Pravin Satpute | 30 Jan 05:14 2015
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Re: [Lohit-devel-list] In long term we should use Adobe font development kit (AFDKO) for Lohit ttf build

On Thursday 29 January 2015 08:17 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:

AFDKOs libre version doesn't include the removeOverlap() method, so you need something else to do that, and fontforge improved its version substantially last year.

Fontforge also improved its UFO support, such that you can use it to develop UFO+FDK projects (like Adobe Source Sans+Serif)

However, Fontforge has supported importing and exporting fea files for many years, and is scriptable for command line use.

Before deciding to switch, I recommend setting up both a fontforge and fdk based workflow from the same source and comparing the resulting binaries, and also considering how maintainable and comprehensive each is.

Agree with you. We will do comparison.
I am thinking for at least one change is to use makeotf for building ttf. I think OTM and Fontlab using it in the backend. So good if we can build Lohit ttf also with it.

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Pravin Satpute


On Jan 29, 2015 3:18 AM, "Pravin Satpute" <psatpute <at> redhat.com> wrote:
Hi All,

   I was thinking for this from some time now.
   Reasons:
  1. Lots of well know fonts are using AFDKO. AFAIK Adobe fonts are build using AFDKO.
  2. Things we required in Lohit specifically, easy to read feature files and final ttf with Adobe glyph naming guideline looks easily manageable with AFDKO.  (GlyphOrderAndAliasDB and .Fea)
  3. AFDKO feature file compilation is much better than Fontforge. Noticed this earlier with OTM errors. Also while compiling i found number of error not identified by fontforge.
  4. All command line, so we can automate very nicely.
  5. We will use fontforge only for outline related work. Presently we are still using fontforge for OpenType rules writing, i have not faced any problem into it yet. But perfect solution is we should write open type rules in .fea file itself.  This at least not targeting presently

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Pravin Satpute | 29 Jan 09:18 2015
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In long term we should use Adobe font development kit (AFDKO) for Lohit ttf build

Hi All,

   I was thinking for this from some time now.
   Reasons:
  1. Lots of well know fonts are using AFDKO. AFAIK Adobe fonts are build using AFDKO.
  2. Things we required in Lohit specifically, easy to read feature files and final ttf with Adobe glyph naming guideline looks easily manageable with AFDKO.  (GlyphOrderAndAliasDB and .Fea)
  3. AFDKO feature file compilation is much better than Fontforge. Noticed this earlier with OTM errors. Also while compiling i found number of error not identified by fontforge.
  4. All command line, so we can automate very nicely.
  5. We will use fontforge only for outline related work. Presently we are still using fontforge for OpenType rules writing, i have not faced any problem into it yet. But perfect solution is we should write open type rules in .fea file itself.  This at least not targeting presently

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Adam Williamson | 29 Jan 00:39 2015

i18n installer test cases revised

Hey, folks. Thought it'd be good to let this list know, as I think 
they originated with the i18n team.

Today I significantly revised these four test cases:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Arabic_Language_Install
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Asian_Language_Install
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Cyrillic_Language_Install
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Non-
English_European_Language_Install

Since they were basically identical except for the name of the 
language (group) to be tested, they now are all produced using a 
single template:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Testcase_language_install

language / language group name, and example languages, are passed as 
template parameters, this is described in more detail in the template 
documentation. If you want to tweak the test case text at all, just 
make the edits in the template, and they will appear in all the test 
cases (this is the neat thing about using templates).

the content of the template is based on what was previously in the 
test cases, but with some revisions to match current anaconda 
behaviour. The 'Welcome' screen is now present on live installs, so 
the long set of instructions for doing a live install in a different 
language that was on one of the pages (but not the others) are no 
longer needed.

These test cases now form part of release validation testing:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Installation_test_matrix#Internationalization_and_Localization

All release validation test events from now on will have these test 
cases in their Installation result page. Hopefully this should mean we 
catch crashes and bugs in non-English installs much earlier than 
before.

