Björn Persson | 1 Jun 02:07 2009
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Re: Agenda for the 2009-05-26 Packaging Committee meeting

Jesse Keating wrote:
> Conceivably though you can have a scenario where if a suggested package
> is present, you'll want to make use of it in the %pre section of the
> suggesting package, and fail gracefully if it isn't there.  So Suggests:
> isn't enough, you'd need to order it so that if you choose to install
> the suggestion, it gets installed prior to the suggesting package, hence
> Suggests(post).

You have to handle the situation where the user installs package A and then 
two months later installs package B. You also have to handle the situation 
where the user installs B and then later installs A. This is true for any two 
packages A and B as long as none of them has a hard requirement on the other.

It seems to me that once you handle both of those cases correctly, it doesn't 
matter which order RPM chooses when the user installs both packages at once.

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Oisin Feeley | 1 Jun 03:04 2009
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Pasi Kärkkäinen | 1 Jun 07:15 2009
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F11: kernel/boot hangs at creating initial device nodes with 2.6.30-rc6

Hello.

Yesterday I installed latest F11/rawhide. The default installed kernel
(2.6.29 something) works fine. 

I compiled custom 2.6.30-rc6 kernel, and created initrd for it, and tried
booting it. 

Booting process gets stuck at "creating initial device nodes". 

Any ideas? I assume that's during initrd execution.. 
Something missing from my kernel config? 

Any tips would be appreciated. 
Thanks!

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Bernie Innocenti | 1 Jun 07:32 2009

Unbootable machine

Hello Peter & Jeremy,

I've found an ordinary desktop PC (with Phoenix Award BIOS 6.00PG) that
won't boot off a USB stick created by livecd-tools-024 with syslinux
(tested both versions 3.75 and 3.81).

The boot process drops to the "boot:" prompt with an error message:

  could not find kernel image: linux

The same USB stick boots fine on any other computer I could find.
Does it seem like a syslinux bug?  And if turns out to be a known BIOS
bug, is there a good workaround?

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H. Peter Anvin | 1 Jun 08:39 2009

Re: Unbootable machine

Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> Hello Peter & Jeremy,
> 
> I've found an ordinary desktop PC (with Phoenix Award BIOS 6.00PG) that
> won't boot off a USB stick created by livecd-tools-024 with syslinux
> (tested both versions 3.75 and 3.81).
> 
> The boot process drops to the "boot:" prompt with an error message:
> 
>   could not find kernel image: linux
> 
> The same USB stick boots fine on any other computer I could find.
> Does it seem like a syslinux bug?  And if turns out to be a known BIOS
> bug, is there a good workaround?
> 

I need much more details; *all* Award BIOSes make in the past 10-12
years have version number 6.00PG.

Also look for how you have configured your BIOS... some Award BIOSes
have USB-ZIP, USB-HDD, USB-FDD configurations; you generally want USB-HDD.

There are some BIOSes which will boot from USB *only* if it was
formatted with 64 heads, 32 sectors; apparently due to some odd notion
that only zipdrives would be USB.

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Richard W.M. Jones | 1 Jun 10:53 2009
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Fedora bittorrent tracker?


Do we offer a bittorrent tracker that FAS / fp.org users can use to
host their own bittorrent content?

(Obviously it'll be Fedora/free software-related content)

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Roberto Ragusa | 1 Jun 10:54 2009
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Re: RPM Soft dependencies (Was: Re: Agenda for the 2009-05-26 Packaging Committee meeting)

Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
> 
> Of course, it can't know why you installed them or even if something
> outside of its scope (e.g. a program you compiled manually) still
> needs one of those.

IMHHHO, this is the first thing to address to get a reasonable behavior.

Every installed rpm on the system should be marked with a
bit "wanted by the user".

Current systems just need a way to manually flag the packages
already installed.
I need firefox, not glibc, not libjpg. If I remove firefox and
thunderbird and all the other stuff, libjpg can be removed too,
from the point of view of the user.

It is somewhat annoying when one installs a package which drags
10 dependencies, then removes the package and there is no
easy way to cleanup all the libs and additional stuff.

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Ricky Zhou | 1 Jun 11:00 2009

Re: Fedora bittorrent tracker?

On 2009-06-01 09:53:47 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> Do we offer a bittorrent tracker that FAS / fp.org users can use to
> host their own bittorrent content?
> 
> (Obviously it'll be Fedora/free software-related content)
You can always make a request to Infrastructure at
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/.  We've hosted some
Fedora-related things there before.  No idea if we have any sort of
policy on what goes there though.  It'll probably depend on how much
space we have and how long it needs to be there for, etc.

Thanks,
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Mathieu Bridon (bochecha | 1 Jun 11:38 2009

Re: RPM Soft dependencies (Was: Re: Agenda for the 2009-05-26 Packaging Committee meeting)

> It is somewhat annoying when one installs a package which drags
> 10 dependencies, then removes the package and there is no
> easy way to cleanup all the libs and additional stuff.

Actually, there are two:
- package-cleanup that I mentioned
- yum-plugin-remove-with-leaves that Seth mentioned which is even easier

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Max Spevack | 1 Jun 12:04 2009
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Re: Why not to create Fedora-us and Fedora-non-us branches?

On Sun, 31 May 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> I don't see it recorded in
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Trademark_licensees
>
> It doesn't fit the trademark guidelines either. While Red Hat can 
> legally grant a license to anyone and doesn't have to abide by the 
> guidelines, I would expect it to do so nevertheless. So why a special 
> exception for "Russian Fedora"?

There shouldn't be a special case, and it's possible that Red Hat's 
distributor in Russia may have granted some sort of permision that (a) 
it shouldn't have, and (b) it didn't even have the authority to grant.

The Russian-specific portions of this thread seem to have moved over 
here, where I responded to a similar thread.

http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-June/msg00000.html

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