weekly i18n meeting

Reminder about the weekly i18n meeting tomorrow:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2010-04-08

Current agenda items include:

    * FAS i18n-team updated to i-b <at> fp.o (tagoh)
    * F13 relnotes and bugs
          o fontconfig binding="same" fixes for f13 (tagoh)
          o Splitting TC and SC
    * Fonts
          o relicensing of Lohit/Liberation?? (pravins)
          o new Liberation Fonts contributions coming (kaio)
    * Input Methods
          o ibus-table and m17n packaging reorganization (kaio,paragan) 

Update on m17n-db and m17n-contrib packages in F14

FYI,
     In rawhide(F14), m17n-lib, m17n-db and m17n-contrib packages are 
updated to their latest upstream releases. We have now removed language 
specific subpackages to minimize the overhead of maintaining many 
subpackages.
    The new packaging now provides less used keymaps in subpackage 
m17n-{db/contrib}-extras and all other keymaps in main package m17n-db 
and m17n-contrib.

Regards,
Parag.

Re: Update on m17n-db and m17n-contrib packages in F14

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 April 2010 10:32, Parag Nemade <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pnemade <at> redhat.com">pnemade <at> redhat.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">
FYI,<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; In rawhide(F14), m17n-lib, m17n-db and m17n-contrib packages are<br>
updated to their latest upstream releases. We have now removed language<br>
specific subpackages to minimize the overhead of maintaining many<br>
subpackages.<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp;The new packaging now provides less used keymaps in subpackage<br>
m17n-{db/contrib}-extras and all other keymaps in main package m17n-db<br>
and m17n-contrib.<br>
</blockquote>
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<br>This is really good steps, since one can choose his required keyboard layout from ibus preferences.<br>also we enable default keyboard layout as per locale also.<br><br>so yeah good step.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Pravin S<br>
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Please review another new proposal to improve Chinese fonts choosing in fontconfig.

Dear all,
   We currently plan to improve Chinese fonts on Fedora 13. Last time we post a mail on fonts and i18n mailing
list, as fangqq proposed a suggestion on this. But after collecting various feedbacks from users, at
fedora-i18n meeting, a new proposal is created to replace the previous one. And after recollect these
feedbacks, it seems the new proposal is accepted by most users.(Discussion thread in Chinese:http://groups.google.com/group/fedora-cn/browse_thread/thread/61709cc25950ff03)
  Please review this new proposal, thanks. 

  The goal of this new proposal is to let Simpilified Chinese (SC) and Traditional Chinese (TC) users choose
different fonts. SC users choose SC writing style fonts, while TC users choose TC writing style fonts.
some Chinese characters with same unicode code point is written with different style in SC and TC. See:  http://tetralet.myweb.hinet.net/blog/Font_Compare.png

Purpose:
  To follow the current font policy on Fedora, we consider a new fonts conf for Chinese users in
/etc/fonts/conf.d/, as below:
  1. When use Simplified Chinese (SC for brief) locale to login Fedora gdm, all default desktop fonts will use WenQuanYi;
  2. When use Traditional Chinese (TC for brief) locale to login Fedora gdm, all default desktop fonts will
use UMing.

  For more details and some other info please read on  http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/README.en
and http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf.

  Needed Changes for this proposal:
  For UMing/UKai, I removed the following fontconfig confs to avoid conflicts with other confs and do some
clean up on this: 35-ttf-arphic-ukai-aliases.conf  35-ttf-arphic-uming-aliases.conf
41-ttf-arphic-ukai.conf  41-ttf-arphic-uming.conf 75-ttf-arphic-ukai-select.conf are removed.
  and a updated version of 64-ttf-arphic-uming.conf (from http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/64-ttf-arphic-uming.conf).
  For wqy-zenhei, some clean up is done on 44-wqy-zenhei.conf (from http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/44-wqy-zenhei.conf).
  And 65-wqy-zenhei.conf is renamed to 64-wqy-zenhei.conf, in order to override 65-nonlatin.conf. The
new version is from http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/64-wqy-zenhei.conf.

  Note:
  For some unknown reason, the fc-match can't give correct results. But it seems gnome/firefox can choose
the right fonts, actually I checked it with :
  $lsof /usr/share/fonts/*/*

Thanks,
  Peng Wu
PS:Please reply to both fedora-fonts and fedora-i18n mailing list.

Re: Please review another new proposal to improve Chinese fonts choosing in fontconfig.

>>>>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:17:57 -0400 (EDT),
>>>>> "PW" == Peng Wu <pwu <at> redhat.com> wrote:

PW>   Needed Changes for this proposal:

PW>   For wqy-zenhei, some clean up is done on 44-wqy-zenhei.conf (from http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/44-wqy-zenhei.conf).

Apparently no explanations about mixing up the upstream
numbering policy and ours in the font policy. so just leave
it so far.

PW>   And 65-wqy-zenhei.conf is renamed to 64-wqy-zenhei.conf, in order to override 65-nonlatin.conf.
The new version is from http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/64-wqy-zenhei.conf.

Please use 65-n-blahblahblah.conf instead, such as
65-0-wqy-zenhei.conf, to avoid the policy violation.

--
Akira TAGOH

>>>>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:17:57 -0400 (EDT),
>>>>> "PW" == Peng Wu <pwu <at> redhat.com> wrote:

PW>   Needed Changes for this proposal:

PW>   For wqy-zenhei, some clean up is done on 44-wqy-zenhei.conf (from http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/44-wqy-zenhei.conf).

Apparently no explanations about mixing up the upstream
numbering policy and ours in the font policy. so just leave
it so far.

PW>   And 65-wqy-zenhei.conf is renamed to 64-wqy-zenhei.conf, in order to override 65-nonlatin.conf.
The new version is from http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/64-wqy-zenhei.conf.