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pravins | 27 Jan 07:00 2015

[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : i18n meeting

Dear all,

You are kindly invited to the meeting:
   i18n meeting on 2015-01-28 from 06:00:00 to 06:30:00 UTC
   At fedora-meeting <at> irc.freenode.net

The meeting will be about:
This meeting is scheduled for i18n wiki cleanup task. Its long time pending task from i18n project. Lets
gather together and complete it and move forward.

More information available at:
[https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35](https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35)

Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar//meeting/2021/

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pravin.d.s@gmail.com | 21 Jan 12:33 2015
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Minutes of bi-weekly i18n meeting

Hi All,

  We had regular bi-weekly i18n meeting today. Following are the minutes.

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by pravins at 06:00:48 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-01-21/i18n.2015-01-21-06.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (pravins, 06:00:58) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-01-21 (pravins, 06:01:02) * Upcoming schedule (pravins, 06:02:22) * 2015-01-20 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) (pravins, 06:02:28) * 2015-02-10 Branch Fedora 22 from Rawhide (pravins, 06:02:28) * 2015-02-24 Alpha Freeze (pravins, 06:02:28) * 2015-02-24 Software String Freeze (pravins, 06:02:28) * 2015-02-24 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable) (pravins, 06:02:28) * 2015-02-24 Bodhi activation point (pravins, 06:02:29) * 2015-03-10 Alpha Release (pravins, 06:02:31) * Outstanding topic (pravins, 06:07:49) * #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (i18n <at> lists.fedoraproject.org) (pravins, 06:07:53) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36 (pravins, 06:07:56) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/XkbKeymaps (paragan, 06:09:32) * Outstanding task (pravins, 06:12:39) * #35: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N cleanup (i18n <at> lists.fedoraproject.org) (pravins, 06:12:39) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35 (pravins, 06:12:39) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/XkbKeymaps (pravins, 06:15:37) * Total 491 xkb layout are available (pravins, 06:15:55) * Will have 30 minutes meeting to complete i18n cleanup task https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35 (pravins, 06:19:48) * ACTION: pravins to schedule meeting for 28th Jan 2015 for completing i18n cleanup task (pravins, 06:20:26) * #40: Fedora 22 planning (pravins) (pravins, 06:23:00) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/40 (pravins, 06:23:07) * ACTION: contact to alex and siddhesh and ask for including patches in Fedora rawhide. (pravins, 06:33:26) * #41: Need to check whether any F22 proposed change affect i18n (pravins) (pravins, 06:34:12) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/41 (pravins, 06:34:12) * ACTION: document the Unicode update process on i18n wiki. (pravins, 06:38:20) * LINK: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnulib/2015-01/msg00041.html (pravins, 06:46:34) * New task (pravins, 06:50:00) * #42: Fedora 22 i18n test day (tagoh) (pravins, 06:50:00) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/42 (pravins, 06:50:00) * LINK: http://testdays.qa.fedoraproject.org/testdays/show_event?event_id=21 (pravins, 06:55:21) * Open Floor (pravins, 07:02:12) Meeting ended at 07:06:30 UTC. Action Items ------------ * pravins to schedule meeting for 28th Jan 2015 for completing i18n cleanup task * contact to alex and siddhesh and ask for including patches in Fedora rawhide. * document the Unicode update process on i18n wiki. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * pravins * pravins to schedule meeting for 28th Jan 2015 for completing i18n cleanup task * **UNASSIGNED** * contact to alex and siddhesh and ask for including patches in Fedora rawhide. * document the Unicode update process on i18n wiki. People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * pravins (133) * juhp (23) * tagoh_ (14) * paragan (10) * anish_ (10) * mfabian (9) * ueno (3) * zodbot (3) * shilpa (1) * fujiwarat (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot
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pravin.d.s@gmail.com | 20 Jan 08:46 2015
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i18n meeting reminder 2015/01/21 06:00:00 UTC

Hi All,

     We have scheduled i18n meeting tomorrow (21st Jan 2015) At 6.00UTC. Please go through the agenda [1] page.

