Pete Travis | 1 Nov 01:55 2011

Re: SL6 to F16??


On Oct 31, 2011 2:58 PM, "Joe Zeff" <joe <at> zeff.us> wrote:
>
> On 10/31/2011 01:06 PM, Beartooth wrote:
> >       But something is still wrong. It gets part way through booting,
> > then gives me an error box saying it failed to load session "gdm-shell"
> > and a Log Out button. Clicking the button just takes you back to the same
> > error box.
>
> It sounds as though you don't have a display manager installed to handle
> logging in.  Try going to an alternate tty with Ctrl-F2, logging in and
> running startx.  If that works, try installing gdm, logging out and
> rebooting.
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You might also want to verify the files you restored to /home are properly owned.  I don't recall how SL behaves offhand, but with F16 UIDs started at 1000 instead of 500 as in the past. A simple "chown -R user /home/user " should take care of any permissions problems migration might lead to.

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Michael D. Berger | 1 Nov 02:20 2011
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localhost udp bind: address in use

I have some complex multi-thread C++ code in which I do
some internal signaling with udp sockets:
snd: 127.0.0.1:6501
rcv: 127.0.0.1:6502

On my new F15_64 box, I usually get:
errno=98=Address already in use
in response to the bind command when I bring up the snd
socket (which is first up) even when I just come up from
power off.

Rarely, it works. I have no idea why.

If I ignore the 98 error, I get a write error on the socket.

Even when it fails,
netstat -uap
shows the socket, which is not a surprise, and it
is not there when the program is not up.

Now on my old CentOS 5_32 box, the same code
(but, of course, compiled for 32) works with no
problem. I can start and stop it rapidly with no
problem.

Thanks for your suggestions.
Mike. 
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Christopher K. Johnson | 1 Nov 03:25 2011
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Re: localhost udp bind: address in use

Is ipv6 enabled?

Any chance it is binding to loopback using an ipv6 loopback address, and 
then finding it is already bound using the ipv4 equivalent?

On 10/31/2011 09:20 PM, Michael D. Berger wrote:
> I have some complex multi-thread C++ code in which I do
> some internal signaling with udp sockets:
> snd: 127.0.0.1:6501
> rcv: 127.0.0.1:6502
>
> On my new F15_64 box, I usually get:
> errno=98=Address already in use
> in response to the bind command when I bring up the snd
> socket (which is first up) even when I just come up from
> power off.
>
> Rarely, it works. I have no idea why.
>
> If I ignore the 98 error, I get a write error on the socket.
>
> Even when it fails,
> netstat -uap
> shows the socket, which is not a surprise, and it
> is not there when the program is not up.
>
> Now on my old CentOS 5_32 box, the same code
> (but, of course, compiled for 32) works with no
> problem. I can start and stop it rapidly with no
> problem.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions.
> Mike.
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>
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Gary Stainburn | 1 Nov 08:49 2011
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pppd over ssl worked until dreytek ADSL / broadband added to the mix

Hi folks.

I've set up another Fedora box as a VPN gateway.  Working locally on the LAN 
everything worked fine. However, I've just installed it now at a remote site 
using that site's Dreytek Vigor ADSL router over a BT broadband and now I 
have a problem with the pppd connection constantly dropping / raising.

The pppd link is raised using the following:

/usr/sbin/pppd updetach noauth passive \
    pty "ssh $HOST -P -o Batchmode=yes /usr/sbin/pppd nodetach notty noauth" \
    $LocIP:$RemIP

Which worked before and still does. However, as the /var/log/messages extract 
shows, there is definitely a problem.

Can anyone suggest what I need to do to fix it.

