Fedora Elections Guide - ...---... (SOS)

Hi folks,

I just made a post to fedora-marketing-list inviting interested people
into helping write some fresh content for the Fedora Elections Guide, a
draft I did a few months back can be seen at
http://nigelj.fedorapeople.org/feg/ but it'll need a lot of updating
(that I don't have time for) with the new release I'm working on.

I'll be putting the Fedora branding on (so where it does GFDL, I'll
relicense it as OPL) and throw up the XML sometime soon.  But in the
mean time, anyone interested?

It'll be about a week before there is anything new to write about, but
it's a start.

- Nigel
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fedora-wiki-list?

Nigel proposed today that we form a separate list for wiki-focused
discussions.

Much as I hate promoting list proliferation, these reasons make sense:

* Cross-section of many Fedora groups that could use a low(er) volume,
wiki-only list for:  guidelines; usage; new tools; tips; wiki-specific
decisions that affect all projects; etc.

* These same people (packagers, artists, translators, coders,
ambassadors, etc.) don't want nor need to be subscribed to
fedora-docs-list to get this information.

* Especially as we talk about multi-lingual wikis and the complexity
increases, we could use a stand-alone list for discussion.

Thoughts?

+1 or -1 or 0?

cheers - Karsten
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Footnoteable Wiki

Hi Everyone,

The Fedora Orbital Laser[1] has cooled down enough to allow us to work
on getting Footnotes[2] in the wiki[3].

There is some excellent documentation[4] on the Mediawiki website on how
to use them if you have not in the past.

Thank you for bearing through this announcement[5],

Nigel Jones[6]

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[1]
http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-announce-list <at> redhat.com/msg01140.html
[2] Not to be mistaken with 'Foodnotes'
[3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/
[4] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php#Usage
[5] I use too many footnotes eh?

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Self-Introduction: A. Mani

Hello All,
                 My name is A. Mani. I am a Mathematician and a logician.
My research interests are in Algebra, Partial Algebra, Logic, Rough
Sets and Foundations of Mathematics.

I am good in specifications, formal specifications, R, Prolog, Scheme, LaTeX and
scientific computing too. This has led to a few part-time projects
during the last few years.

I have been involved in FLOSS and OSS promotion for over six years
and see a very bright future for the Fedora project. I coordinate the
activities of ILUG-CALINFO
(www.ilug-cal.info) and am active at LQ too.

I would like to improve existing documentation and contribute to
specialized sections.

My wiki page is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:amani
My homepage is at http://amani.topcities.com

I am a Fedora Ambassador too.

Best

A. Mani

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publishing documentation in Fedora

Hi,

Two questions:

1. Is there any documentation on the procedure for having
documentation published in Fedora, for example, hosted on
<http://docs.fedoraproject.org/>?

2. To get documentation in there, do I have to use the fedora-docs
toolchain to make the RPMs?

Cheers.

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Re: [Ambassadors] Special visitors at the upcoming NA Ambassadors meetings

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Francesco Ugolini
<fugolini <at> fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> 2008/10/3 David Nalley <david <at> gnsa.us>:
>> The NA Ambassadors meetings will have visitors over the next few
>> weeks. These visitors will be representatives from other projects
>> within Fedora. The will attempt to educate us on the specific 'Join'
>> process for their project as well as tasks they have that are suited
>> for new users. Since one of the purposes of the Ambassador project is
>> to recruit and foster new contributors we figured that we at least
>> need to be familiar with the quirks for those projects.
>>
>> The first will be Máirín Duffy (mizmo) from the Art team at the
>> October 7 meeting at 2100 EDT (October 8, 0100 UTC) in #fedora-meeting
>>
>> We already have Docs and QA/Bug Triaging lined up as well, and we will
>> get others lined up in the coming weeks.

I'm confirming docs for October 21.  Karsten Wade (and possibly
others) will be along to help us see the vision for the Docs project.
As far as urls go and our homework for Monday Oct 20:

Please Read
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject

To get more information for this group.