   Looking forward to see you there. Feel free to add any missing topic :)

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pravin.d.s@gmail.com | 16 Jan 06:04 2015
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Minutes from Wed. i18n meeting to discuss change proposals for Fedora 22

Hi All,

  We had meeting on Wed. 14th Jan to discuss change proposals for Fedora 22. Following are minutes.
===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by pravins at 06:00:43 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-01-14/i18n.2015-01-14-06.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (pravins, 06:00:52) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-01-14 (pravins, 06:00:56) * Upcoming schedule (pravins, 06:02:13) * 2014-12-09 Fedora 21 Final Release (pravins, 06:02:18) * 2015-01-20 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) (pravins, 06:02:18) * no earlier than 2015-02-10 Branch Fedora 22 from Rawhide (pravins, 06:02:18) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/22/Schedule (juhp, 06:04:56) * New topics (pravins, 06:05:48) * #40: Fedora 22 planning (pravins) (pravins, 06:05:48) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/40 (pravins, 06:05:48) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit2_Odia_Telugu (pravins, 06:06:23) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/minglish (anish_, 06:07:09) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NewDefaultConsoleFont (pravins, 06:08:27) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/minglish (pravins, 06:08:32) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_Unicode_7 (pravins, 06:09:00) * #41: Need to check whether any F22 proposed change affect i18n (pravins) (pravins, 06:46:15) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/41 (pravins, 06:46:18) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RpmOstree (pravins, 06:46:36) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Default_Local_DNS_Resolver (pravins, 06:46:42) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SSHD_PermitRootLogin_no (pravins, 06:46:49) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Harden_all_packages_with_position-independent_code (pravins, 06:46:54) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Ruby_2.2 (pravins, 06:46:59) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F22Boost158 (pravins, 06:47:05) * Open Floor (pravins, 06:50:46) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_-_FAD (pravins, 06:55:18) Meeting ended at 07:04:41 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * pravins (114) * juhp (35) * anish_ (16) * epico (13) * paragan (7) * mfabian (6) * zodbot (3) * tagoh__ (3) * shilpa (1) * fujiwarat (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot
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pravin.d.s@gmail.com | 13 Jan 07:11 2015
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Irregular i18n meeting reminder 2015/01/14 06:00:00 UTC

Hi All,

     As discussed earlier we will be having meeting tomorrow(14th Jan). This meeting is specifically to make sure we are doing good from our proposed and planned changes for Fedora 22 and complete things in Change proposal deadline 20th Jan.

    As this is irregular meeting we have only two tickets to discuss, see Agenda . [1]

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pravin.d.s@gmail.com | 7 Jan 12:07 2015
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I18N meeting minutes 2015-01-07

Hi All,

  We had first meeting of 2015 today.

   Following are the meeting minutes:

