i18n meeting summary (2013-05-16)

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#fedora-meeting: i18n
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Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:02:24 UTC. The full logs are available
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Meeting summary
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* agenda and roll call  (tagoh_, 06:02:25)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-05-16
    (tagoh_, 06:02:26)

* Upcoming schedule  (tagoh_, 06:07:46)
  * 2013-05-28        Beta Release  (tagoh_, 06:07:47)
  * 2013-06-18        Final Change Deadline  (tagoh_, 06:07:47)
  * 2013-07-02        Fedora 19 Final Release  (tagoh_, 06:07:47)

* Outstanding topic  (tagoh_, 06:10:42)
  * #19: gnu-free-fonts issue for Indic  (tagoh_, 06:10:42)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/19   (tagoh_, 06:10:43)

* Open Floor  (tagoh_, 06:16:26)

Meeting ended at 06:22:09 UTC.

Action Items
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Migrating console layouts to xkb

Hey, folks. This is a bit late, but I wanted to draw your attention to 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=837292 . The systemd folks 
and Vitezslav Crhonek are working on a plan to stop the insanity of 
having an entirely different set of keyboard layouts for consoles (kbd) 
and X (xkb).

The short-term plan is to replace the kbd layouts with a set of layouts 
that have been generated from the xkb layouts. There's a test package in 
comment #38:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=837292#c38

which Vitezslav was looking for some feedback on. I was hoping people on 
this list might be able to provide the feedback he wanted, and perhaps 
look at the changes in the package compared to the old kbd and see if 
you can see any issues with this approach.

Hopefully, once this is done, it will be a good solution to 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889562 for most languages: 
we will no longer have the cases where you pick an xkb layout in 
anaconda and systemd-localed can't find any matching kbd layout, so you 
just wind up with a US English layout on consoles.

I believe there's a long term plan by which we really wouldn't have 
different input systems at the console and X level any more, which would 
make things even more awesome, but I don't know how close we are to that.

I am trying in general to get on top of the whole massively complex 
thicket of locale and language settings - through the stack, from 
systemd to anaconda to desktops - to see if we can get all the 

Question about Vietnamese support in Fedora 19

Hello my friends,

In the last meeting [1], we discussed about setting ibus-bogo as the
default Vietnamese typing engine.
I would like to make this note and ask if I can do anything else to make
this happened?

[1] http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-05-02/i18n.2013-05-02-06.02.html

Kind regards,
Tuan
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Upstream release of system-config-language 1.3.6

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Re: Feedback on i18n test cases

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| 3. Input (language-specific): Didnt find the command to run the typing
| booster application.

Maybe I got the point. you may need to restart ibus and/or applications, or desktop session to enable it.
I've added a note to the general IM setup page.

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Re: Feedback on i18n test cases

Thank you for the feedback.

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| Few suggestions are listed down, which were found during the dry run of
| the i18n test cases:
| 
| 1. Each time after you do the testing, need to to come back to the test
| day page and then scroll down to go the Result section
| Suggestion: Provide the link for result page on each test case page and
| also link each result page to the test case page.
| ie. In the "Input (Overall) section, we have two test cases: QA:Testcase
| i18n ibus input and QA:Gnome Input Method Integration IBus.
| (i) Provide the link for the result page of Input (Overall) in these two
| test cases' page so that from tester perspective navigating between test
| case and result pages will be easier.

test cases are also used for updates in bodhi. so I think adding a link to the result page is not a good idea,
which is test day specific.

| (ii) Also can provide these two test cases' pages link in the
| Input(Overall) result page

Sure. that sounds reasonable.

| 
| 2. QA:Testcase ibus input: Found the instructions bit confusing and
| difficult to understand

Which one particularly? can you mention more details?

| 
| 3. Input (language-specific): Didnt find the command to run the typing
| booster application.

the command?

