Joe Zeff | 1 Aug 01:10 2011
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Re: Progress?

On 07/31/2011 03:59 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
> Give us back the assurance of never having to reboot.

Running F 14 and only rebooting for kernel updates:

[joe <at> khorlia Desktop]$ uptime
  16:09:36 up 46 days, 23:29,  2 users,  load average: 1.02, 0.84, 0.83

Can anybody running F 15 match that?
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Patrick Lists | 1 Aug 01:34 2011
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Re: Progress?

On 08/01/2011 12:59 AM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
> With the advent of Fedora 15 we have lost features that have been the
> bedrock of a reliable system - all the name of "progress".
> Here are my pleas to the Fedora development team:
>
> Give us back a single entry of LUKS passphrase for all filesystems.

I have a single passphrase for the encrypted root fs and encrypted swap 
on a laptop with F15.

> Give us back an intelligible display of boot progress.

Boot with norhgb noquiet nomodeset or something like that. Google is 
your friend.

> Give us back kernels that don't abort instead of an abrt reporting
> system.

Maybe you should use RHEL or CentOS. Fedora has pretty cutting edge 
kernels that are bound to have bugs. Be realistic in your expectations. 
And the abrt system helps developers learn about the bugs in the kernel 
so they can be fixed. Would you rather have a kernel with more bugs or 
less bugs?

> Give us back the assurance of never having to reboot.

Kernel updates that fix exploits & bugs require a reboot to activate 
that new kernel. Alternatively you could get Oracle's ksplice service 
while you can. Even RHEL/CentOS occasionally get new kernels which 
require a reboot. I have never come across an Internet facing box that 
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Tom H | 1 Aug 02:20 2011
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Re: Progress?

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 6:59 PM, David A. De Graaf <dad <at> datix.us> wrote:

> Give us back an intelligible display of boot progress.

What's wrong with removing "quiet" and "rhgb" from the "kernel" line?

> Give us back a simple way to see what services are running, started,
> and failed in a concise format.

File an RFE bug against systemctl for whatever functionality you think
is missing.

> Give us back the mount command - that shows only the actual physical
> filesystems that are mounted - in a readable format.

"lsblk" and "findmnt" are your friends.

> Give us back a humanly comprehensible device naming system.

If you mean device names of NICs, you can uninstall biosdevname and
have them named ethX again.

> Give us back the reboot command that doesn't hang the system, along with
> informative progress status reports.

> Give us back nfs and autofs that work, and which can shutdown if network
> connectivity has failed.

If you've encountered bugs in the latter two points, have you filed bug reports?
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Tom H | 1 Aug 02:29 2011
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Re: Network scripts question -

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Aaron Konstam <akonstam <at> sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-07-31 at 15:36 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
>>
>> I have two F-15 computers. Box6 has the following files while box9
>> has only /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo, both are using
>> NetworkManager.
>>
>>         [bobg <at> box6 ~]$ ll /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*
>>
>>         -rw-r--r--. 3 root root 577 Jun 22 18:16
>>         /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
>>         -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 254 Apr 27 13:17
>>         /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-lo
>>         -rw-r--r--. 3 root root 577 Jun 22 18:16
>>         /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-p2p1
>>
>>     I can ssh from box6 to box9 but not from box9 to box6. Either one
>>     will ping the other, stopping the fire wall does not have any effect.
>
> The ifcfg-lo is for local self-conection so it is understandable that
> box9 can't reach box6.
>
> You will have to create ifcfg-eth1  if you have a wired connection.
> Mine looks something like this:
> DEVICE="eth1"
> HWADDR="00:14:22:2A:3B:FE"
> BOOTPROTO="dhcp"
> ONBOOT="yes"
> NM_CONTROLLED="yes"

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Steven F. LeBrun | 1 Aug 02:52 2011

F15: Second monitor not detected after booting finishes

When Fedora 15 [x86_64] is booting on my laptop, it starts on the laptop screen, then it throws the startup splash screen on my second monitor.  When it finishes booting, it no longer can detect the second monitor.

Why can Fedora 15 see both monitors, laptop screen and external monitor, during the boot process then when finished booting can no longer detect second external monitor.  Is this a problem with the kernel, modules, drivers, desktop, hardware?

I have tried connecting the external monitor directly to the laptop with an HDMI connector and through an USB Docking Station using DVI.

OS:             Fedora 15 x86_64
Kernel:        2.6.38-35.fc15.x86_64
Desktop:    Gnome 3.0.1
System:      Dell XPS 15R (i5-2410M CPU <at> 2.30GHz x 4)
Graphics:    Intel Sandybridge Mobile
Memory:     8 GB


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Bob Goodwin | 1 Aug 03:04 2011
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Re: Network scripts question -

On 31/07/11 20:29, Tom H wrote:
> I have one VM on my laptop and two dev boxes - all serving out sshd,
> nfsd, and smbd - on which NM's running with only an ifcfg-lo file.
>
> Furthermore, since the boxes can ping each other and there's one-way
> ssh access, the presence/absence of an ifcfg-* file isn't issue.
>
> I'd focus on troubleshooting sshd on box6.

    I'm not sure how to troubleshoot ssh. The path between the two
    computers is wired, through a Netgear gigabit switch which also
    connects the NFS server, a printer, and the wireless access device.
    The ethernet stuff all seems to work. I've been considering
    switching ports around to get box 6 on a different port ... If it's
    the switch I will have to get another one since I need all the
    ports. Box6 has a gigabit NIC, I could try the slower port on the
    motherboard. But that's assuming a hardware problem which seems
    improbable, though possible.

    Thoughts and suggestions appreciated.

    Bob

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Frantisek Hanzlik | 1 Aug 03:51 2011
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package (tinyca2) not longer present in F15, what to do about it?

For years before and up to F14 Fedora was contained package 'tinyca2'
(TinyCA is a graphical tool to manage a small Certification Authority,
program was in group Applications/Internet).
This package is missing in F15, Technical Notes not mention nothing
about this:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/15/html/Technical_Notes/index.html

I was using it for years and it's IMO usefull program for anyone who
works with certificates. For now I simple build this package for F15
from its F14 SRPMS, but it would be better when this package was in Fedora
distro again.

What I can do for it?

Thanks, Franta Hanzlik
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Reindl Harald | 1 Aug 01:43 2011
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Re: Progress?


Am 01.08.2011 01:34, schrieb Patrick Lists:
>> Give us back an intelligible display of boot progress.
> 
> Boot with norhgb noquiet nomodeset or something like that. Google is 
> your friend.

this does not change the missing OK / FAILED in red/green
this time you have a big text-desert at boot

the same for "systemctl start/stop/restart"
no feedback, nothing -> usability dehraded

the missing fsck-prigress on boot hurts much if you
are on lights out managment or VMware-Console where
you can not image if the systm hangs of does fsck

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Bruno Wolff III | 1 Aug 04:48 2011
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Re: Progress?

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 18:59:29 -0400,
  "David A. De Graaf" <dad <at> datix.us> wrote:
> 
> Give us back a single entry of LUKS passphrase for all filesystems.

Having to sometimes enter your password twice is a bug, not an intentional
design.
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Bruno Wolff III | 1 Aug 04:51 2011
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Re: package (tinyca2) not longer present in F15, what to do about it?

On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 03:51:38 +0200,
  Frantisek Hanzlik <franta <at> hanzlici.cz> wrote:
> 
> I was using it for years and it's IMO usefull program for anyone who
> works with certificates. For now I simple build this package for F15
> from its F14 SRPMS, but it would be better when this package was in Fedora
> distro again.
> 
> What I can do for it?

One option is covered at:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join
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