: Forum

I'd be willing to set up and host a forum, probably a week so so before 
I could stand it up- but I'm willing.

Paul

Jens Kasten wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> i would suggest to give a forum a try.
> If someone like to spend in his sparetime to help to manage the forum,
> it would a good startpoint.
> Also if a forum would be stabliesed then we would need suggestions for
> the categories.
> For example:
> 
>   installation,
>   software dependcies,
>   tools for create policies,
> 
> like this.
> My oppinion is, that a forum has create flexibility for searching then
> an maillinglist. If the forum grows with knowledge then it would be good
> place to keep the users experience readable through the most common used
> software, the internetbrowser, avaible to the public.
> Maybe i never had really learnt how to search through all archived
> mails. But maybe iam not allone with this limitations. :)
> So please think about it, and help to bring the knowledge from the dark
> celler to the public surface.
>  
> grüsse
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Andrew Dobbie | 14 Apr 2009 17:24
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Re: Forum

Forums are definitely easier to search than mailing list archives.
Re-answering the same questions isn't a very good use of developers' time.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Jens Kasten <igraltist <at> rsbac.org> wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> i would suggest to give a forum a try.
> If someone like to spend in his sparetime to help to manage the forum,
> it would a good startpoint.
> Also if a forum would be stabliesed then we would need suggestions for
> the categories.
> For example:
>
>  installation,
>  software dependcies,
>  tools for create policies,
>
> like this.
> My oppinion is, that a forum has create flexibility for searching then
> an maillinglist. If the forum grows with knowledge then it would be good
> place to keep the users experience readable through the most common used
> software, the internetbrowser, avaible to the public.
> Maybe i never had really learnt how to search through all archived
> mails. But maybe iam not allone with this limitations. :)
> So please think about it, and help to bring the knowledge from the dark
> celler to the public surface.
>
> grüsse
> jens
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Jens Kasten | 15 Apr 2009 23:14
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Re: Forum

For this we need moderators, to take some time keep clean or give an
advice where he can read about this or that problem.
What i think is, that not the problem is to setup some restriction or
policies, more the background why we want do this.
When iam imaging for simple example, if i setup an webserver and do
on /root chmod 777 and save there a passwordlist for all users, and this
can the webserver read because access to all is allow on this directory,
but in the same time i use the rsbac-um module to protect the password
information, then something is wrong.
Such situation can not exclude in a setup, because the system is very
complex, from my point of view.
The wiki for documentation is mostly written, for how can used this and
the syntax of that. It is good to read it but the understanding how the
system works as complex unit can not be covered. This is only through
long time user experience possible. 
This is what i expect from a forum particular.
Never it would be all written there, i can use or understand, but get a
new focus on a particular problem, can much more help then tons of
written words.

Am Dienstag, den 14.04.2009, 11:24 -0400 schrieb Andrew Dobbie:
> Forums are definitely easier to search than mailing list archives.
> Re-answering the same questions isn't a very good use of developers' time.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Jens Kasten <igraltist <at> rsbac.org> wrote:
> 
> > Hi list,
> >
> > i would suggest to give a forum a try.
> > If someone like to spend in his sparetime to help to manage the forum,
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Amon Ott | 17 Apr 2009 10:58

Re: Forum

Hello everyone!

On Tuesday 14 April 2009 wrote Jens Kasten:
> i would suggest to give a forum a try.
> If someone like to spend in his sparetime to help to manage the forum,
> it would a good startpoint.
> Also if a forum would be stabliesed then we would need suggestions for
> the categories.
> For example:
>
>   installation,
>   software dependcies,
>   tools for create policies,
>
> like this.
> My oppinion is, that a forum has create flexibility for searching then
> an maillinglist. If the forum grows with knowledge then it would be good
> place to keep the users experience readable through the most common used
> software, the internetbrowser, avaible to the public.
> Maybe i never had really learnt how to search through all archived
> mails. But maybe iam not allone with this limitations. :)
> So please think about it, and help to bring the knowledge from the dark
> celler to the public surface.

After waiting a few days for your opinions it is time for me to give my view. 
In general, I agree that we need more information available about RSBAC.