Gary

Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: Warning: can't open options file /root/.ppprc: 
Permission denied
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: Using interface ppp1
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/1
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: Modem hangup
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: Connection terminated.
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma avahi-daemon[1050]: Withdrawing workstation service for 
ppp1.
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: Exit.
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: Warning: can't open options file /root/.ppprc: 
Permission denied
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: Using interface ppp1
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/1
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: Modem hangup
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: Connection terminated.
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma avahi-daemon[1050]: Withdrawing workstation service for 
ppp1.
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: Exit.
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5513]: Warning: can't open options file /root/.ppprc: 
Permission denied
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5513]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5513]: Using interface ppp1
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5513]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/1
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5513]: Modem hangup
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5513]: Connection terminated.
Oct 31 23:25:47 sma avahi-daemon[1050]: Withdrawing workstation service for 
ppp1.
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5513]: Exit.
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: Warning: can't open options file /root/.ppprc: 
Permission denied
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: Using interface ppp1
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/1
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: Modem hangup
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: Connection terminated.
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma avahi-daemon[1050]: Withdrawing workstation service for 
ppp1.
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: Exit.
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: Warning: can't open options file /root/.ppprc: 
Permission denied
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: Using interface ppp1
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/1
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: Modem hangup
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: Connection terminated.
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma avahi-daemon[1050]: Withdrawing workstation service for 
ppp1.
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: Exit.
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5564]: Warning: can't open options file /root/.ppprc: 
Permission denied
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5564]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5564]: Using interface ppp1
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5564]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/1
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5564]: Modem hangup
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5564]: Connection terminated.
Oct 31 23:25:48 sma avahi-daemon[1050]: Withdrawing workstation service for 
ppp1.

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Gary Stainburn | 1 Nov 09:40 2011
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Re: pppd over ssl worked until dreytek ADSL / broadband added to the mix

Morning all,

Forget this. The problem was that the vpn-up script was constantly trying to 
start the VPN even though it was already up. The log entries showed each 
attempt start and then finish.

Gary

On Tuesday 01 November 2011 07:49:30 Gary Stainburn wrote:
> Hi folks.
>
> I've set up another Fedora box as a VPN gateway.  Working locally on the
> LAN everything worked fine. However, I've just installed it now at a remote
> site using that site's Dreytek Vigor ADSL router over a BT broadband and
> now I have a problem with the pppd connection constantly dropping /
> raising.
>
> The pppd link is raised using the following:
>
> /usr/sbin/pppd updetach noauth passive \
>     pty "ssh $HOST -P -o Batchmode=yes /usr/sbin/pppd nodetach notty
> noauth" \ $LocIP:$RemIP
>
> Which worked before and still does. However, as the /var/log/messages
> extract shows, there is definitely a problem.
>
> Can anyone suggest what I need to do to fix it.
>
> Gary
>
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: Warning: can't open options file
> /root/.ppprc: Permission denied
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: Using interface ppp1
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/1
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: Modem hangup
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: Connection terminated.
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma avahi-daemon[1050]: Withdrawing workstation service for
> ppp1.
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5479]: Exit.
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: Warning: can't open options file
> /root/.ppprc: Permission denied
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: Using interface ppp1
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/1
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: Modem hangup
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: Connection terminated.
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma avahi-daemon[1050]: Withdrawing workstation service for
> ppp1.
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5496]: Exit.
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5513]: Warning: can't open options file
> /root/.ppprc: Permission denied
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5513]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5513]: Using interface ppp1
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5513]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/1
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5513]: Modem hangup
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma pppd[5513]: Connection terminated.
> Oct 31 23:25:47 sma avahi-daemon[1050]: Withdrawing workstation service for
> ppp1.
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5513]: Exit.
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: Warning: can't open options file
> /root/.ppprc: Permission denied
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: Using interface ppp1
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/1
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: Modem hangup
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: Connection terminated.
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma avahi-daemon[1050]: Withdrawing workstation service for
> ppp1.
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5530]: Exit.
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: Warning: can't open options file
> /root/.ppprc: Permission denied
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: Using interface ppp1
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/1
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: Modem hangup
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: Connection terminated.
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma avahi-daemon[1050]: Withdrawing workstation service for
> ppp1.
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5547]: Exit.
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5564]: Warning: can't open options file
> /root/.ppprc: Permission denied
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5564]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5564]: Using interface ppp1
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5564]: Connect: ppp1 <--> /dev/pts/1
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5564]: Modem hangup
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma pppd[5564]: Connection terminated.
> Oct 31 23:25:48 sma avahi-daemon[1050]: Withdrawing workstation service for
> ppp1.
>
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Abu Attar Musharih | 1 Nov 10:11 2011
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Constructing Grid on Fedora

Dear List,

I have a cluster of several PCs, each is running Fedora, either 14 or 15.
I want to make this PCs grid enabled, so I installed globus  (
http://www.globus.org/ )  and made a server with a global IP and with
a subdomain. My main objective is to be able to run parallel
programming (mpi), harnessing the idle CPUs of onlines nodes.