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Fwd: Feedback on i18n test cases

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Feedback on i18n test cases
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:33:01 +0530
From: Ani Peter <apeter <at> redhat.com>
Reply-To: Fedora Language Testing Group <fltg <at> lists.fedoraproject.org>
Organization: Red Hat
To: Fedora Language Testing Group <fltg <at> lists.fedoraproject.org>

Few suggestions are listed down, which were found during the dry run of
the i18n test cases:

1. Each time after you do the testing, need to to come back to the test
day page and then scroll down to go the Result section
Suggestion: Provide the link for result page on each test case page and
also link each result page to the test case page.
ie. In the "Input (Overall) section, we have two test cases: QA:Testcase
i18n ibus input and QA:Gnome Input Method Integration IBus.
(i) Provide the link for the result page of Input (Overall) in these two
test cases' page so that from tester perspective navigating between test
case and result pages will be easier.
(ii) Also can provide these two test cases' pages link in the
Input(Overall) result page

2. QA:Testcase ibus input: Found the instructions bit confusing and
difficult to understand

3. Input (language-specific): Didnt find the command to run the typing
booster application.

Thanks
Ani
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i18n meeting summary (2013-04-25)

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Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:03:09 UTC. The full logs are available
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Meeting summary
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* agenda and roll call  (tagoh_, 06:03:10)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-04-25
    (tagoh_, 06:03:11)

* Upcoming schedule  (tagoh_, 06:06:02)
  * 2013-05-02        Test_Day:2013-05-02_Localization_(i18n)  (tagoh_,
    06:06:02)
  * 2013-05-06        Wiki Freeze: Beta Release Notes  (tagoh_,
    06:06:03)
  * 2013-05-07        Software Translation Deadline  (tagoh_, 06:06:03)
  * 2013-05-14        Beta Change Deadline  (tagoh_, 06:06:03)
  * 2013-05-14        Features 100% Complete  (tagoh_, 06:06:04)
  * 2013-05-28        Beta Release  (tagoh_, 06:06:05)

* Outstanding topics  (tagoh_, 06:07:51)
  * #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day (tagoh)  (tagoh_,
    06:07:51)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/16   (tagoh_, 06:07:52)
  * #18: F19 i18n docbeats (tagoh)  (tagoh_, 06:38:55)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/18   (tagoh_, 06:38:55)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Documentation_I18n_Beat
    (tagoh_, 06:39:12)

* New topic  (tagoh_, 07:10:05)
  * #19: gnu-free-fonts issue for Indic (aalam)  (tagoh_, 07:10:05)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/19   (tagoh_, 07:10:06)

* Open Floor  (tagoh_, 07:45:49)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=607419   (tagoh_,
    07:59:23)

Meeting ended at 08:04:35 UTC.

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#19: gnu-free-fonts issue for Indic

#19: gnu-free-fonts issue for Indic
----------------------+-------------------
  Reporter:  aalam    |     Owner:  i18n <at> …
      Type:  meeting  |    Status:  new
  Priority:  major    |  Keywords:
Blocked By:           |  Blocking:
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 = phenomenon =
 gnu-free-fonts rendering for Devanagri is broken and Bug related to
 priority for this is already fixed by pravin (bug 918478), but still Gnu-
 free fonts creating issue for Indic desktop.

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Update test cases by today

Hi,

As I sometimes remind you at our meeting, today is the due
date to update test cases for i18n test day. please revisit
there and check if it keeps up-to-date, which you are
responsible for.

Thanks,

future of system-config-language with gnome

Hi
I was looking following bug and want do we need to add more languages in s-c-l

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=954124

gnome-control-center has ability to switch System language (Fedora 19),  now
- Does latest anaconda use s-c-language (or any relation with it or require)?
- Does it required to change system language (my system didn't have
any /etc/sysconf/i18n file) (with gnome)
- Does s-c-l only require with other than Gnome DEs? (case like ibus)

if it is required then do we need to add test s-c-l for i18n test day
[2]? with Translation test day this application was provided to test.

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[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SystemConfig/language
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-02_Localization_%28i18n%29
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