For me, a forum is useful to focus on some topics and provide direct 
solutions. Even though the mailing list is supposed to provide that and the 
IRC channel answers quick questions, some people might find it easier to ask
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Paul D. Robertson | 17 Apr 2009 15:58

Re: Forum

Amon Ott wrote:

> - The forum is hosted in a virtual server forum.rsbac.org. If Paul is still 
> willing to set it up and maintain it technically, I would gladly accept this 
> offer and support him at the server side. If we feel daring and find more 
> people, we could make it more general and call it forum.kernelsecurity.org 
> with general and RSBAC topics seperated (yes, we own that domain. :).
> 

I'd think that making it more general would be a good idea.  I generally 
use SMF as I find it to be as good as the commercial forum packages.  It 
needs MySQL and PHP- about the only thing you can't do from the admin 
interface is back up user-submitted images (avatars if allowed and 
images embedded in posts that are uploaded to the server.)  Are you 
proposing hosting it?  I can host it, but all my hosting is on 
Virtuozzo-based VPSes, so they're not RSBAC'd- I can set up a forum on 
one over the weekend, or early next week- or if you wish to host, we can 
coordinate that.

I'd suggest the following main boards:

General Trusted Computing Base
RSBAC
SeLinux
TrustedBSD/Darwin
Other Trusted Operating Systems

With appropriate sub-boards under that- perhaps News, 
Configurations/Tips, and Assistance to start.
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Jens Kasten | 17 Apr 2009 16:16

Re: Forum

Hi,

Iam would help too, to take parts from moderations tasks.
So the minimum from moderators site would be fullfilled.
I hope the forum does grow on running time.

grüsse
jens

Am Freitag, den 17.04.2009, 09:58 -0400 schrieb Paul D. Robertson:
> Amon Ott wrote:
> 
> > - The forum is hosted in a virtual server forum.rsbac.org. If Paul is still 
> > willing to set it up and maintain it technically, I would gladly accept this 
> > offer and support him at the server side. If we feel daring and find more 
> > people, we could make it more general and call it forum.kernelsecurity.org 
> > with general and RSBAC topics seperated (yes, we own that domain. :).
> > 
> 
> I'd think that making it more general would be a good idea.  I generally 
> use SMF as I find it to be as good as the commercial forum packages.  It 
> needs MySQL and PHP- about the only thing you can't do from the admin 
> interface is back up user-submitted images (avatars if allowed and 
> images embedded in posts that are uploaded to the server.)  Are you 
> proposing hosting it?  I can host it, but all my hosting is on 
> Virtuozzo-based VPSes, so they're not RSBAC'd- I can set up a forum on 
> one over the weekend, or early next week- or if you wish to host, we can 
> coordinate that.
> 
> I'd suggest the following main boards:
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Javier J. Martínez Cabezón | 17 Apr 2009 17:37
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Re: Forum

We would need a normative, conduct of code, or something else. If
not.. it would be a crazy task...

2009/4/17 Jens Kasten <igraltist <at> rsbac.org>:
> Hi,
>
> Iam would help too, to take parts from moderations tasks.
> So the minimum from moderators site would be fullfilled.
> I hope the forum does grow on running time.
>
> grüsse
> jens
>
> Am Freitag, den 17.04.2009, 09:58 -0400 schrieb Paul D. Robertson:
>> Amon Ott wrote:
>>
>> > - The forum is hosted in a virtual server forum.rsbac.org. If Paul is still
>> > willing to set it up and maintain it technically, I would gladly accept this
>> > offer and support him at the server side. If we feel daring and find more
>> > people, we could make it more general and call it forum.kernelsecurity.org
>> > with general and RSBAC topics seperated (yes, we own that domain. :).
>> >
>>
>> I'd think that making it more general would be a good idea.  I generally
>> use SMF as I find it to be as good as the commercial forum packages.  It
>> needs MySQL and PHP- about the only thing you can't do from the admin
>> interface is back up user-submitted images (avatars if allowed and
>> images embedded in posts that are uploaded to the server.)  Are you
>> proposing hosting it?  I can host it, but all my hosting is on
>> Virtuozzo-based VPSes, so they're not RSBAC'd- I can set up a forum on
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