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by pravins at 06:00:19 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-01-07/i18n.2015-01-07-06.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (pravins, 06:00:32) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2015-01-07 (pravins, 06:00:38) * Upcoming schedule (pravins, 06:02:46) * 2014-12-09 Fedora 21 Final Release (pravins, 06:02:52) * 2015-01-20 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) (pravins, 06:02:52) * no earlier than 2015-02-10 Branch Fedora 22 from Rawhide (pravins, 06:02:52) * Outstanding topic (pravins, 06:04:16) * #36: gnome redesign plans for control-center Region and Languages (i18n <at> lists.fedoraproject.org) (pravins, 06:04:20) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/36 (pravins, 06:04:20) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-January/206011.html (paragan, 06:08:21) * If we move the Indian layouts into /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.extras.xml (pravins, 06:11:16) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-January/206011.html (pravins, 06:12:03) * ACTION: anish_ will contact to whot for blacklisting xkb indian layouts in gnome (pravins, 06:13:54) * In long term we need to come up with definite list of deprecated/obscure layouts. (pravins, 06:16:26) * ACTION: paragan to create list of xkb layout available in Fedora. (pravins, 06:21:18) * Outstanding task (pravins, 06:23:13) * #35: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N cleanup (i18n <at> lists.fedoraproject.org) (pravins, 06:23:13) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/35 (pravins, 06:23:13) * LINK: http://piratepad.net/i18nchanges (pravins, 06:23:50) * will add Ibus page link to /i18n/InputMethod page. (pravins, 06:33:28) * New topics (pravins, 06:39:35) * #39: Bugs corner (pravins) (pravins, 06:39:35) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/39 (pravins, 06:39:35) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fonts-bugs/2015-January/027474.html (pravins, 06:40:33) * ACTION: search why fedora-packager was removed from epel5 (pravins, 06:45:18) * #40: Fedora 22 planning (pravins) (pravins, 06:48:33) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/40 (pravins, 06:48:33) * anish_ changing to self contained change name from devanglish to minglish (marathi). (pravins, 06:57:27) * ACTION: pravins to talk with siddhesh regarding Glibc_Unicode_7_0 change proposal. (pravins, 07:01:50) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ibus_devanglish (pravins, 07:02:40) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DnfLangpacksPlugin (pravins, 07:02:46) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Lohit2_Odia_Telugu (pravins, 07:02:56) * #41: Need to check whether any F22 proposed change affect i18n (pravins) (pravins, 07:03:36) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/41 (pravins, 07:03:36) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReplaceYumWithDNF (pravins, 07:04:06) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibinputForXorg (pravins, 07:04:54) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/wxPython3 (pravins, 07:05:53) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GHC_7.8 (pravins, 07:06:12) * not direct impact of LibinputForXorg change on i18n (pravins, 07:11:49) * New task (pravins, 07:11:52) * #42: Fedora 22 i18n test day (tagoh) (pravins, 07:11:52) * Open Floor (pravins, 07:19:50) Meeting ended at 07:23:33 UTC. Action Items ------------ * anish_ will contact to whot for blacklisting xkb indian layouts in gnome * paragan to create list of xkb layout available in Fedora. * search why fedora-packager was removed from epel5 * pravins to talk with siddhesh regarding Glibc_Unicode_7_0 change proposal. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * anish_ * anish_ will contact to whot for blacklisting xkb indian layouts in gnome * paragan * paragan to create list of xkb layout available in Fedora. * pravins * pravins to talk with siddhesh regarding Glibc_Unicode_7_0 change proposal. * **UNASSIGNED** * search why fedora-packager was removed from epel5 People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * pravins (131) * juhp (60) * anish_ (18) * paragan (13) * mfabian (9) * tagoh__ (6) * zodbot (3) * shilpa (1) * ueno (1) * fujiwarat (1) * epico (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot
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Bi-weekly i18n meeting reminder 2015/01/07 06:00:00 UTC

Hi All,
     We have scheduled i18n meeting tomorrow (07 Jan 2015) At 6.00UTC. Please go through agenda [1] page.



   


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Fedora Internationalization | 24 Dec 08:25 2014

#42: Fedora 22 i18n test day

#42: Fedora 22 i18n test day
--------------------+-------------------
  Reporter:  tagoh  |     Owner:  i18n <at> …
      Type:  task   |    Status:  new
  Priority:  major  |  Keywords:
Blocked By:         |  Blocking:
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 = description =
 Early open a ticket to keep things on track so that we are planning to
 move to the TestdayApp in this cycle. this is a good opportunity to clean
 up the test cases too.

 = reason =
 We ensure our supported languages are working fine on GA. so we all should
 join the test event and feedback to improve the release for i18n
 experience.

 = recommendation/goal =
 There should be some tasks to accomplish our test day event.

 1. Move to the TestdayApp for tracking the results.
 2. Clean up test cases to have efficient testing event.
 3. Update the test cases to match the latest behavior on a release.

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