The stage at a moment, I have successfully  set up  simple-CA and the
GSI of the server.

Globus commands works fine, for example:

++++
$ globus-hostname-lookup fedora.org
Resolving address (fedora.org)...
-------------------------------
Numeric address: 67.40.49.xxx
Expected DN suffix: /CN=host/hoxx.trippy.org
++++

$ grid-proxy-init
Your identity: /O=Grid/OU=GlobusTest/OU=simpleCA-localhost.localdomain/OU=localdomain/CN=
Abu Attar
Enter GRID pass phrase for this identity:
Creating proxy ............................................ Done
Your proxy is valid until: Wed Nov  2 05:01:04 2011

++++++

I tried but failed to copy a file from one node to a server.

$ globus-url-copy file:///home/username/Grid/Codes/cpi.c gsiftp://domainname/

The message is as follows,

error: globus_xio: Unable to connect to domainname:2811
globus_xio: System error in connect: No route to host
globus_xio: A system call failed: No route to host

It seems something to do with the port 2811.  Checking  /etc/services
of the server gave the port number and the protocol
++++
root$ less /etc/services | grep gsi

gsigatekeeper   2119/udp                # GSIGATEKEEPER
gsiftp          2811/tcp                # GSI FTP
gsiftp          2811/udp                # GSI FTP
gsidcap         22128/tcp               # GSI dCache Access Protocol
++++

As I do not have any experience, I have no idea how to fix it.
I mainly rely on internet searching, but still can  not find the  answer.

I expect  from this list some  suggestions or any comment.
Thank you very much  in advance.

with best,
AA
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Michael D. Berger | 1 Nov 14:40 2011
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RE: localhost udp bind: address in use

> -----Original Message-----
> From: users-bounces <at> lists.fedoraproject.org 
> [mailto:users-bounces <at> lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of 
> Christopher K. Johnson
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 22:25
> To: Community support for Fedora users
> Subject: Re: localhost udp bind: address in use
> 
> Is ipv6 enabled?
> 
> Any chance it is binding to loopback using an ipv6 loopback 
> address, and then finding it is already bound using the ipv4 
> equivalent?
> 
> 
[...}

I disabled ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/ and verified gone with:
   lsmod | grep -i v6
but the problem is not fixed.

Thanks,
Mike.

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Joachim Backes | 1 Nov 15:02 2011
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Re: Constructing Grid on Fedora

On 11/01/2011 10:11 AM, Abu Attar Musharih wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> I have a cluster of several PCs, each is running Fedora, either 14 or 15.
> I want to make this PCs grid enabled, so I installed globus  (
> http://www.globus.org/ )  and made a server with a global IP and with
> a subdomain. My main objective is to be able to run parallel
> programming (mpi), harnessing the idle CPUs of onlines nodes.

Hi Abu Attar Musharih,

First of all, I don't think that a grid is the right instrument for
running processes using a MPI model (this is more thread based, or, if
using a cluster, based on a  RPC model for example). Or look at
*www.mosix.org*.

For cluster software, you could use Scientific linux or Rocks Clusters
Linux. I made good experience in managing a cluster with Rocks Clusters
Linux, based on CentOS (www.rocksclusters.org).

Additionally, in my opinion, the Fedora user list is not really a good
contact for your grid question. I'm sure there is a appropriate Q&A page
at globus.org (the messages listed below are not system specific enough)
- it seems to be a middleware problem.