Please use 65-n-blahblahblah.conf instead, such as
65-0-wqy-zenhei.conf, to avoid the policy violation.

--
Akira TAGOH

Re: Please review another new proposal to improve Chinese fonts choosing in fontconfig.

>>>>>> "PW" == Peng Wu <pwu <at> redhat.com> wrote:

>PW>   And 65-wqy-zenhei.conf is renamed to 64-wqy-zenhei.conf, in order to override >65-nonlatin.conf.
The new version is from http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/64-
>wqy-zenhei.conf.

>Please use 65-n-blahblahblah.conf instead, such as
>65-0-wqy-zenhei.conf, to avoid the policy violation.

This change is merged back into http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/ in 65-0-wqy-zenhei.conf.
Please review this proposal, could we land this on Fedora 13?

Thanks,
  Peng Wu

improve user experience of fedora

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<span class="Apple-style-span">Hello everyone!</span><span class="Apple-style-span">I think we should make some change to the </span><span class="Apple-style-span"><span class="Apple-style-span">permission&nbsp;</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span">mechanism</span><span class="Apple-style-span">&nbsp; in gui envirenment.</span><span class="Apple-style-span"><span class="Apple-style-span">Most of the time, when we want to change the&nbsp;</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span"><span class="Apple-style-span">permission of a file or directory in the gui envirenment,</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span">we have to use shell to do this(in most linux publish edition).This will make those users who are not familiar with shell very embarrased, and give them a bad empression that linux can not get rid of the shell.</span><span class="Apple-style-span"><span class="Apple-style-span">If we want to attract more users(Such as windows users), 
 we must try to consider more for those ordinary users.</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span">This is my first time to send a mail to you, if i have not did it very well please perdon.</span><br><br><br><span title="neteasefooter"></span>
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Re: improve user experience of fedora

Do what thou wilt
shall  be the whole  of the Law.

On 4/16/10, 0708yc <0708yc <at> 163.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone!I think we should make some change to the permission
> mechanism  in gui envirenment.Most of the time, when we want to change the
> permission of a file or directory in the gui envirenment,we have to use
> shell to do this(in most linux publish edition).This will make those users
> who are not familiar with shell very embarrased, and give them a bad
> empression that linux can not get rid of the shell.If we want to attract
> more users(Such as windows users), we must try to consider more for those
> ordinary users.This is my first time to send a mail to you, if i have not
> did it very well please perdon.
>
1) this might find a better audiance on the 'devel' list
2) for kde, open dolphin, right click/select properties on a file/directory
3) the shell is not DOS, you can do an amazing amount of
     administration & programming with it...

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charles zeitler

Love is the law, love under will.

Re: Please review another new proposal to improve Chinese fonts choosing in fontconfig.

>>>>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:21:43 -0400 (EDT),
>>>>> "PW" == Peng Wu <pwu <at> redhat.com> wrote:

PW> This change is merged back into http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/ in 65-0-wqy-zenhei.conf.
PW> Please review this proposal, could we land this on Fedora 13?

You need to rename 64-ttf-arphic-uming.conf to 65-0- or
something like that.

  <test qual="any" name="lang" compare="contains">
    <string>zh-hk</string>
    <string>zh-tw</string>
  </test>

The default value for qual is "any". so you don't need to
describe it explicitly. also you shouldn't use
compare="contains". I'll post another mail for more details
later.

  <edit name="family" mode="prepend" binding="strong">
    <string>Bitstream Vera Sans</string>
    <string>DejaVu Sans</string>
    <string>AR PL UMing TW</string>
    <string>AR PL UMing HK</string>
    <string>AR PL UMing CN</string>
  </edit>

Do we really need this one? we use DejaVu fonts by default
for now though, any reasons you prefer Bitstream Vera fonts
rather than DejaVu fonts?

if no strong opinion on it, we could get rid of it and
binding="strong" too.

--
Akira TAGOH

>>>>> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:21:43 -0400 (EDT),
>>>>> "PW" == Peng Wu <pwu <at> redhat.com> wrote:

PW> This change is merged back into http://pwu.fedorapeople.org/fonts-conf/ in 65-0-wqy-zenhei.conf.
PW> Please review this proposal, could we land this on Fedora 13?

You need to rename 64-ttf-arphic-uming.conf to 65-0- or
something like that.

  <test qual="any" name="lang" compare="contains">
    <string>zh-hk</string>
    <string>zh-tw</string>
  </test>

The default value for qual is "any". so you don't need to
describe it explicitly. also you shouldn't use
compare="contains". I'll post another mail for more details
later.

  <edit name="family" mode="prepend" binding="strong">
    <string>Bitstream Vera Sans</string>
    <string>DejaVu Sans</string>
    <string>AR PL UMing TW</string>
    <string>AR PL UMing HK</string>
    <string>AR PL UMing CN</string>
  </edit>

Do we really need this one? we use DejaVu fonts by default
for now though, any reasons you prefer Bitstream Vera fonts
rather than DejaVu fonts?

if no strong opinion on it, we could get rid of it and
binding="strong" too.

--
Akira TAGOH

Hideki Hiura, a designer of XIM and IIIMF, passed away

Hello,

Maybe you know that, Hideki Hiura passed away of cancer at Apr 7.
http://www.kokusaika.jp/en/info/149-news-20100409.html

He was a designer of XIM and IIIMF.
XIM (X Input Method) was a first step to type multilingual language
on Linux.

Chinese article by Jserv (Jim Huang)
http://blog.linux.org.tw/~jserv/archives/2010/04/_ximiiimf_hidek.html

Rest in Peace.

Hirosi

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