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Outage Notification - 2008-10-05 07:00 UTC

There will be an outage starting at 2008-10-05 07:00 UTC, which will last
approximately 2 hours.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto
or run:

date -d '2008-10-05 07:00 UTC'

Affected Services:

Buildsystem
CVS / Source Control
Database
DNS
Fedora Hosted
Fedora People
Fedora Talk
Mail
Mirror System
Torrent
Websites

Unaffected Services:

All

Ticket Link:

https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/875

F10 Schedule Revised

I have published updated schedules based on the great gobby editing 
sessions we had this week with the Documentation and Translation teams. 
  Note each schedule only shows the tasks for that specific team... we 
can adjust this if that is confusing:

http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-docs-tasks.html
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-trans-tasks.html

For a view of all combined tasks for all teams:
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-all-tasks.html

As I mentioned during the Documentation session, I hope this process 
isn't too frustrating.  I think it will take a few iterations to make 
sure we are all using and understanding the same terminology.  There is 
probably still some work to be done around the 0-day tasks as someone 
pointed out on the translation list.

So next I'm proposing that both Documentation and Translation meet on 
gobby and if possible fedora talk (for audio conversation) next week to 
work out the remaining points of difference and confusion :)

Thanks again for your patience and I hope this process is helpful.

John

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A New Look at How We Write Content for the Desktop User Guide

Hello All,

I am a fairly new contributor to Fedora-Docs, and a <1 year Linux user.
My background is predominantly writing, so I approach the documentation
more from a literary stand point than a heavily entrenched computer
user. If anything, I'm a good example of the type of person you are
looking to convert from proprietary software to open source. 

I took a hard look at the Desktop Users Guide F9, specifically the page
giving instructions to install financial software. First, there was a
large issue with the content-- the instructions simply would not work
for a new user with Fedora 9. Second, the instructions were not clear
for a brand new user to Linux.  

After finishing the content change, and major style changes to the
Financial Software page, I deconstructed the changes and differences so
others may learn from them, and contribute their own ideas and
experiences. Yes, we are writing documentation for free, but we have an
opportunity here as open source enthusiasts to use our piece of the
project at large to further the cause and acceptance of Fedora as an
operating system. These suggestions below are only for the Desktop Users
Guide, the specialized guide for new users of Fedora, presumably coming
from Windows, without Linux experience.

For discussion purposes, this is the old page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Financial 

This is the new and improved page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide-Financial_Software 

Wiki-to-XML for F10

As of last night's scheduling exercise, we have 09 October as the point
we need to make some kind of XML come out of the wiki.

Before we converted to MediaWiki, Mike McGrath had heavily customized a
script for Docs to use in converting, and the output was as good as we
had from Moin.  That is our fallback position.

Can someone point me at the proper combinations of what to see if I can
use the python-wmlib and etc.?  Between Paul, Ian, and Mike lie those
answers, I think.

cheers - Karsten, who wants something to schedule!
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Re: version comparison guidance (was Re: self introduction and rel notes advice)

----- "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" <kwade <at> redhat.com> wrote:
> In general, the marketing approach is to talk about GA to GA.  For
> documentation, I could see arguments either way.
> 
> Dale - great question!  Let's hash it out on list, set the guidance,
> and
> then you'll know.

It seems to me that release notes are strong marketing pieces, and are inherently documentation. For
prudent people the release notes are often the the first thing they consult before upgrading, or taking
the time to evaluate software through installation.

Describing the differences using the previous release notes gives one an apples to apples comparison.
Also, assume F9 released with v1.0 of a pkg. Through updates it is now at v1.9. If F10 releases with v1.9, or
even v2.0. Do you not describe all those enhancements between .0 and .9? I'd think those features would be
worth bragging about in the rel notes.

That's basically how I came to the question. F9 has seen a few upgrades of libvirt with many feature
enhancements from v0.4.2 up to 0.4.6 currently. I think describing the delta from 0.4.2 to the F10 version
(0.4.6? 0.4.7?) is the only useful way to do it.

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