Kind regards

Joachim Backes
> 
> The stage at a moment, I have successfully  set up  simple-CA and the
> GSI of the server.
> 
> Globus commands works fine, for example:
> 
> ++++
> $ globus-hostname-lookup fedora.org
> Resolving address (fedora.org)...
> -------------------------------
> Numeric address: 67.40.49.xxx
> Expected DN suffix: /CN=host/hoxx.trippy.org
> ++++
> 
> $ grid-proxy-init
> Your identity: /O=Grid/OU=GlobusTest/OU=simpleCA-localhost.localdomain/OU=localdomain/CN=
> Abu Attar
> Enter GRID pass phrase for this identity:
> Creating proxy ............................................ Done
> Your proxy is valid until: Wed Nov  2 05:01:04 2011
> 
> ++++++
> 
> I tried but failed to copy a file from one node to a server.
> 
> $ globus-url-copy file:///home/username/Grid/Codes/cpi.c gsiftp://domainname/
> 
> The message is as follows,
> 
> error: globus_xio: Unable to connect to domainname:2811
> globus_xio: System error in connect: No route to host
> globus_xio: A system call failed: No route to host
> 
> It seems something to do with the port 2811.  Checking  /etc/services
> of the server gave the port number and the protocol
> ++++
> root$ less /etc/services | grep gsi
> 
> gsigatekeeper   2119/udp                # GSIGATEKEEPER
> gsiftp          2811/tcp                # GSI FTP
> gsiftp          2811/udp                # GSI FTP
> gsidcap         22128/tcp               # GSI dCache Access Protocol
> ++++
> 
> As I do not have any experience, I have no idea how to fix it.
> I mainly rely on internet searching, but still can  not find the  answer.
> 
> I expect  from this list some  suggestions or any comment.
> Thank you very much  in advance.
> 
> with best,
> AA

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Marko Vojinovic | 1 Nov 15:18 2011
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Re: Constructing Grid on Fedora

On Tuesday 01 November 2011 09:11:01 Abu Attar Musharih wrote:
> I have a cluster of several PCs, each is running Fedora, either 14 or 15.
> I want to make this PCs grid enabled, so I installed globus  (
> http://www.globus.org/ )  and made a server with a global IP and with
> a subdomain. My main objective is to be able to run parallel
> programming (mpi), harnessing the idle CPUs of onlines nodes.

Depending on what you actually want to do, globus may or may not be the right 
tool for the job. What exactly do you want to do, for what purpose, and what 
is your hardware setup?

> I tried but failed to copy a file from one node to a server.
> 
> $ globus-url-copy file:///home/username/Grid/Codes/cpi.c
> gsiftp://domainname/
> 
> The message is as follows,
> 
> error: globus_xio: Unable to connect to domainname:2811
> globus_xio: System error in connect: No route to host
> globus_xio: A system call failed: No route to host
> 
> It seems something to do with the port 2811.

This can be a number of things. However, in globus deployment (especially if 
you are doing it for the first time), the *number* *one* culprit is always the 
firewall. Globus uses *a* *lot* of custom ports, and it expects all of them to 
be available.

So, as a first step (and for testing purposes only!!!) take down the firewall on 
both machines (the client and the server), as

# service iptables stop

and retry the gsiftp. Be aware that shutting down the firewall is VERY 
DANGEOROUS and should be brought back up as soon as possible. However, when 
debugging Globus, it is the only reasonable way to check what is wrong.

If gsiftp is successful with firewall down, then do some research on what ports 
you need to open up and customize your firewall config. Expect to spend 
considerable time on that, since the config will be very, very custom. :-)

If it isn't the firewall, then there is something wrong with some part of your 
globus installation. It can be a number of things.

You are better off asking on one of the globus support mailing lists (I am not 
actively following any of those anymore, so cannot point you exactly). I doubt 
you will find many people with Globus experience on the Fedora list. ;-)

HTH, :-)
Marko

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Beartooth | 1 Nov 16:43 2011
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SUCCESS! Re: SL6 to F16??

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:30:24 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:

> On 31/10/11 17:01, Beartooth wrote:

>> 	How do I remind it to boot to xfce instead of gnome??

>         Try startxfce4 or startxfce ...

	Plain startxfce just got "command not found" -- but startxfce4 
hit the jackpot. I'm on the machine, and have copied a couple of my home 
folders to it (such as .pan2 in order to post).

	One small snag, new to me: I plugged the external drive onto 
which I had copied /home back into the USB port. It shows the various 
partitions on that drive, but neither automounts them nor lets me mount 
them. What have I done wrong?

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